[jmayo]

Originally Posted by KeithAFC

They are much more this season but in previous seasons they have done well defensively. But say Wenger does leave this summer, we could have Guardiola or Mourinho leaving both Barcelona and Real Madrid. Which one would you take?

Hmmm, a guy who has only managed at one club that has happened to have the best midfield talent in the world or the guy that has won with 4 different clubs in 4 different countries, inlcuding two CL triumphs, and in one of those cases with a team not full of the best players in the world.

Originally Posted by enfant terrible

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Would winning the league or champions league at Chelsea or MU be such a great achievement anyway.

I think Guardiola is the type of manager who would like to rebuild a once great club and Arsenal are a perfect match.

Being honest Arsenal have only been great for short periods decades apart.
If he wants that sort of challenge then head to Liverpool who being honest were in a totally different level of greatness to Arsenal.

Originally Posted by dvemail

Serious changes need to be made in the board room. Enough of this trying to make money craic if this is the results we are to be expecting each week.

Serious changes need to be made in management.
A decent manager can get donkeys to play well and uses the money given to him wisely. FFS see how Moyes can get some half decent players to do a job.

Wenger has used the money given to him to buy squillaci, chamakh, park, silvestre, etc, etc and as can now be seen he can't even motivate players of the stature of Arshavin and lately players like Vermaelen.

Originally Posted by Sergio

Have to disagree.Our defense is still the main cause of our down fall.Mertesacker has been very poor at times,vermaelen has been unlucky with injuries but santos is far from proven.I know gibbs has been injured too and sagna also but overall we have been leaking far too many goals,Djourou was a disgace again today and was lucky to be still on the pitch after the 2 footed tackle.He also was the cause of their first goal.Koscielny has been our best player all season consistently strong and not afraid to get stuck in.

Vermaelen has also played some sh**e to be honest.
Santos gets lost and should never have been bought.
A late twenty something Brazillian worth his salt would not be lanquishing in Turkey.

Originally Posted by jank

Agreed. As mentioned before Wengers hands are completely tied IMO. The finger has to be pointed at the board and Ivan. Remember Wenger WATNED Cole to stay, he thought it was insane to lose a player like him for the sake of 5k a week extra. The penny pinching has destoryed the team, not Wenger IMO.

Yet another excuse for the sh**e management that Wenger has been showing not just this year, but over a few years.
How come his teams collapse when the going gets tough.
And they were teams with one of the best midfielders in the world and two other players the richest club in the world pocketed last summer.

Wenger was the one that made Gallas captain, the one that refused to go out and get a decent keeper, the one that plays Walcott, the one that hired that united reject silvestre.

Originally Posted by jank

Nobody is saying that we have to go out and spend like Chelsea or Man City but Wenger needs to be given more freedom in his transfer dealings. Also, ever since Dein left there has been nobody on the board that under stands the footballing side of the club.
Wenger should come out and come clean. All it will take is one interview and all the fans will turn on the board.

Wenger needs to sack some coaches and get some new blood in. Freshen things up a bit. He's too good to most of the players. Imagine Walcott or Arshavin playing like they dont give a **** in a team with Roy Keane? He would kill them!

Wenger needs to sack himself.

In sports like in politics or business, some people can be very sucessful and build something marvellous, but sometimes their ego and driven attitude that made them successful in the first place is their downfall.
These people often need to see the writing on the wall, but they don't.

Wenger has been failing now for a while and I am getting tired of the sh**e where people are trying to find excuses for him.
There is the excuse that the board are tying his hands, but then he goes out and blows 5/6 million on a Korean who is playing in French league and will have to go off to do his national service in a couple of years.
He went off an bought Chamakh and Squillaci who are also products of the French league.
He bought Mertesacker who's club form has been steadily on the decline for 3/4 years.
He has refused to recognise where he has problems.
He now appears to have shag all idea how to coach a defense.

Wenger WAS great for the club, but he IS no longer good for the club.
The club comes first and it is time to say goodbye.

