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Camper DOE.

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  • 16-10-2011 11:26pm
    #1
    kadman
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    I would like to ask the knowledgeable folk among you.......you know who you are:D

    Has the DOE for campers been introduced, and is it currently being enforced. I,ve heard so many differing views on it. So I said I,d ask the guys that would know.

    And thats you lot:)

    So in short, do I need one.

    Thankyou

    kadman


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    #2
    Buford T Justice
    Registered Users Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


    Legislation hasn't been signed by the minister yet. Its coming, but not in effect as of yet, although the tax offices seem to think it is in now.


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    kadman
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Thats what I thought. I asked a local VTN centre as well. And there seemed to be no consensus between all the staff, as to whether I needed one or not.

    kadman


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    Pat McGet
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭Pat McGet


    According to the RSA website they have to be tested. Last page on this link

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Vehicle%20Testing/CVTFAQ%20_Final_.pdf


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    #5
    niloc1951
    Registered Users Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    While some folk in the motor tax office think a cert is required (some shambles of a public service :mad:), it is not yet a legal requirement.
    Taxing online is no problem and 'the system' does know a valid certificate is not required for motor caravans.

    So, do it online and save the hassle.


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    #6
    niloc1951
    Registered Users Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    Pat McGet wrote: »
    According to the RSA website they have to be tested. Last page on this link

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Vehicle%20Testing/CVTFAQ%20_Final_.pdf

    European legislation requires all vehicles with four or more wheels 
    and used on public roads to undergo regular roadworthiness testing.  The 
    RSA is facilitating testing of these vehicles through the VTN network. Motor 
    caravans with a Design Gross Vehicle Weight (DGVW) not exceeding 
    3500kg are tested at a LGV centre.  Those exceeding 3500kg DGVW are 
    tested at a HGV centre.

    Yes under EU legislation they are supposed to be tested and yes the VTN will facilitate testing and be glad of your cash
    BUT IT AIN'T THE LAW YET IN THIS COUNTRY

    Apologies for shouting


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    the rambler
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭the rambler


    its not law in this country yet for "motorcaravan"

    but a member of the force can prosecute for the driving of a mechanically propelled vehicle in a public place without a current test cert??

    more than one way to knock a tree and all that!!

    i'm probably not putting that in the "proper" term but you get the jist,



    just a quick one on the subject how many of you have got a current doe?

    i got mine tested in february for peace of mind


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    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    If you scroll down the list of threads you'll find one entitled "..... The court has spoken" posted by niloc1951 on 2/09/2011.

    Have a read of it.
    This subject has come up many, many times.

    I have mine tested every year. My choice.


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    niloc1951
    Registered Users Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    the rambler wrote: »
    .............a member of the force can prosecute for the driving of a mechanically propelled vehicle in a public place without a current test cert??.........................i got mine tested in february for peace of mind

    Earlier this year an attempted prosecution against a MH owner for not producing a roadworthiness certificate was thrown out of court in Limerick, the Judge, after deliberation, accepted the defence argument that MH's (motor caravans) were not covered by current legislation.

    I rely on a main dealer service to ensure my MH is roadworthy, not alone does it cover items tested by DoE/NCT requirements, it also includes service and inspection of components not inspected by the DoE/NCT.


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    the rambler
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭the rambler


    i think theres a law that all mechanically propelled vehicles being used in a public place need to have a current doe,

    is a "motorcaravan" a mechanically propelled vehicle???


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    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    the rambler wrote: »
    i think theres a law that all mechanically propelled vehicles being used in a public place need to have a current doe,

    is a "motorcaravan" a mechanically propelled vehicle???

    Somewhere, on a previous thread, I did post the piece of legistration that states what you say, except it says that a legal test is required. It does not mention DOE or NCT.
    Now the problem is, and always has been, that no test procedures have ever been laid down for Motorcaravans. As the attempted court case has shown, without these there is no way a motorcaravan can be legally tested.
    These proposed procedures are what the RSA are waiting for the minister to sign, and are expecting them to be signed before the end of the year.


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    the rambler
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭the rambler


    is the doe or nct not the legal testing method in ireland?


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    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    the rambler wrote: »
    is the doe or nct not the legal testing method in ireland?

    Yes but procedures have to be laid down for the different types of vehicles.
    private cars, light vans, heavy goods etc.

    This is where they forgot about our vehicles.

    No category = no test.


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    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    This is a question for our moderator but I've lost track of who it is:confused:.

    I've just received an email telling me that there is a new posting on this thread by the rambler.

    Does anyone see it because it's not on my screen?.


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    the rambler
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭the rambler


    i deleted it as i made a bubu with my "quote":eek::eek:
    ill give it a go later when i have more time on my hands


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    niloc1951
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    the rambler wrote: »
    i think theres a law that all mechanically propelled vehicles being used in a public place need to have a current doe,

    is a "motorcaravan" a mechanically propelled vehicle???

