Possible false flag torpedo attacks on US carriers in the Persian gulf.

namloc1980 wrote: »

Posting a link to an article that supports your own POV is all well and good but only when carriers start plunging to the bottom of the Gulf will you be right....until then "smell the coffee brother"!

But it's a U.S. site brother, not Iranian, and they are questioning the US's defences against the missiles and torpedo's Iran currently have and manufacture.
The conclusion on this US defence site is that with these same missiles and torpedo's the US can say goodbye to their multi billion $ super ships.

Just read it and get up to speed on the subject before you claim Iran can't sink these big, slow super duper aircraft carriers.

pacquiao wrote: »

USS Enterprise, the oldest carrier in the fleet, on her last legs, scheduled to be decommissioned next year is on her way to the Persian gulf.

If anything happens to that ship Spock will lose the head and give Ahmadinejad a Vulcan death grip.

Jonny7 wrote: »

The pieces are all falling into place.

So Jonny you think there's something to this?

Stolen from another site:

The oldest ship in the fleet which is scheduled for decommission making a last voyage into the powderkeg of Hormuz in mid March. The month March being derived from Mars the Roman equivalent of the Greek god Ares: the god of War.

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

so has anyone got a good reason why Europe should comply with these sanctions which from what I can see will do us a lot more economic damage than Iran.

Well it looks like the Iranian's will pull the carpet out from beneath europes feet tomorrow and stop all exports of oil to Europe from next week, Europe wanted until 1st July to impose import sanctions but the Iranians thought why 6 months and not now, now Europe will have another headache on top of its fcuked up euro.
3 mile que's to the local petrol station may be only a couple of weeks away all across the EU, all because of the US and Israel imposing their sanctions on Iran and the EU obeying their imperial masters.
China and co will love all that extra black gold coming their way.
I just hope Saudi Arabia can keep good on their promise to fill the gap although they won't have their 6 months to get their act together and start shipping all the desperate last minute orders from the EU.

Basically the EU were going to cut off their own nose to spite their face (in 6 months), Iran will do it for them straight away.

Exclusive: New Iranian commando team operating near US (TEHRAN, FNA) - The Fars News Agency has confirmed with the Republican Guards' North American Operations Command that a new elite Iranian commando team is operating in the US-Mexican border region. The primary day-to-day mission of the team, known as the Joint Special Operations Gulf of Mexico Task Force, or JSOG-MTF, is to mentor Mexican military units in the border areas in their war with the deadly drug cartels. The task force provides "highly trained personnel that excel in uncertain environments," Major Amir Arastoo, a spokesman for Republican Guards special operations forces in North America, tells Fars, and "seeks to confront irregular threats ..."

The unit began its existence in mid-2009 - around the time that Washington rejected the Iranian leadership's wish for a new diplomatic dialogue. But whatever the task force does about the United States - or might do in the future - is a sensitive subject with the Republican Guards. "It would be inappropriate to discuss operational plans regarding any particular nation," Arastoo says about the US.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NA31Ak05.html

Read the rest of this story, I wonder how the US will like this.

Jonny7 wrote: »

You obviously didn't read the rest of the story. Or the very next line even.

Ohhh cop on will you, yea I just stopped there!


I bet when you read my excerpt you thought "WTF, they can't be allowed do that".


I was highlighting the hypocrisy in US foreign policy, imagine that was true, you'd be here shouting that the US should remove them by force, yet it's ok for the US to go and do whatever they like anywhere on the planet.


Ohh and google the word sarcasm, it might help you in future.

weisses wrote: »

Sooo do you want to make a point or just piss off people in general


Do you know the difference between Sarcasm and being condescending ??

What's your point?

Jaafa wrote: »

Seeing as this the conspiracy forum I might as well exercise my licence to write crazy ideas. So here goes.

Does anyone think that the main reason the EU decided to halt oil imports from Iran was so that in the event of a war in the near future, they wouldn't suddenly have oil cut off to their weakest countries, especially in the middle of their economic problems. (which may backfire now anyway)

Because lets be honest here they know as well as the US Iran nuclear program doesn't have any weapons dimension to it anymore, so it wasn't to put pressure on Iran as they claim.

I think you may have a point there, I think we can all agree there will be some sort of war, actually if it's war,it will be all out, no holds barred war, and the EU knowing this would need to plan ahead, so yeah, its what I'd do. Although as you said it's probabily going to shoot themselves in the foot, Iran still has its poker face and ain't giving much away.

Concerning the nuclear bollocksology, they're enriching to 20%, as said before, the worldwide norm is 36% for research reactors or isotope reactors, for medical and scientific use, and 20% is the bare minimum that uranium purity is viable in such reactors, and 20% isn't weapons grade like the 90%+ stockpile a few blocks away on the globe.
The inspectors are in there now and Iran has said if they are genuine they will co-operate, but I forsee US/Israel throwing boulders on the smooth path, demanding Ahmadinejad to lick Sharon's undercarriage while he sits there and vegetate's, sorry had a few beers!.