Some around here thinks Wenger is the club.
Well he aint, there were sucessful teams before him and there will hopefully be successful teams after him.
But if he remains I guarantee you this, there will not be another sucessful team under his management unless a sugar daddy arrives to spend a few hundred million on players.

If you want to succeed in sport, or anything for that matter, there is no room for sentimentality.

[Bam Bam Mickey]

Wengers time will only be up when those living in the past and holding onto the mans reputation rather than the clubs, wake up and realise this is Arsenal FC, not Arsene FC.

[FUNKY LOVER]

From Batman the dark knight:

You die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

[tayto lover]

Here is an article from the Telegraph that any Arsenal fan would have no problem answering
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...is-summer.html

I think Wenger will be mulling over the same question for the summer too.

[jmayo]

Originally Posted by tayto lover

Here is an article from the Telegraph that any Arsenal fan would have no problem answering
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...is-summer.html

I think Wenger will be mulling over the same question for the summer too.

Hey that vote thing is ar**ways.
It doesn't include the guys out on loan like denilson and Bendtner who AFAIK are still officially on the books.

I think it would be easier to ask who should stay.

[emergingstar]

AST meeting tonight should be interesting

[Galvasean]

Whose next... Tottenham, Pool and Milan.

Crap :/

[AnCapaillMor]

Next 2 games will makes or break us even further.

[Frisbee]

I got Spurs -1 @ 5/1 and -2 @ 14/1.

Lashed a fiver on each. Couldn't believe how big the odds were.

Although it's exactly the kind of game we'll eke out a 2-1 win and Arsene will think it vindicates him form al the criticism he's been receiving lately.

[KaiserGunner]

Originally Posted by Galvasean

Whose next... Tottenham, Pool and Milan.

Crap :/

I think these are exactly the matches that we want, beats playing the likes of Wigan, Wolves or Bolton where a win would only paper over the cracks and give a false dawn of hope. Wins against Spurs and Liverpool will begin to heal some of the wounds opened over the last week/season. The players should be really fired up for Spurs at home or else there really will be trouble. The next two fixtures will obviously make or break our chances for fourth place. The players owe the fans results and performances.

[Sergio]

Originally Posted by RVP 11

Wengers time will only be up when those living in the past and holding onto the mans reputation rather than the clubs, wake up and realise this is Arsenal FC, not Arsene FC.

Couldnt agree more with your comments.You hit the nail on the head

[Quazzie]

Originally Posted by Frisbee

I got Spurs -1 @ 5/1 and -2 @ 14/1.

Lashed a fiver on each. Couldn't believe how big the odds were.

Although it's exactly the kind of game we'll eke out a 2-1 win and Arsene will think it vindicates him form al the criticism he's been receiving lately.

Good to see the vultures are circling.

[jmayo]

Originally Posted by KaiserGunner

I think these are exactly the matches that we want, beats playing the likes of Wigan, Wolves or Bolton where a win would only paper over the cracks and give a false dawn of hope. Wins against Spurs and Liverpool will begin to heal some of the wounds opened over the last week/season. The players should be really fired up for Spurs at home or else there really will be trouble. The next two fixtures will obviously make or break our chances for fourth place. The players owe the fans results and performances.

Spurs may be a big deal for the fans, but for most of the players I wouldn't think so.
IMHO the days are gone when local rivalries meant much to the players.
After all what does it mean to Gervinho, Arshavin, Vermaelen, Kos or the rest of the foreign contingent of mercenaries ?
To most of them it is yet another London club, one which if the money was right they would join in a heartbeat.

[KeithAFC]

Originally Posted by RVP 11

Wengers time will only be up when those living in the past and holding onto the mans reputation rather than the clubs, wake up and realise this is Arsenal FC, not Arsene FC.

Some would have you believe Arsenal FC only started in 1996.

[Bam Bam Mickey]

Originally Posted by KeithAFC

Some would have you believe Arsenal FC only started in 1996.

Yeah, The Wengerites.