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TUAM childrens home, time to remove the Catholic church from existence

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  • 05-06-2014 2:38pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭


    Today it was announced that there maybe at least 3 or 4 other similar mass children's graves.

    Sean Ross Abbey in Tipperary was another: in the first year after it opened in 1930, 60 babies died out of a total of 120. Those who survived, meanwhile, were often sold abroad to childless couples.

    Mary Lou McDonald SF said that similar graves could exist at “dozens” of mother and baby homes across the country. “As shocking as Tuam has been – and it is very, very harrowing – it’s not an isolated incident at all.

    Gerry Adams noted that the “vast majority of people didn’t know” what went on these homes, adding that “the church hierarchy wasn’t about liberation of souls – it was about control, about power”.


    Its disgraceful to think that aside from the fact


    "The Republic of Ireland has already published four major investigations into child abuse and its cover-up in Catholic parishes"

    They are still controlling our primary schools, they are allowed to hold society back. I have a post on their earlier intervention in the medical sector, and how it affected our development as a nation.

    Then we see Bullsh1t like this

    Archbishop of Tuam has told Bon Secours nuns that they have a moral obligation to engage WTF

    Here is what the church previously said in the abortion arguments

    Ireland's Catholic Archbishops have warned that legislating for abortion would pave the way for "the direct and intentional killing of unborn children".

    " the lives of untold numbers of unborn children now depend on the choices that will be made by public representatives."

    “It would pave the way for the direct and intentional killing of unborn children. This can never be morally justified in any circumstances.”They said to legislate on the basis of such a flawed judgement would be both tragic and unnecessary.


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1218/arc...-abortion.html

    So these lying murderers

    Records indicate that the former Tuam workhouse's septic tank was converted specifically to serve as the body disposal site for the orphanage.

    bones were first found in 1975 when cement covering the tank was pulled away.

    Stories appearing all over the world now

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/tuam-mother-and-baby-home-is-a-scandal-of-church-and-state-271013.html

    The Taoiseach must launch a full-scale national inquiry, writes Susan Lohan with regard to the disappearance, death, and dumping of 800 infants and children ... and for every other mass grave on or near the grounds of every other former mother-and-baby home throughout Ireland.

    the Taoiseach should, without delay, declare the Government’s intentions on the scope, speed, and plan of analysis for a full-scale national inquiry

    At worst, we may be viewing systemic instances of infanticide and/or neglect not just at one such home but repeated throughout others,

    The main concern of the Catholic Church’s hierarchy was at all costs to prevent the emigration of these women and girls to England where their children might be adopted into protestant homes

    The majority of the inmates of these wretched homes recall a harsh, cruel, punitive, dehumanising regime where they were stripped of their clothes, names, identities, self-esteem and self-determination.

    the nuns tendered for the business of running these homes and received very generous government funding, equivalent to the average industrial wage, for each mother and child in their so-called care.

    In addition, they profited handsomely from the forced adoptions they transacted, which saw 97% of all non-marital children taken for adoption in 1967.

    Catherine Corless also found evidence of older children in the Tuam home dying from entirely preventable infections.

    and suspicions arise in relation to at least three other large mother-and-baby homes, where mortality rates topped 56%, when the national average for marital children only reached 15%.

    Once again, the world watches on with incredulity to hear that several Irish government ministers, have known of these mass graves, have known of the brutal circumstances of the deaths of those dumped in pits rather than interred in proper graves for some time, and yet once again the regime can find no words of horror, remorse, compassion, or explanation, and worse, seem intent on minimising any investigation to the status of an “interdepartmental inquiry”, ie a superficial slew of imprecise reports.

    The news that the gardaí, without any exhumation of the bones, without any forensic analysis, have baldly declared that they do not intend to carry out any investigation


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,922 ✭✭✭paulbok


    That's a bold statement


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,517 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    And since the Irish state was implicit in this setup should it also be removed from existence..
    How about the whole swathes of Irish citizens that knew full well the treatment these girls and their children were getting...how do we address them ?

    This was a far wider breakdown of society to allow this happen than just blaming the Church alone..


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,526 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    _Brian wrote: »
    And since the Irish state was implicit in this setup should it also be removed from existence..
    How about the whole swathes of Irish citizens that knew full well the treatment these girls and their children were getting...how do we address them ?

    This was a far wider breakdown of society to allow this happen than just blaming the Church alone..


    Absolutely.

    I recall seeing an interview with grown men who'd been in Artane as boys in the 1950s; as kids they'd go on 'outings' from the industrial school and the local kids would throw stones at them, call then names. When they left the school they found it difficult to find work, girls wouldnt go near them etc....

    I'm no defender of the church but scapegoating can be an easy way out.

    OP how about you look at your parents and grandparents and ask what role they played in all of this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 303 ✭✭rotun


    _Brian wrote: »
    And since the Irish state was implicit in this setup should it also be removed from existence...

    Starting to look like that alright. Horrible culture of not wanting to be the one to rock the boat in this country.

    I had a customer defending the intentions of the various religious orders over the years.

    Sickened me to my stomach to listen to her.



    If we as a nation are serious about protecting the vulnerable, then the full weight of the law should come down on the orders. At the moment there's a tank with 800 bodies that has still not been declared a crime scene.

    I give up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,517 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    The thing people don't want to face up to is that all levels of society allowed this and other atrocities by the church to go on.
    Regarding one convicted priest locally. People knew not to let their children near him. Teachers would insist on being between him and children all te time. Shop keepers refused to sell him sweets as they knew why he wanted them. Garda would hear nothing about it. This was a full section of society complicit in the whole thing.

    Regarding the mother and baby homes. The average citizen was happy to offload their disgraced children and never cared to question where their grandchildren were not what happened them. The state were paying out on the head if every baby, yet seemed not to notice that so many were disappearig without being adopted.
    This was complete society breakdown.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭sarkozy


    _Brian wrote: »
    And since the Irish state was implicit in this setup should it also be removed from existence..
    How about the whole swathes of Irish citizens that knew full well the treatment these girls and their children were getting...how do we address them ?

    This was a far wider breakdown of society to allow this happen than just blaming the Church alone..
    We cannot excuse the Catholic Church for this by pointing to the the culpability of others.

    We know the Church and State have been complicit in the many atrocities that have come to light in recent years. But blame must be apportioned. And the largest part of that blame lies immediately each of the Orders and, as a centralised, hierarchical organisation, ultimately with Rome and with the Pope as 'God's accounting officer'.

    When the Reformation occurred, it was in significant part a protest by clergymen against the economic, political and moral corruption of the Catholic church.

    The same nexus of economic, political and moral corruption is with us again and I, for one, as a lapsed Catholic and atheist believe it's time for the Catholic church to disband.

    However, I'm not naive to think that this will happen. Catholicism is deeply rooted in many cultures throughout the world. Institutions, populated by people with self-interest, are obsessed with self-preservation. They fear losing power. The Catholic Church deserves to lose power, but to create a vacuum of this magnitude could be very damaging, too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Mod

    There is already a thread on the matter here Please try and post details in that thread and read the mod warnings before posting.


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