Sorry thats a bit sick and degrading but no-matter how much co-operation Iran give will never be enough for the warmongers, who tear this fcuking world apart on their evil macho ways, this world is fcuked, children dying every few seconds of starvation, while Gazillions spent on mass destruction, is that fcuking normal?, are we as a race, the fcuking HUMAN RACE, going to allow a few men decide our destiny?........Think About It, do me or you wanna kill somebody?, do we want to watch even more suffering, blasted as "FREEDOM", mostly freedom from actually living or having a chance to even be born, there's some evil sh1t happening in front of our eye's and some don't see it, or reject it, or explain it, or inspect it.
Where the fcuk are we going?, anyone know?

20% is the bare minimum for a research reactor, for medical purposes, such as treating cancer.
The IAEA team have left, Iran is open and honest about it's nuclear program, I just hope the IAEA are honest and not have Iran ban them.

Despite the rules enshrined in the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) entitling every member state, including Iran, to the right of uranium enrichment, Tehran is now under four rounds of UN Security Council sanctions for turning down West's calls to give up its right of uranium enrichment.

A 2008 report of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) by the then Director-General, Mohamed ElBaradei, thanked Iran's honest cooperation in removing ambiguities about its past activities and confirmed that Iran has answered all the six outstanding questions of the world body about the nuclear material and activities that it had had in the past.
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9010173029

Iran have many agreements with the IAEA:
Multilateral Agreements

http://ola.iaea.org/factSheets/CountryDetails.asp?country=IR


They don't hide anything.

The AEOI announced in August 2011 that it plans to transfer the production of 20-percent-enriched uranium from the Natanz nuclear site to the Fordo enrichment facility under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and triple the production of the 20-percent-enriched uranium.

The Islamic Republic needs the 20-percent-enriched uranium for the production of nuclear fuel plates required at the Tehran Research Reactor for producing radioisotopes for cancer treatment.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/219899.html

Former IAEA Official Dismisses Report on Iran as Unauthentic
Robert Kelley, a former director at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said in a Bloomberg article that a two-page document, first printed by the Times and used by the agency its November assessment of Iran's nuclear work, lacks authenticity.
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9010171137

This is what a former IAEA inspector Robert Kelley had to say:

I am speaking up about this now because, as a member of the IAEA’s Iraq Action Team in 2003, I learned firsthand how withholding the facts can lead to bloodshed. Having known the details then, though I was not allowed to speak, I feel a certain shared responsibility for the war that killed more than 4,000 Americans and more than 100,000 Iraqis. A private citizen today, I hope to help ensure the facts are clear before the U.S. takes further steps that could lead, intentionally or otherwise, to a new conflagration, this time in Iran.
Today’s Regrets

I regret now that ElBaradei did not speak out more vehemently, before the U.S. went to war, about the 1995 faked documents, additional forgeries provided to the agency in 2003 and other falsifications. A good man, he had been an international lawyer with years of experience dealing with half- truths and prevarications. But he was trapped between telling the whole story and overtly insulting the U.S., which supplied 25 percent of the IAEA’s funding.
For example, ElBaradei labeled documents provided to the IAEA about Iraq’s attempts to acquire uranium from Africa “not authentic.” A better description would have been “blatant and amateurish forgeries.”

(Robert Kelley, a nuclear engineer, was a director at the IAEA, where he worked for nine years. He gained his weapons expertise over 30 years at the University of California’s nuclear-weapons laboratories. The opinions expressed are his own.)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-11/iran-nuclear-weapons-charge-is-no-slam-dunk-commentary-by-robert-kelley.html

RT, I know before somebody points it out, and infowars, but it's interesting if you can be bothered to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucIDWtaKcko

Here's Robert Kelley former IAEA inspector, he seem's a reasonable man.
Robert Kelley: 'Misleading Iran report proves nothing'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gyN-3H4uRg

An IAEA report on Israel.

