Men's Rights Ireland

KyussBishop wrote: »

..I also found this interesting RationalWiki page, which gives what seems to be an accurate (from my limited experience with mens rights folk thus far) overview/cross-section, of the different groups within the mens rights movement:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_movement#Equal_rights_vs._sexism

So you complain about some MRA sites/posters being full of generalisations, unsubstantiated claims and lacking statistics. Then you post a link to an article that's absolutley dripping with generalisations, unsupported claims and general misandry and hatred. Here's a few gems from that article.

The movement itself split into two groups: one that largely supported feminism, and one that was strongly anti-feminist. Both movements, but especially the latter — which is overtly misogynist

Critics of both camps of the movement liken it to reverse racism and argue that men who subscribe to the ideology are merely trying to hold on to privilege granted them by a long history of patriarchy

The term "movement" is itself challenged, since "men's movements" function more as a social salve,[3] rather than actually redressing inequality in the overall social structure.

There remain relatively few barriers to men's achievement in the world compared to women's, and few real areas where one can demonstrate a "lack of equality."

Men's rights activists have been criticized for privilege blindness and their tendency towards "mansplaining."

Frequently, MRA arguments rely on gross generalizations

Men's rights activists also have a reputation for palpable anger, based on their personal experiences of relationships, divorce, or the law. This stereotype is common to almost all fringe groups,

Feeding off each other, many internet men's rights groups have become cesspools of anti women tirades, name calling

More extreme MRA positions go so far as to claim that women are the cause of violence, are more often the perpetrators of violence in the home, and that men have to react violently in self-defense. The validity of these claims are discussed in detail below

I couldn't find where in the article these claims are further discussed. These claims just seemed to be rubbished as extreme.

iptba wrote: »

Launch of Men’s Rights Ireland

Excellent news, though it would be good if we could consolidate into a few stronger campaigns.

Men in Ireland have many issues to campaign on, most of them caused by the current strain of extreme and misandrous feminism.

1. Ending domestic violence against men

40% of all domestic violence is against men and the media campaigns totally and comprehensively ignore these, while demonising men as if they are the SOLE perpetrators - for example the vomit inducing "Manup campaign"

2. Stopping male suicide

Men are three times more likely to commit suicide and more than 10 men kill themselves every day in the UK. An issue that is ignored most of the time in favour of feminist issues.

3. Equal rights for dads

Fathers are routinely treated like disposable garbage in the courts.

4. Giving boys a better education

Boys are being marginalised and feminised in school. Nearly one in five boys is being taught in a primary school without a single male teacher on the staff. Many go through an entire education without being taught by a male teacher. Female behavioural standards are being imposed on boys, who are being disciplined and bullied by the teachers for simply behaving like boys. Female teachers are under marking boys in tests because they are shaping their classes and tests to suit a female centric environment.

5. Tackling negative portrayals of men in the media and promoting male role models.
Men are constantly being ridiculed across the media and especially in marketing.

6. Improving men’s health and life expectancy

Men of all backgrounds die on average 4 years younger than women with the gap between the poorest men and richest women rising to over 10 years. Men are less likely to access and benefit from health services. Men’s health researchers and campaigners say services need to change and become more male friendly if we are to tackle men’s health inequalities.

7. Tackling male disposability

The majority of homeless people, prisoners, children excluded from school, children put into foster care, unemployed people and isolated older people are men. More than 95% of people who die at work are men and the majority of soldiers killed in service are men. Some campaigners see this issue as a sign that we take men’s lives less seriously than women’s lives and conclude that men are treated as being more ‘disposable’. For some campaigners this perception of ‘male disposability’ is further exacerbated by the unequal number of schemes and initiatives that are focused on supporting and helping women.

8. Ending unnecessary male circumcision

Every year several unnecessary Male Circumcisions are being performed legally on boys in Ireland, often in non-medical settings without anaesthetic. This practice can and does cause death, disability, disease, pain and discomfort and physical damage.

9. Beating male cancer and tackling men’s cancer inequalities

Men are 70% more likely to die from the cancers that affect both sexes, less money is spent on researching male cancers, more than 90% of the people screened for cancer are women, and girls are now vaccinated against some cancers but boys are not. Campaigns to raise awareness of cancer and to raise funds are hugely biased against men and the real incidence of cancers between the genders.

10. Tackling male unemployment

Twice as many men are unemployed as women. yet no notice is being paid this as a gender issue.

11. Aggressive misandrous feminism.
When men campaign for their rights and for gender balance, the immediate result is a vicious attack by feminists who resent anyone else usurping their role as victims - exemplified by the immediate attack in this thread. The goals of modern misandrous feminism is not equality or balance, but preferential treatment and a preferential legal status.

jackofalltrades wrote: »

I don't think writing of that standard has any place in a rational discussion in this forum.

It would be nice to have a nice rational discussion wouldn't it. I wonder why extreme feminists feel so entitled to attack men and their issues. I suggest it says far more about them than anything about us.