Please ask Senators today to reject religious job discrimination this Wednesday

Peregrinus · 19-06-2015 3:46am

expectationlost wrote: »

so why is the Minister of Eucation replying to this bill, if its dept of justice and equality issue? because Labour wants to keep ownership of this issue while FG ain't so keen.

It could be that. Or it could be something mundane, like Frances had another commitment that day. Responding to private member's bills isn't the first priorty for most ministers.

(And, now that I look, I see that the Garda Siochana (Policing Authority and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill was in Committee in the Dail on the same day that this debate took place. That would be Frances's baby, wouldn't it? And she'd be expected to take part in that debate in priority to this one.)

expectationlost wrote: »

They were suggesting that they would continue on with bacik's bill, although im not sure that will happen

You doubt their word? You cynic, you!

Michael Nugent · 19-06-2015 11:10am

expectationlost wrote: »

they were suggesting that they would continue on with bacik's bill, although im not sure that will happen

I suspect that they will do this, although that Bill retains the right to discriminate on the ground of religion against atheist employees, as long as you don't also discriminate on other grounds against, for example, LGBT employees.

expectationlost · 19-06-2015 2:59pm

Michael Nugent wrote: »

I suspect that they will do this, although that Bill retains the right to discriminate on the ground of religion against atheist employees, as long as you don't also discriminate on other grounds against, for example, LGBT employees.

in relation to the Ministers comments on the need for referendum to really change this, isn't looking at rule 68 and the Rules for National Schools, the first thing you'd do. There hasn't been mentioned of that recently by anyone.

expectationlost · 19-06-2015 3:00pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

It could be that. Or it could be something mundane, like Frances had another commitment that day. Responding to private member's bills isn't the first priorty for most ministers.

O'Sullivan is a minister too!

Michael Nugent · 19-06-2015 3:56pm

expectationlost wrote: »

in relation to the Ministers comments on the need for referendum to really change this, isn't looking at rule 68 and the Rules for National Schools, the first thing you'd do. There hasn't been mentioned of that recently by anyone.

Atheist Ireland is consistently raising Rule 68, most recently last week in geneva at the UN Committee on ESC Rights.

But removing Rule 68, while essential, is only part of the job.

Even without Rule 68, Section 15 of the Education Act obliges boards of management to uphold the characteristic spirit of the patron.

And that brings us back into the Government’s insistence that we have to be constitutionally cautious in addressing these issues.

.

expectationlost · 19-06-2015 4:26pm

Education Act, 1998 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1998/en/act/pub/0051/sec0015.html )

Functions of a board.

15.—(1) It shall be the duty of a board to manage the school on behalf of the patron and for the benefit of the students and their parents and to provide or cause to be provided an appropriate education for each student at the school for which that board has responsibility.

(2) A board shall perform the functions conferred on it and on a school by this Act and in carrying out its functions the board shall—

(a) do so in accordance with the policies determined by the Minister from time to time, (b) uphold, and be accountable to the patron for so upholding, the characteristic spirit of the school as determined by the cultural, educational, moral, religious, social, linguistic and spiritual values and traditions which inform and are characteristic of the objectives and conduct of the school, and at all times act in accordance with any Act of the Oireachtas or instrument made thereunder, deed, charter, articles of management or other such instrument relating to the establishment or operation of the school,

(c) consult with and keep the patron informed of decisions and proposals of the board,

(d) publish, in such manner as the board with the agreement of the patron considers appropriate, the policy of the school concerning admission to and participation in the school, including the policy of the school relating to the expulsion and suspension of students and admission to and participation by students with disabilities or who have other special educational needs, and ensure that as regards that policy principles of equality and the right of parents to send their children to a school of the parents’ choice are respected and such directions as may be made from time to time by the Minister, having regard to the characteristic spirit of the school and the constitutional rights of all persons concerned, are complied with,

(e) have regard to the principles and requirements of a democratic society and have respect and promote respect for the diversity of values, beliefs, traditions, languages and ways of life in society,

(f) have regard to the efficient use of resources (and, in particular, the efficient use of grants provided under section 12 ), the public interest in the affairs of the school and accountability to students, their parents, the patron, staff and the community served by the school, and

(g) use the resources provided to the school from monies provided by the Oireachtas to make reasonable provision and accommodation for students with a disability or other special educational needs, including, where necessary, alteration of buildings and provision of appropriate equipment.

(3) For the avoidance of doubt, nothing in this Act shall confer or be deemed to confer on the board any right over or interest in the land and buildings of the school for which that board is responsible.

expectationlost · 30-06-2015 10:16pm

gov bill has been given cabinet ok apparently

expectationlost · 02-07-2015 4:34pm

Labour Ministers announce action to remove discrimination against LGBT teachers http://www.labour.ie/press/2015/07/02/labour-ministers-announce-action-to-remove-discrim/ while still having to pretend they are religious which actually if they are gay probably goes against the religion anyway (there stuff in press release abt rent supplement wtf?)

no sign of of (new) amendments http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=23053&&CatID=59&StartDate=01%20January%202013&OrderAscending=0

Minister Ó Ríordáin will debate this legislation in Seanad Éireann at 3pm this afternoon.
http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/seanad2015070200002?opendocument#G00100 transcript not up yet but you can watch the debate at https://oireachtas.heanet.ie/mp4/seanad/

https://oireachtas.heanet.ie/mp4/seanad/seanad_20150702T092959.000004.mp4
https://oireachtas.heanet.ie/mp4/seanad/seanad_20150702T092959.000005.mp4

amendments and committee stage in days he said

Hotblack Desiato · 02-07-2015 10:26pm

expectationlost wrote: »

Labour Ministers announce action to remove discrimination against LGBT teachers while still having to pretend they are religious

you really couldn't make this up. It's beyond daft.

expectationlost · 03-07-2015 2:15am

Atheist Ireland remind us of the programme for government http://atheist.ie/2015/07/labour-party-forgets-pledge/

“People of non-faith or minority religious backgrounds and publicly identified LGBT people should not be deterred from training or taking up employment as teachers in the State.” – Page 13, Programme for Government 2011

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Work_Of_The_Department/Programme_for_Government/Programme_for_Government_2011-2016.pdf

which labour wants to leave out

expectationlost · 03-07-2015 3:56pm

transcript here now http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/seanad2015070200002?opendocument#CC00100

summary https://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/an-irish-dont-ask-dont-tell-but-not-tell-what-exactly/#comment-485643

expectationlost · 03-07-2015 5:40pm

Thursday 9 July 2015 3.00 p.m.

Employment Equality (Amendment) (No 2) Bill 2013 – Report and Final Stages - Private Members Bill

SpaceTime · 04-07-2015 12:55pm

Principal's greeting:

Welcome to school in Ireland where the local time is 9:00am in the "year of our Lord" 1815.

Now young Mr Heathen, Sister Assumpta will get you your "colouring with Jesus" book and you can go down the back with the other weirdos and misfits who we begrudgingly let into *our* "public" school system.

Incidentally, attendance is compulsory on pain of prosecution of your parents.

There's one of those weirdo schools located conveniently 120km away, so don't go moaning to those awful UN busybodies about having no choice! Sure didn't the good Lord give us cars!

Mrs McAthiest (recently married but the less said about that the better) will instruct you on how to be "Catholic acting" she has a lifetime of experience pretending to be straight, so she knows all about social conformity and keeping your head down!

Now before we begin, let us pray...

expectationlost · 07-07-2015 4:49pm

gov amendments http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=29343&CatID=89

understand all that?

Amendment of section 37(1) of Act of 1998
2. Section 37 of the Act of 1998 is amended—
(a) in subsection (1), by the substitution of “Subject to subsections (1A) and (1B), a
religious, educational or medical institution” for “A religious, educational or
medical institution”, and
(b) by the insertion of the following subsections after subsection (1):
“(1A) Where an educational or medical institution referred to in subsection
(1) is maintained, in whole or in part, by monies provided by the
Oireachtas, more favourable treatment on the religion ground referred
to in paragraph (a) of that subsection shall be taken to be
discrimination unless—
(a) that treatment does not constitute discrimination on any of the other
discriminatory grounds, and
(b) by reason of the nature of the institution’s activities or the context
in which the activities are being carried out, the religion or belief of
the employee or prospective employee constitutes a genuine,
legitimate and justified occupational requirement having regard to
the institution’s ethos.
(1B) Where an educational or medical institution referred to in subsection
(1) is maintained, in whole or in part, by monies provided by the
Oireachtas, action of the type referred to in paragraph (b) of that
subsection shall be taken to be discrimination unless by reason of the
nature of the employment concerned or the context in which it is
carried out—
(a) the action is objectively justified by the institution’s aim of
preventing the undermining of the religious ethos of the institution,
and
(b) the means of achieving that aim are appropriate and necessary.
(1C) An action referred to in subsection (1B) shall not be objectively
justified in accordance with paragraph (a) of that subsection, or
appropriate and necessary in accordance with paragraph (b) of that
subsection, unless the action of the institution is—
(a) rationally and strictly related to the institution’s religious ethos,
(b) a response to conduct of the employee or prospective employee
undermining the religious ethos of the institution rather than a
response to that employee’s, or prospective employee’s, gender,
civil status, family status, sexual orientation, age, disability, race or
membership of the Traveller community, and
(c) proportionate to the conduct of the employee or prospective
employee, as the case may be, having due regard to—
(i) any other action the employer may take in the circumstances,
(ii) the consequences of that action for that employee or prospective
employee, and
(iii) the actual damage caused to the religious ethos of the institution
by the conduct of that employee or prospective employee.”.”.

other amendments
http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/amendments/2015/b2313s-sr2.pdf

“Amendment of section 37(1) of Act of 1998
2. Section 37(1) (amended by section 25 of the Act of 2004) of the Act of 1998 is amended
by the deletion of paragraph (b).”.
—Senators Katherine Zappone, Jillian Van Turnhout.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1998/en/act/pub/0021/sec0037.html#sec37 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2004/en/act/pub/0024/sec0025.html

Hotblack Desiato · 07-07-2015 9:41pm

(b) a response to conduct of the employee or prospective employee
undermining the religious ethos of the institution rather than a
response to that employee’s, or prospective employee’s, gender,
civil status, family status, sexual orientation, age, disability, race or
membership of the Traveller community, and

Note that of the grounds of discrimination prohibited by law, the employee's religion is the ONLY one which is not mentioned.

So it appears a religious institution can still insist on hiring people of a particular religion, even if paid by state funds, and even if membership of that particular religion is in no way a requirement of the job. An employee who loses or changes their religion is not protected even if it is in no way a requirement of the job.

I think.... :rolleyes:

What a dog's breakfast.

recedite · 07-07-2015 10:51pm

However, if the State is the employer of the teacher, none of the above legislation can apply.
It would be repugnant to the Constitution, which requires the State to treat all citizens equally.
Therefore, it can only apply to teaching posts in privately funded schools, and should be amended to clarify that.

SpaceTime · 08-07-2015 12:44am

Through some slight of hand teachers are treated as second class citizens compared to state employees.

Their unions are extremely weak on this issue.

expectationlost · 08-07-2015 2:41am

Employment Equality (Amendment) Bill 2015: Second Stage [Private Members] http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/Debates%20Authoring/DebatesWebPack.nsf/takes/dail2015061600043?opendocument

I am pleased that the Bill has the support of a wide number of groups, including the Gay and Lesbian Equality Network, the ASTI, the INTO, the TUI, Atheist Ireland, LGBT Noise and ICTU Youth.

Hotblack Desiato · 08-07-2015 10:25am

SpaceTime wrote: »

Through some slight of hand teachers are treated as second class citizens compared to state employees.

They are allowed enter politics though and even have their old job held open for them. This is how we end up with teachers running the health service, teachers running the ministry for finance and teachers being Taoiseach.

SpaceTime · 08-07-2015 10:28am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

They are allowed enter politics though and even have their old job held open for them. This is how we end up with teachers running the health service, teachers running the ministry for finance and teachers being Taoiseach.

I agree, it's an utterly ridiculous situation. No other job allows that.

It makes the fact that their colleagues are discriminated against by law even more inexcusable too. They're not politically powerless, they chose not to protect their colleagues.

When you think about it, teachers have one of the most religious and most conservative educations and workplaces in the state. It's no wonder injecting more of them into politics has resulted in social conservatism:

Primary teachers for example mostly never worked or studied in a normal, secular environment.

8 years catholic primary school
6 years Catholic secondary school
4 years Catholic teacher training college
Rest of working life : Catholic school

They're one step away from being nuns or Christian brothers really.