Text of the Director General’s letter to IAEA Member States

(Dispatched on 7 April 2010)
Sir/Madam,
I have the honour to refer to the resolution entitled “Israeli nuclear capabilities” that was
adopted by the 53rd General Conference on 18 September 2009 (GC(53)/RES/17 – enclosed).
The resolution, inter alia, expressed “concern about the Israeli nuclear capabilities”, called upon
Israel “to accede to the NPT and place all its nuclear facilities under comprehensive IAEA safeguards”,
urged “the IAEA Director General to work with the concerned States towards achieving that end” and
“report on the implementation of this resolution to the Board of Governors and the General Conference
at its fifty fourth regular session”.
In this regard, it would be helpful to me if Your Excellency could inform me of any views that
your Government might have with respect to meeting the objectives of the resolution GC(53)/RES/17.
I am writing similarly to the Foreign Ministers of the other Member States of the IAEA. I expect
that the replies that I would receive to these letters will help me to report on the matter to the Board of
Governors and to the General Conference at its fifty-fourth regular session.
An early response to this letter would therefore be much appreciated.
Yours sincerely,

Yukiya Amano
http://www.iaea.org/About/Policy/GC/GC54/GC54Documents/English/gc54-14_en.pdf

Taken together all of the above show who the threat is in reality.

JERUSALEM — A senior Israeli official said on Thursday that the missile testing site near Tehran that was destroyed in a huge explosion three months ago was developing missiles with a range of some 6,000 miles aimed at the United States.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/03/world/middleeast/israel-warns-iranian-missiles-might-threaten-us.html

It's getting more like Saddams mushroom cloud by the day, remember this?

"On NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney accused Saddam of moving aggressively to develop nuclear weapons over the past 14 months to add to his stockpile of chemical and biological arms.
"Increasingly, we believe that the United States may well become the target of those activities," Cheney said.
"And what we've seen recently that has raised our level of concern to the current state of unrest ... is that he now is trying, through his illicit procurement network, to acquire the equipment he needs to be able to enrich uranium -- specifically, aluminum tubes," Cheney said, referring to one of the elements for making nuclear weapons."
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-09-08/politics/iraq.debate_1_nuclear-weapons-top-nuclear-scientists-aluminum-tubes?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

Here we go again, same lies, same believers, hopefully more sceptics.

From your link:
"Iran also claims that it was forced to resort to secrecy after US pressure caused several of its nuclear contracts with foreign governments to fall through."

The US and Israel has continually sabotaged the Iranian nuclear program, supplying through 3rd parties faulty components, assassinating scientists, black ops inside Iran, falsifying "damning documents" with no evidence to back them up, and you believe all the crap the US/Israel spout, even after they have been shown to use the exact same techniques numerous times before, the US sanctions on Iraq caused the deaths of 500,000 children which Madeline Albright thought was "worth it", while Saddam sh1t on golden toilet seats, then they decided to liberate the people of Iraq from the tyrant, who wasn't responsible for the half million children's deaths. Look at the brilliant job they've done for the people of Iraq, truly marvellous by all US accounts.

Iran are a proud sovereign nation that hold elections, exercise their right to enrich uranium to whatever percentage they require for their research reactors.
Israel and the US are much more of a torment and threat to Iran than Iran ever will be to them, some good points were raised in the link by Duiske a few posts back, the petrodollar, the US don't like people trading oil that doesn't have a US$ attached.

Jonny do you really unquestionably believe ALL you hear from the US/Israeli governments, after their histories of lies, fabrications and falsehoods that are hard to defend, or is it a case of memory loss.

What harm have Iran done so far?, supporting resistance fighters against aggressors, you should check the CIA/Mossad/MI5/6 lists, actually you can't but they have been behind uncountable deaths and destruction for quite a while, including the Iranian coup that ousted the democratically elected leader of Iran and installed a US puppet Shah, had they not done that maybe Israel wouldn't be "the only democracy in the middle east".

Israel by the way have harassed, murdered/slaughtered their way to "democracy" these are irrefutable facts, and stolen land is a very bad example of a democracy.

What Israel constantly unleashes on Palestinians are war crime after war crime, yet mention this and your "anti-Semitic" which is boll0x really as 99% of Jews are NOT Semitic.
http://www.discerningtoday.org/members/Digest/2001digest/mar/are_the_jews_really_israelites.htm

Iran should be allowed be, the US and it's allies should concentrate more on fixing this world instead of destroying it more, but that's always going to be a big no-no for these ruling megalomaniacs.

Jonny7 wrote: »

Yeah but the Iranian regime are a bunch of assholes who fixed the elections and had no problem oppressing the populace after.

They are an intrusive censoring police state.

Their own support is based on using the foreign bogeyman from abroad to cover their failing domestic policies.

They try to run the country based on medieval religious laws.

Imagine the US, run by Palin for 20 years, and you're not even close.

So considering the forum we are on, considering your principles on the matter, I find your backing of them a little ironic...

it appears to simply be a case of "my enemies enemy is my friend".

No offense, but that's how it comes across.

No offense, but that's your own personal view of the Iran.

Don't just pin the "assholes" moniker on anyone who you don't like.

Jonny7 wrote: »

If Iran pursues a weapon, chances are there'll be war in the region, probably best to try and avoid that as it benefits no one but neocons and war profiteers.

and i wonder who they are? :rolleyes: