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IRMA wants UPC and all other ISPs to block Pirate Bay….Plus 260 Additional Sites

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    #32
    Ben D Bus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    Sorry, I wasn't attacking p2p. I Was attacking theft using it or any other method.

    If someone makes something, a product, service or a piece of music, it it wrong to take or use it without their permission.

    That is my only opinion on this whole issue.


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    #33
    Ben D Bus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    Gosub wrote: »
    If you want to call me a thief, that's your right. Do it at the wrong time and place and it will be your right to feel my righteous indignation, if you know what I mean.

    Have you taken or used a piece of music without the permission of the owner?


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    #34
    Gosub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Gosub


    Ben D Bus wrote: »
    Have you taken or used a piece of music without the permission of the owner?
    I've used a lot of music over many years. I don't remember ever asking Mick Jagger, no. I'm sure I'd remember if I had to ask Elton for permission to use his music. I would have had to ask many times over.

    I know where you're going with the loaded questions, so please don't bother.


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    #35
    Ben D Bus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    Gosub wrote: »
    I've used a lot of music over many years. I don't remember ever asking Mick Jagger, no. I'm sure I'd remember if I had to ask Elton for permission to use his music. I would have had to ask many times over.

    I know where you're going with the loaded questions, so please don't bother.

    No loaded questions. Just a simple one. To which you gave a silly answer. If you don't want to answer that's up to you.


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    #36
    Gosub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Gosub


    Ben D Bus wrote: »
    No loaded questions. Just a simple one. To which you gave a silly answer. If you don't want to answer that's up to you.
    OK, no then.


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    #37
    Solair
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    I agree though, most people will opt for a legal alternative like Spotify or Deezer or whatever else if it's a good system.

    The majority of people don't want to download illegally, nor do they necessarily want to go through the hassle of doing it.

    With Spotify, you get high-quality content, for a reasonable price whenever you want it without any fuss.

    That's where the music and movie industry needs to go. All these law suits are not going to solve anything. It's like trying to stop a stampede with a few police officers.

    The business model no longer works, so they have to change it.

    I am also not convinced that record stores are closing because of piracy.

    People want digital music content for portable players like iPods etc. Not a lump of shiny plastic that they have to rip and then upload to their MP3 player.
    That's time-consuming and very inconvenient.

    Until very recently, Ireland has had very few legal alternatives other than iTunes. I'm delighted to see Spotify here at long last. More of that kind of thing will see less piracy.

    The movie industry has the ability to not release to DVD at all. They could just release to streaming services and cinemas, and then do the DVD release much later. That would kill piracy very fast.

    I've heard ridiculous arguments from various music industry lobbies, including that ISPs high speed products were only useful for pirating content and that they should be capped.

    The same lobbies tried to get FM radio banned in the 50s as they felt the high quality would cause a decrease in single / LP sales!


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    #38
    thebman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    I use Spotify myself, supports my own local content and I can stream other content I don't have through the client.

    The problem is the selection isn't as good as Youtube even for the genres I listen to. Hopefully it gets better with time but this the problem services like Spotify really have.

    People will always choose legal handy services like Spotify if they are available and just work but when they don't just work and you can't buy the music in a local shop or online then it severely limits what you can listen to. A lot of the music I listen to, you can only get directly from the artists website as it isn't available on Spotify or iTunes. You can usually get their most popular album or a few songs off compilation albums but not the more obscure albums.

    Bit of a pain.


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    #39
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,668 ✭✭✭flutered


    irishgeo wrote: »
    internet censorship here we come.

    not when one uses the tor browser.


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    #40
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,754 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    thebman wrote: »
    I use Spotify myself, supports my own local content and I can stream other content I don't have through the client.

    The problem is the selection isn't as good as Youtube even for the genres I listen to. Hopefully it gets better with time but this the problem services like Spotify really have.

    People will always choose legal handy services like Spotify if they are available and just work but when they don't just work and you can't buy the music in a local shop or online then it severely limits what you can listen to. A lot of the music I listen to, you can only get directly from the artists website as it isn't available on Spotify or iTunes. You can usually get their most popular album or a few songs off compilation albums but not the more obscure albums.

    Bit of a pain.
    try these which try to merge every source together http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2012/11/music-discovery-whyd-seevl-youtube-moodwall.html


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    #41
    Limestone1
    Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Limestone1


    Piratebay is down at the moment - any chance of a link to IRMA's list of 260 sites ????