Hotblack Desiato · 08-07-2015 10:44am

It's been discussed in this forum before, there are several reasons why teachers are much more likely to be both more religious and more socially conservative than the average Irish person -

- They know going in that teaching religion as fact to kids aged 4 and up is an essential part of the job in 98% of primary schools. Those who have a difficulty with this (and any thinking person really, really should) will choose other careers

- Until very recently all teacher training colleges were run by religious orders (and the one that wasn't had a bizarre RE curriculum drawn up by Vincent Twomey SJ which taught as fact that atheism was responsible for all the worst horrors of the world)

- Teachers can go from RC primary to RC secondary to RC order-run teacher training college and then teach in RC school without ever hearing a single critique of religion or a dissenting opinion. This would be impossible if teacher training were in secular universities and they would mix with students and staff from other backgrounds

- Requirement to teach Irish favours rural dwellers and gaelscoil graduates who are more religiously conservative than average, as far as I am aware all gaelscoils are either explicitly RC patronage or are 'multi-denominational' (country AND western) with a strong RC influence. Multi-denominational as in they let protestants in and acknowledge their existence, not multi-d in the ET sense at all.

(ah I wouldn't have bothered typing up all that if I'd seen your edit, SpaceTime

)

PopePalpatine · 08-07-2015 1:09pm

I'm just wondering, is there any proof that Gaelgoirs and Gaeltacht residents are more conservative than those with English as their mother tongue who come from outside the Gaeltacht?

lazygal · 08-07-2015 1:23pm

I don't know about the people specifically, but anecdotally the gaelscoils nearest to us are far, far more conservative than the other schools, even the religious ones. There's a lot more 'screening' of applicants and indoctrination takes place in a far more dogmatic manner than the closest catholic school, making it a very unwelcome place for non catholics.

Hotblack Desiato · 08-07-2015 1:43pm

I'm aware of only one ET in Dublin which teaches through Irish, and that's for only one of its classes and only for the first two years (i.e. your child can still do junior and senior infants through English in that school if you want)

Are there any gaelscoils at all in the country with a true multi-denominational ethos similar to ET?

lazygal · 08-07-2015 1:48pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I'm aware of only one ET in Dublin which teaches through Irish, and that's for only one of its classes and only for the first two years (i.e. your child can still do junior and senior infants through English in that school if you want)

Are there any gaelscoils at all in the country with a true multi-denominational ethos similar to ET?

As is the case with many schools, they claim to be inter-denominational, ie they're good enough to let the Prods and maybe others in, as long as you keep in line. Of course, again like many schools a particularly dogmatic teacher and/or principal can have the most influence on how indoctrination is handled.

partyguinness · 08-07-2015 1:54pm

I am an atheist, but I still respect the right of religious organizations to employ within organisations on the basis on religious beliefs.

My aim is remove religion and denominations from schools and hospitals in the first instance.

lazygal · 08-07-2015 1:56pm

partyguinness wrote: »

I am an atheist, but I still respect the right of religious organizations to employ within organisations on the basis on religious beliefs.

My aim is remove religion and denominations from schools and hospitals in the first instance.

They can employ whoever they like, as long as the state isn't paying for it.

mcmoustache · 08-07-2015 6:42pm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I'm just wondering, is there any proof that Gaelgoirs and Gaeltacht residents are more conservative than those with English as their mother tongue who come from outside the Gaeltacht?

I don't know if there is definitive proof but, as an anecdote, during the marriage referendum there was quite a difference between galway west and galway east:

From here...

thejournal wrote:

Galway East Yes 53.3% No 46.7%
Galway West Yes 61.5% No 38.5%

My own constituency of An Cheathrú Rua voted 66% in favour.

Maybe there is a perception out there that people from Gaeltachts are backwards but I think that it might be a bit misguided.

Zamboni · 08-07-2015 8:25pm

lazygal wrote: »

They can employ whoever they like, as long as the state isn't paying for it.

Absolutely agree!

Apogee · 11-07-2015 1:13pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

- Requirement to teach Irish favours rural dwellers and gaelscoil graduates who are more religiously conservative than average, as far as I am aware all gaelscoils are either explicitly RC patronage or are 'multi-denominational' (country AND western) with a strong RC influence. Multi-denominational as in they let protestants in and acknowledge their existence, not multi-d in the ET sense at all.

Gaelcholáiste Chiarraí and Coláiste Pobail Osraí are non-denominational.

recedite · 11-07-2015 1:35pm

When you say non-denominational, does that mean they would employ a school chaplain and a religion teacher who were atheist, and had never received any training or approval from the usual RCC approved training facilities?

