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21-01-2012, 13:31   #16
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The strait of Hormuz is gonna be a big bottleneck indeed

I wonder what kind off protection they have in place at this moment when sailing through it
All entrances to the strait pass through Iranian waters. Exists through Omanian waters. The only defense the have is the fact that Iran has allowed boats to pass through, and promises it won't attack them. Most US defense are rendered ineffective, due the very very short response time they'd have caused by being, in such a small space and against such attacks as mentioned above, they just are designed for it.

The fact is if war breaks out the US cannot fight in the strait, they're losses would be far far too high, they'd have to pull out to a stand off distances.

A good article on the subject. http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintAr...rticleId=28516
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All entrances to the strait pass through Iranian waters. Exists through Omanian waters. The only defense the have is the fact that Iran has allowed boats to pass through, and promises it won't attack them. Most US defense are rendered ineffective, due the very very short response time they'd have caused by being, in such a small space and against such attacks as mentioned above, they just are designed for it.

The fact is if war breaks out the US cannot fight in the strait, they're losses would be far far too high, they'd have to pull out to a stand off distances.

A good article on the subject. http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintAr...rticleId=28516
The guy who wrote that article is an absolute loony sociology student from Canada, he went to Libya and was holed up in the Rixos.

The main asset Iran has are these
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...ssiles_of_Iran

Iran wouldn't have much or any success against aircraft carriers, etc - it would most likely just attack assets, softer targets in the region.

I'm not too up on it recently though, maybe check on the military forum.
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how about instead of dismissing the guy as a 'Loony' you explain to us where he's wrong in his argument???
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how about instead of dismissing the guy as a 'Loony' you explain to us where he's wrong in his argument???
What is his argument? Its mainly just a factual piece.

I am just pointing out he is a loony and a sociology student, not in any way shape or form an authority on the subject. If someone comes in here with an article by Bill O'Reilly not knowing who he is - it would be normal for someone to point out that its Bill O Reilly who has a strong view/agenda to say the least.

The website.. well I have had many dealings with it in the past, its a popular choice on here due to the selective kind of blogs/opinion pieces and articles it runs.
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The guy who wrote that article is an absolute loony sociology student from Canada, he went to Libya and was holed up in the Rixos.

The main asset Iran has are these
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...ssiles_of_Iran

Iran wouldn't have much or any success against aircraft carriers, etc - it would most likely just attack assets, softer targets in the region.

I'm not too up on it recently though, maybe check on the military forum.
If any aircraft carrier remains in the Strait, or the Persian gulf during open warfare, Iran has the capability to sink it. These large carrier are extremely vulnerable in such a small body of water, they are what the battleships were in the 20th century, obsolete in any kind of real conflict.

As I have mentioned before, if anyone can point out to me what defense an aircraft carrier has against 50 small boats armed with anti-missiles, 12 MIRV cruise missiles, explosive packed drones, and midget submarines armed with the latest torpedoes straight from China and Russia, all attacking in the space of 15 minutes.

The answer is, their is no counter. The ONLY question is whether Iran is capable of coordinating and keeping secret such an attack.
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If any aircraft carrier remains in the Strait, or the Persian gulf during open warfare, Iran has the capability to sink it. These large carrier are extremely vulnerable in such a small body of water, they are what the battleships were in the 20th century, obsolete in any kind of real conflict.

As I have mentioned before, if anyone can point out to me what defense an aircraft carrier has against 50 small boats armed with anti-missiles, 12 MIRV cruise missiles, explosive packed drones, and midget submarines armed with the latest torpedoes straight from China and Russia, all attacking in the space of 15 minutes.

The answer is, their is no counter. The ONLY question is whether Iran is capable of coordinating and keeping secret such an attack.
I'm curious about this myself, I'm going to try a post in the military forum.
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That's a big question, everything is in place, everyone is ready, it could kick off any minute, but where will it lead?

I think nuclear weapons will be used, the US already gave the green light for use in conventional warfare a long time ago using mini nukes.

Russia have a fleet of ships in port in Syria, Israel has its "Samson Option", Iran has told the US to stay out of the Gulf, sumarines can take down the biggest of the US's ships.

Militarily tha US stronger, but a small number of Iranian men with missiles can take down any US super structure.

Many nations will be drawn in and it would be WW3 and would affect the world in lots of ways.

Best get yourself a bicycle and duct tape!

Given that Israel is within striking distance things could get ugy very quickly.
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If any aircraft carrier remains in the Strait, or the Persian gulf during open warfare, Iran has the capability to sink it. These large carrier are extremely vulnerable in such a small body of water, they are what the battleships were in the 20th century, obsolete in any kind of real conflict.