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    #42
    [Deleted User]
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    Ben D Bus wrote: »
    If someone makes something, a product, service or a piece of music, it it wrong to take or use it without their permission.

    Wait so you actually think this extra money will go to the "artists?" Well you see Lets talk about permission ...

    So somebody makes a song sells the rights to a movie to use it in their sound track. Already this product has made thousands on this one sale and anybody who pays to see this movie has permission to listen to the song.

    They then get millions more offering their service to radio stations to play the song, so the radio station buys the song for anybody who has a radio giving them permission to listen to the song. In turn they make money from the advertisements. Which leads onto advertisements ......

    Advertisements who buy the song to help promote their product, so you get to hear the song on the radio on the tv and even on the adds.

    You got public premises who have to pay to play the song such as nightclubs and pubs

    They go on tour, playing the same song. People buy tickets to hear this song.


    So before anybody has spent 79c for this song. Potentially it has already made millions.


    Now the permission side of things ...

    I go to the movie and i hear the song.

    I buy a radio i hear the song

    I go to the gig i hear the song

    I go out for a night on the town i hear the song.

    The taxi home i hear the song.

    Im watching TV i hear the song.

    I think at this stage they have given me permission to hear the song on multiple occasions. Why do they want the extra money ?

    Because they are greedy effing Baxtards :P Fair enough if they were suffering but their not.


    Now the big question is, why is there priority give to change the laws of the country for an industry is not suffering in any way. When there other industries in the country suffer, home grown industries like the pub trade.Who are being held back by laws not allowing them to compete with supermarkets.


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    #43
    Solair
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    The Government would want to get its priorities straight here.

    Option 1: Cozy up to the rather very small Irish record industry which isn't worth all that much to the economy and make Ireland look extremely internet-unfriendly thus driving all sorts of cloud-based companies to think of perhaps locating elsewhere.

    or

    Option 2: Do not innovate at all in this area of law. Let other countries / the EU do that instead. Meanwhile, we retain our internet-friendly and welcoming vibe and the huge IT and online companies continue to see Ireland as a nice place to invest that isn't going to suddenly start requiring you to censor all your content at the behest of a movie industry.

    We get a LOT more jobs and money from the major IT companies than we do from the record labels.

    So, eh... lets perhaps think about doing anything rash!

    The same needs to be thought about very seriously when the politicians come out with suggestions of censoring / controlling social networks in a knee-jerk reaction to cyber bullying.

    Ireland is not in a position to innovate on this or scare off IT investors. Lots and lots of people's jobs depend on those companies being here!

    At the moment, Ireland needs EVERY job it can get. Scaring IT companies with prospects of censorship and driving cloud computing investments out of the country is one thing we absolutely cannot afford to do!

    Leave it to the US, France or the UK or whatever to come up with daft anti-internet laws.


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    #44
    jos22
    Registered Users Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭jos22


    Limestone1 wrote: »
    Piratebay is down at the moment - any chance of a link to IRMA's list of 260 sites ????


    they have Not disclosed the sites to the public yet. they prob hoped no one would find out


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    #45
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,484 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    jos22 wrote: »
    they have Not disclosed the sites to the public yet. they prob hoped no one would find out

    Hey, you never know, even boards.ie might well be on that list!!

    Seriously many companies have tried to sue and close down boards over the years, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they tried to include boards on this list. This is where this sort of censorship leads.


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    #46
    CptSternn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭CptSternn


    Ben D Bus wrote: »
    OK. So you undertake only to download music you have already paid for.

    And stuff from big nasty companies?

    Nothing from small labels or independents.

    Sure, I believe you.

    And what about other intellectual property? Film, software etc?

    As far as film goes, here is how I see it -

    We are all forced by law to pay for a TV license, whether we watch RTE or not. We do not have the option of leaving RTE off our package and avoiding the €160 a year we are forced to pay.

    2/3rds of the money RTE spend each year is on buying the rights from American media corporations so they can broadcast American movies and TV shows. That means we are basically paying for the right to watch American movies and TV already, €160 a year, more than we pay for a basic Sky package, more than we pay for the household charge, more than we will be paying in water charges.

    And for what? Movies that come on during hours we are working or are out?

    If I download a movie, I see no difference in that than I do recording the same movie off RTE on my digital DVR or Sky+. The end result is the same. I have already paid for the rights to that film, I have a recorded copy of it in the same manner, and I have been given the right to record and watch it whenever I choose, just like everyone else in Ireland who pays their TV license.