Hotblack Desiato · 11-07-2015 1:45pm

There are no non-denominational publicly funded schools in Ireland.

Zamboni · 11-07-2015 1:49pm

Apogee wrote: »

Gaelcholáiste Chiarraí and Coláiste Pobail Osraí are non-denominational.

You mean the one with St' Brigid's cross in their school crest?

http://www.gcchiarrai.ie/

Michael Nugent · 11-07-2015 9:48pm

lazygal wrote: »

They can employ whoever they like, as long as the state isn't paying for it.

Well, that sounds unobjectionable, but we don't give private organisations that freedom in other areas of discrimination law.

For example, we don't say that a business can refuse to employ black people, or women, as long as the state isn't paying for it.

Religions should have an exemption for posts where the belief or gender is essential to the carrying out of a particular post within the ethos of the religion (for example, that a priest must be male and Catholic), but they shouldn't have a blanket exemption from equality laws that the private bodies have to adhere to.

Michael Nugent · 11-07-2015 9:51pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

There are no non-denominational publicly funded schools in Ireland.

This is correct.

There are denominational schools, and multi denominational schools, but no non-denominational schools.

All national schools are legally obliged to adhere to rule 68 of the rules for national schools, which states:

"Of all the parts of a school curriculum Religious Instruction is by far the most important, as its subject-matter, God's honour and service, includes the proper use of all man's faculties, and affords the most powerful inducements to their proper use. Religious Instruction is, therefore, a fundamental part of the school course, and a religious spirit should inform and vivify the whole work of the school.

The teacher should constantly inculcate the practice of charity, justice, truth, purity, patience, temperance, obedience to lawful authority, and all the other moral virtues. In this way he will fulfil the primary duty of an educator, the moulding to perfect form of his pupils' character, habituating them to observe, in their relations with God and with their neighbour, the laws which God, both directly through the dictates of natural reason and through Revelation, and indirectly through the ordinance of lawful authority, imposes on mankind."

expectationlost · 11-07-2015 10:25pm

Apogee wrote: »

Gaelcholáiste Chiarraí and Coláiste Pobail Osraí are non-denominational.

Mission Statement / Mission Statement

Learning community Ossory Community College is seeking a quality education through Irish to achieve in the context that fosters confidence and mutual respect. The educational challenge is to be supportive in encouraging all talents of the students. In Ossory Community College instils pride in the Irish identity between sport and music and other together with respect for the richness of language and traditional culture. Recognized dignity and role of each person in the context of the educational phairtinéireachais. Attention is drawn to the spiritual, interpersonal and communication skills in a positive atmosphere open. Léititear pride are encouraged and all school activities.
http://osrai.ie/raiteas-misean-mission-statement/

INTER DENOMINATIONAL
http://www.education.ie/en/find-a-school/School-Detail/?roll=70641K

"Kerry Gaelcholáiste is a non denominational School" https://translate.google.ie/translate?hl=en&sl=ga&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gcchiarrai.ie%2Fpage.asp%3Fid%3D139

INTER DENOMINATIONAL
http://www.education.ie/en/find-a-school/School-Detail/?roll=70560K

lazygal · 11-07-2015 11:00pm

Apogee wrote: »

Gaelcholáiste Chiarraí and Coláiste Pobail Osraí are non-denominational.

Nope, there are no non denominational schools in receipt of public funding in Ireland. People have ideas that admittance and tolerance of non Christian children is non denominational but it isn't.

recedite · 18-07-2015 7:05pm

expectationlost wrote: »

"Kerry Gaelcholáiste is a non denominational School" https://translate.google.ie/translate?hl=en&sl=ga&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gcchiarrai.ie%2Fpage.asp%3Fid%3D139

Not sure whether that was wrong in its original form, or went wrong in the google translation. But either way, its wrong.

SpaceTime · 20-07-2015 11:21am

Apogee wrote: »

Gaelcholáiste Chiarraí and Coláiste Pobail Osraí are non-denominational.

From their website:

http://www.gcchiarrai.ie/page.asp?id=139

"Gaelcholáiste Chiarraí operates under the auspices of Kerry Education and Training Board. It has a Board of Management which consists of representatives of parents, teachers,the churches and Irish language arganisations, and members nominated by Kerry Education and Training Board. Gaelcholáiste Chiarraí is a non denominational school"

robindch · 20-07-2015 11:37am

SpaceTime wrote: »

[...] Irish language arganisations [...]