As I have mentioned before, if anyone can point out to me what defense an aircraft carrier has against 50 small boats armed with anti-missiles, 12 MIRV cruise missiles, explosive packed drones, and midget submarines armed with the latest torpedoes straight from China and Russia, all attacking in the space of 15 minutes.

The answer is, their is no counter. The ONLY question is whether Iran is capable of coordinating and keeping secret such an attack.

Surely the Carrier isn't there by itself, the U.S. will have other vessels operating in the area directly targeting subs.
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If any aircraft carrier remains in the Strait, or the Persian gulf during open warfare, Iran has the capability to sink it. These large carrier are extremely vulnerable in such a small body of water, they are what the battleships were in the 20th century, obsolete in any kind of real conflict.

As I have mentioned before, if anyone can point out to me what defense an aircraft carrier has against 50 small boats armed with anti-missiles, 12 MIRV cruise missiles, explosive packed drones, and midget submarines armed with the latest torpedoes straight from China and Russia, all attacking in the space of 15 minutes.

The answer is, their is no counter. The ONLY question is whether Iran is capable of coordinating and keeping secret such an attack.
Wow you make it seem like it should be pretty easy to sink a carrier....so how many have been in sunk in say the last 50 years??
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Wow you make it seem like it should be pretty easy to sink a carrier....so how many have been in sunk in say the last 50 years??
The difference being this time they may be in a body of water no more than 50KM wide, instead of 200-300 miles of the coast of a country, of course they always do have the option of moving that far out, which would probably be the best solution to the above threats, but it also has it's obvious disadvantages too. I suppose it depends on how confident the US is feeling.

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Surely the Carrier isn't there by itself, the U.S. will have other vessels operating in the area directly targeting subs.
Yes thats true, but again, subs aren't the only factor are indeed the main factor.
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That is not a likely scenario i think ... at least not executred by those diesel subs Iran has imo ... or am i missing something here
Well the Iranian's would beg to differ, and if they do allow any USS ships back into the Gulf, how do they get out?, they are sitting ducks, although I can't see the US going back in any time soon, but you never know.
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Iranian Submarines Can Hunt Down US Aircraft Carriers Any Moment
TEHRAN (FNA)- Senior Iranian military officials said the country's subsurface vessels can ambush and destroy enemy vessels specially US aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf.
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Iran has 26 subs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_Iranian_Navy_Vessels#Submarines

3 Kilo class, which can carry some nasty missiles and torpedo's.

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The boats are mainly intended for anti-shipping and anti-submarine operations in relatively shallow waters. Original Project 877 boats are equipped with Rubikon MGK-400 sonar system (with NATO reporting name Shark Gill), which includes a mine detection and avoidance sonar MG-519 Arfa (with NATO reporting name Mouse Roar). Newer Project 636 boats are equipped with improved MGK-400EM, with MG-519 Afra also upgraded to MG-519EM. The improved sonar systems have reduced the number of operators needed by sharing the same console via automation.
Anechoic tiles are fitted on casings and fins to absorb the sonar sound waves of active sonar, which results in a reduction and distortion of the return signal.[2] These tiles also help attenuate sounds that are emitted from the submarine, thus reducing the range by which the sub may be detected by passive sonar.

Air defence: 8 SA-N-8 Gremlin or SA-N-10 Gimlet[30] Surface-to-air missiles (export submarines may not be equipped with air defense weapons)
Six 533 mm torpedo tubes with 18 53-65 ASuW or TEST 71/76 ASW torpedoes or VA-111 Shkval supercavitating "underwater missiles", or 24 DM-1 mines,
Club S anti-ship missiles (only on some export versions)
A few decent hits with missiles and torpedo's would sink any ship and whatever is on them,planes etc, then they have successfully tested land to sea, sea to sea, it certainly won't be a walk in the park for any US ships in the area if it does kick off and nomatter how big and bad they are they are useless lying on the sea bed.
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I'm not too up on it recently though, maybe check on the military forum.
Yes that's a good idea, and dont expect too accurate a picture over there either, Afghanistan and Iraq should have been finished long ago according to the experts.
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Don't the Iranians also have their own shkvall torpedoes that the Russians helped them develop. Those things should take out a carrier fairly easily
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Don't the Iranians also have their own shkvall torpedoes that the Russians helped them develop. Those things should take out a carrier fairly easily

Yes and they produce their own also,called "Hoot", reverse engineered from VA-111 Shkval.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoot_(missile)

The club S are bad boys too, Iran I believe have also made their own version also.



The Sunburn - Iran's Awesome Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile
The Weapon That Could Defeat The US In The Gulf

http://www.rense.com/general59/theSu...ansawesome.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-N-22

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