    The Law governing the DoE testing requirement, specifically Statuary Instrument No 771 of 2004, lists precisely what types and categories of vehicles are to be tested, motor caravans are not included.
    End of, and I've posted enough on this subject and even convinced (via a solicitor) a Judge, so as Derek Mooney says Byeeeeee


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    the rambler
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭the rambler


    niloc1951 wrote: »
    The Law governing the DoE testing requirement, specifically Statuary Instrument No 771 of 2004, lists precisely what types and categories of vehicles are to be tested, motor caravans are not included.
    End of, and I've posted enough on this subject and even convinced (via a solicitor) a Judge, so as Derek Mooney says Byeeeeee

    so is a "motorcaravan" a mechanically propelled vehicle yes or no?


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    peasant
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    the rambler wrote: »
    so is a "motorcaravan" a mechanically propelled vehicle yes or no?

    It is ...of course.

    But it has no legal basis yet on which to be tested, nor have the test criteria been formalised/finalised.

    Neither have motorbikes, btw ...they'll be next on the "needs a test" list.


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    Buford T Justice
    Registered Users Posts: 6,250 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


    niloc1951 wrote: »
    The Law governing the DoE testing requirement, specifically Statuary Instrument No 771 of 2004, lists precisely what types and categories of vehicles are to be tested, motor caravans are not included.
    End of, and I've posted enough on this subject and even convinced (via a solicitor) a Judge, so as Derek Mooney says Byeeeeee

    So was it you that had the case thrown out?


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    kadman
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Mixed bag of replies there;)

    Thanks guys for taking the time and trouble to post, I appreciate it. My camper is in excellent roadworthy order, but i wasn,t up to speed on the current legal test status.

    kadman


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    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    niloc1951 wrote: »
    The Law governing the DoE testing requirement, specifically Statuary Instrument No 771 of 2004, lists precisely what types and categories of vehicles are to be tested, motor caravans are not included.
    End of, and I've posted enough on this subject and even convinced (via a solicitor) a Judge, so as Derek Mooney says Byeeeeee

    I would doubt that there is a subject that hasn't been covered in one way or other, but with 2202 postings on this site it has to be much easier to ask again.
    I'm sure most of us don't mind or find it annoying.:)

    (Now make that 2203)


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    #22
    the rambler
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭the rambler


    Irishgoatman wrote: »
    I would doubt that there is a subject that hasn't been covered in one way or other, but with 2202 postings on this site it has to be much easier to ask again.
    I'm sure most of us don't mind or find it annoying.:)

    (Now make that 2203)
    it dosent annoy me either but i think it annoyed one or two:D
    byeeeeeee


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    Printer
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭Printer


    Does having an up to date valid engineers report from a SIMI garage help at all in this DoE thing?

    I have a converted 1997 Mazda Bongo Camper and just got it registered, taxed and insured in Ireland in last 3 months with no questions about any DoE from anyone.

    If I do take it for a DoE for peace of mind, how much does it cost?


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    Irishgoatman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭Irishgoatman


    Printer wrote: »
    Does having an up to date valid engineers report from a SIMI garage help at all in this DoE thing?

    I have a converted 1997 Mazda Bongo Camper and just got it registered, taxed and insured in Ireland in last 3 months with no questions about any DoE from anyone.

    If I do take it for a DoE for peace of mind, how much does it cost?

    Depending on the age of a vehicle, some Ins.brokers will ask for either a SIMI report or a DOE cert.

    The current cost of a DOE test is 85 euro inc. vat. You are then expected to take the test report to a motor tax office and pay another 5 euro for a proper cert. This I do not do!. I don't have to do it with my car NCT so why should I for the camper. The RSA have told me that this will change for campers eventually. If it hasn't been changed when the test becomes law I still doubt if I will do it.


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    #25
    GG66
    Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭GG66


    Sorry to go dragging this up again, but I've just tried to insure my first camper ... awww

    Insurance co tell me that since March 2012 a DOE is compulsory & advice on this thread predates this.

    I've tried registering online and it doesn't seem like I need a DOE to register online but to be sure to be sure

    Has anyone heard an update on this?


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    #26
    stevire
    Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭stevire


    GG66 wrote: »
    Sorry to go dragging this up again, but I've just tried to insure my first camper ... awww

    Insurance co tell me that since March 2012 a DOE is compulsory & advice on this thread predates this.

    I've tried registering online and it doesn't seem like I need a DOE to register online but to be sure to be sure

    Has anyone heard an update on this?

    Insurance company is correct, DOE is compulsary for all campers since March. Letters were sent in the post, not able to tax in tax office without a DOE (you get a printed CRW after that which the Gardai may request at a checkpoint)

    There's a thread stickied at the top of this forum all about the introduction and testing of the DOE:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056552528


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    peasant
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    Thanks, stevire ...and on this note I'll close this old thread


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