    As long as I am being forced by law to pay for the rights to watch movies, I have the right to own a copy of that movie in any form which I can obtain in a normal fashion without downloading. It doesn't matter if I got an AVI of a new movie by recording it off telly or if someone else recorded it and gave it to me, the end result is the same, I end up with the same digital file which I have every legal right to own. Just because I download it does not change the rights which I have already PAID FOR.

    Some might disagree, but sure, there is a reason no one in Ireland has ever been brought to court for downloading movies.


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    #47
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,261 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Any thread like this can't be complete with out the $8 billion Ipod and an understanding on RIAA math (sadly the politicans believe in this stuff).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0


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    #48
    Reamer Fanny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭Reamer Fanny


    VPN FTW!

    Fcuk the police!


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    #49
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,261 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    justryan wrote: »
    VPN FTW!

    Fcuk the police!
    Depends on how far they push it; VPN to get to a site? Sure, np. VPN the whole download of a legal ISO because torrents/<insert download method> are blocked by your ISP? Not so much fun...

    Forgot to add on a seperate note; the problem is not with these sites but where it goes next. See for example the Australian firewall against child porn (something we can all agree is seriously wrong) which ended up blocking a dentist clinic because their server had been hacked and had been used for storage years earlier etc. Good intentions and all that but the reality is that it never works as intended and has plenty of nasty side effects.


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    #50
    Cherrycoke
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Cherrycoke


    I recieved a registered letter from Eircom today saying that my broadband has been withdrawn for 7 days for using/sharing from these sites :( Bad Cherrycoke! I think I might just switch providers :/


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    #51
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    Cherrycoke wrote: »
    I recieved a registered letter from Eircom today saying that my broadband has been withdrawn for 7 days for using/sharing from these sites :( Bad Cherrycoke! I think I might just switch providers :/

    Only fools run public torrents. You are an easy target for them leaving your public IP address visible for everyone to see. Then again, I'm glad they're targeting foolish people like you, while my private methods work fine without drawing too much attention.


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    #52
    Cherrycoke
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Cherrycoke


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    Only fools run public torrents. You are an easy target for them leaving your public IP address visible for everyone to see. Then again, I'm glad they're targeting foolish people like you, while my private methods work fine without drawing too much attention.

    Pog, do you think I should just switch providers?


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    #53
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    Cherrycoke wrote: »
    Pog, do you think I should just switch providers?

    No. You will always be at risk when you use public torrents and leave your public IP visible. Find another method, there are a few...................ask Google, we can't help you.


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    #54
    Cherrycoke
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Cherrycoke


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    No. You will always be at risk when you use public torrents and leave your public IP visible. Find another method, there are a few...................ask Google, we can't help you.

    Ok cheers :)


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    #55
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,668 ✭✭✭flutered


    Cherrycoke wrote: »
    I recieved a registered letter from Eircom today saying that my broadband has been withdrawn for 7 days for using/sharing from these sites :( Bad Cherrycoke! I think I might just switch providers :/

    give tor browser a try, bet eircom will never trouble you again.


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    #56
    Cherrycoke
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Cherrycoke


    flutered wrote: »
    give tor browser a try, bet eircom will never trouble you again.

    Do you find this effective Flutered?


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    #57
    Kur4mA
    Registered Users Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭Kur4mA


    "block" a website... lol yeah good luck with that one!


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    #58
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    flutered wrote: »

    give tor browser a try, bet eircom will never trouble you again.

    Tor is painfully slow., good luck running a torrent through it


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    #59
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,668 ✭✭✭flutered


    Cherrycoke wrote: »
    Do you find this effective Flutered?

    it suits my needs, possibly yours as well, just make sure that you do not allow other tor users to use your system, you will be asked this, click the no option.


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    #60
    seeing_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭seeing_ie


    The US is financing and pushing a worldwide crackdown on this, as revealed by wikileaks.

    new-zealands-three-strikes-law-was-pushed-bought-and-paid-for-by-the-us-wikileaks

    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/01/12/0056221/new-zealand-three-strikes-law-to-be-tested

    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/01/11/2217239/how-verizons-six-strikes-plan-works


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    #61
    jos22
    Registered Users Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭jos22


    I won't Be surprised if Irma claim on the day the only reason HMV went under was because of piratebay and the 260 other sites on their list


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