Love the phonetic spelling

recedite · 20-07-2015 11:53pm

OK, so it was a false claim all along.
Google is vindicated!

Kerry Gaelscoil spouts nonsense :mad:

SpaceTime · 21-07-2015 2:01am

robindch wrote: »

Love the phonetic spelling

Direct cut and paste. Not my spelling!

Jane Donnelly · 21-07-2015 9:22am

All ETB/VEC schools and colleges at Second Level are obliged to have religious instruction.

Community schools under the Deeds of Trust
Designated Community Colleges under the Model Agreement
Non Designated Community Colleges under Circular Letter 73/74

This religious instruction is (in the vast majority of cases) Catholic. There are some Protestant Community Schools.

A few years ago the Dept of Education referred to these schools and colleges as Interdenominational. They had that up on their website. That is now gone and they don't refer to their category anymore.

The terms, Interdenominational, multi-denominational and non-denominational are not legally defined. Schools can and do refer to themselves as any of these terms. I've seen a Catholic school refer to itself as multi-denominational because it has a few students from other denominations in the school.

robdonn · 22-07-2015 1:24pm

Jane Donnelly wrote: »

A few years ago the Dept of Education referred to these schools and colleges as Interdenominational. They had that up on their website. That is now gone and they don't refer to their category anymore.

The terms, Interdenominational, multi-denominational and non-denominational are not legally defined. Schools can and do refer to themselves as any of these terms. I've seen a Catholic school refer to itself as multi-denominational because it has a few students from other denominations in the school.

I went to a non-denominational private secondary school, but found out from the business teacher that the school was actually registered as a protestant school for tax reasons. No idea if that was true or not though.

expectationlost · 17-11-2015 7:44pm

labour congratulating itself Jan O'Sullivan Verified account ‏@JanOSullivanTD 7m7 minutes ago

Jan O'Sullivan Retweeted Aodhán Ó Ríordáin TD

Delighted to be working with @AodhanORiordain to deliver reform of #Section37

while forgetting your commitment to people of non-faith as was in PFG http://www.per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/ProgrammeforGovernmentFinal.pdf

http://labour.revolutionaries.ie/press/2015/07/02/labour-ministers-announce-action-to-remove-discrim/

Orion · 18-11-2015 11:48am

Jane Donnelly wrote: »

All ETB/VEC schools and colleges at Second Level are obliged to have religious instruction.

Nope. They are required to have religious education as it is part of the Junior Cert syllabus.

Jane Donnelly wrote: »

A few years ago the Dept of Education referred to these schools and colleges as Interdenominational. They had that up on their website. That is now gone and they don't refer to their category anymore.

Yes they do.
e.g. http://www.education.ie/en/find-a-school/School-Detail/?roll=70700A
e.g. http://www.education.ie/en/find-a-school/School-Detail/?roll=91505T
This is just for Interdenominational in Kildare:
http://www.education.ie/en/Find-a-School/School-Search-Results/?level=Post%20Primary&geo=Kildare&ethos=Inter%20Denominational&lang=-1&gender=-1

The terms, Interdenominational, multi-denominational and non-denominational are not legally defined. Schools can and do refer to themselves as any of these terms. I've seen a Catholic school refer to itself as multi-denominational because it has a few students from other denominations in the school.

A school can call itself what it wants but it's designation from the DES is what counts. There are no state funded non-denominational schools in Ireland. Primary schools can be multi and secondary inter or multi. These terms are defined in the patronage legislation.

expectationlost · 27-11-2015 8:11pm

Equality (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2013 (Changed from Employment Equality (Amendment)(No.2) Bill 2013 [Seanad] [PMB])
http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/bills28/bills/2013/2313/document1.htm
Second Stage
18/11/2015 http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2015111800054?opendocument#CCC00250
18/11/2015 (Resumed) http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2015111800068?opendocument#RRR00200
19/11/2015 (Resumed) http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2015111900033?opendocument#FF00700
24th https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2015-11-26a.109&s=Equality+%28Miscellaneous+Provisions%29+Bill+2013

many issues raised while Labour plows on smuggly

Please ask Senators today to reject religious job discrimination this Wednesday

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