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Minister Carey Issues Consent for New RTÉ Services

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  • 23-02-2011 5:31pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭


    Dublin, 23 February 2011


    Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Mr Pat Carey, today announced his decision in relation to the new television services being proposed by RTÉ in the context of the rollout of the Public Service ‘Free to Air’ Digital Terrestrial Television (DTT).


    Minister Carey said, “As a result of a thorough examination of the RTÉ proposals, which included a public consultation process on the public value of the proposals and a sectoral impact assessment, I have approved, subject to certain conditions laid down in my decision, the following new RTÉ services:

    RTÉ Two High Definition (HD) Select
    RTÉ Aertel Digital
    RTÉjr
    RTÉ Plus (Phase 1)
    RTÉ News Now


    The Minister extended his thanks to the respondents to the consultation process and to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland (BAI) for their analysis of the sectoral impact on the proposals. “The responses received to the public consultation process informed my decision and it was very encouraging to see the level of interest in this statutory process with 29 respondents from the public, representative bodies and from the broadcast industry.”


    The Broadcasting Act 2009 requires the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources to undertake a detailed review of any new services or channels proposed by either RTÉ or TG4 prior to granting consent. The Act sets out a range of issues to be considered in analysing the public value of any proposals. It also requires the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland (BAI) to carry out a sectoral impact assessment of proposed new services to assess the impact of these services on the broader broadcast and media sector.


    Minister Carey added, “These additional 5 channels will give increased choice to TV viewers throughout Ireland over all platforms including the national ‘free to air’ Saorview DTT network which is currently being rolled out by RTÉ.”


    The Minister’s decision and other documentation containing the submissions received are available on the Department’s website, www.dcenr.gov.ie/Broadcasting.


    On the Saorview DTT network, the Minister added, “The national ‘free to air’ Saorview DTT network is currently being rolled out by RTÉ and this decision will ensure that the channels are available in time for the national launch of the service in May of this year. The Saorview DTT network will replace the existing analogue TV network when this closes in Q4 2012 and this target date remains on track. Consideration of the issues of information and assistance for TV viewers affected by analogue switch-off is being advanced”.





    Notes for Editor


    RTÉ’s new digital network, Saorview, which is currently operating on a trial basis and is planned to launch nationally in May 2011, can carry more services than the current analogue TV network. This provides RTÉ with an opportunity to offer new services to the Irish public. Additional information on the Saorview DTT network is available from RTÉ at www.saorview.ie


    The procedure for assessing new RTÉ and TG4 services and channels is carefully set out in national and EU law. Section 103 of the Broadcasting Act 2009 requires the Minister’s consent for all new services and channels and sets out the procedures to be followed in analysing the public value of these services and channels and which must be conducted before any such consent can be granted.


    In November 2010, the Department of Communications, Energy & Natural Resources launched a public consultation seeking views on the public value of the new RTÉ service proposals. There were 29 respondents to this consultation process from a wide range of people, representative bodies and media industry groups.



    Minister’s Decision


    The Minister’s Decision; a document which amalgamates the submissions to the public consultation; and other submissions which informed the decision are available on the website, www.dcenr.gov.ie .


    In summary the Minister’s decision, and the conditions attaching to that decision, are as follows:


    The Minister has decided to consent to the following channels and services:

    RTÉ Aertel Digital,
    RTÉ Two HD Select, (working title)
    RTÉ News Now,
    RTÉjr, and
    RTÉ Plus (working title) Phase 1 only.


    This consent is subject to the following conditions:


    Conditions attaching to Specific Channels


    1. RTÉ Two HD Select channel is required to be carried on the second multiplex;


    2. The knowledge gained from technical trialling of the HD channel will be shared with other broadcasters;


    3. RTÉ should aim to provide for full HD versions of RTÉ One and RTÉ Two as soon as practicable and by mid 2013 at the latest;


    4. The RTÉjr/RTÉ Plus channel shall be carried on the first multiplex until 1 September 2011 and from 1 September 2011 shall be transferred to the second multiplex;


    5. No advertising is permitted on the RTÉjr or RTÉ News Now channel;


    6. In respect of RTÉjr and RTÉ News Now, RTÉ shall review Phase 2 of these channel proposals on foot of the suggestions set out in the public consultation in order to further enhance the public value of the channels.


    7. RTÉ Plus: Phase 1 only is approved and for a period of 4 years only until February 2014.


    General Conditions


    1. Investment (comprising set up costs, operating costs (excluding broadcast charges and depreciation) and any other expenditure directly attributable to these channels) is limited to no greater than €8.3m over 5 years.


    2. RTÉ must act so as to ensure the new services and channels are made available on all platforms as soon as practicable in accordance with the “must offer”/“must carry” obligations set out in the Broadcasting Act 2009;


    3. RTÉ must ensure that the new services and channels (and the content provided thereon) are provided in compliance with RTÉ’s obligations under the Broadcasting Act 2009.


    4. RTÉ must ensure that the new services and channels comply with all applicable accessibility rules and that, subtitling audio-descriptions services etc. are provided, regardless of the platform on which they are carried;


    5. Because the RTÉ multiplexes are capable of carrying a large number of RTÉ and non-RTÉ channels, the Minister requires that the numbering of channels shall be designated on the basis of a set of principles and criteria to be developed by the Content Working Group of the Digital Switch-over Steering Group established by his Department and that such principles and criteria shall be subject to the approval of his Department in consultation with the BAI. In particular, these shall include the principles that priority in numbering is accorded to the four national ‘free-to-air’ television channels (i.e. RTÉ One, RTÉ Two, TV3 and TG4); and that non-RTÉ services shall not be unfairly discriminated against.


    6. All the approved services and channels shall be reviewed by RTÉ within 4 years (i.e. no later than February 2014) and a report on these reviews shall be submitted to the Minister by June 2014 at the latest. This review shall, interalia, study the continuing need for these services and channels in light of technology and societal developments and the potential for enhancing the public service value of these services and channels.


    7. Requests for substantial modifications to the approved services and channels will require the consent of the Minister under section 103 of the Broadcasting Act 2009.


    7. RTÉ is required to submit a report to the Minister and the BAI on an annual basis, (by end February each year) detailing the development of the services and channels (e.g. viewership, service and channel enhancements) and how they are operating in accordance with the conditions set out above.



    BAI Expressions of Interest Process


    One of the immediate benefits of the introduction of Digital Terrestrial Television is the opportunity to provide additional channels and services on a ‘free to air’ basis to the public over and above those channels that are currently being provided on the existing analogue system (i.e. RTÉ One, RTÉ Two, TV3, TG4).


    In addition to the new channels from RTÉ, there is a clear opportunity for the provision of additional non-RTÉ services. On this basis, the Minister has provided additional functions to the BAI (under SI 85 of 2011) to seek Expressions of Interest from the broadcast and media industry in regard to the provision of new or additional content on the Saorview system on a ‘free to air’ basis. The process will also examine the possibilities regarding the establishment of the proposed Irish Film Channel and the Houses of the Oireachtas Channel which are mentioned in the Broadcasting Act 2009.


    The BAI will be initiating this process over the coming days and is expected to be in a position to report to the Minister on the outcome of this process in advance of the national launch of the Saorview service in May 2011.

    http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/Minister+Carey+Issues+Consent+for+New+RTÉ+Services.htm


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Apogee


    DCENR wrote:

    1. RTÉ Two HD Select channel is required to be carried on the second multiplex;

    4. The RTÉjr/RTÉ Plus channel shall be carried on the first multiplex until 1 September 2011 and from 1 September 2011 shall be transferred to the second multiplex;

    This seems to contradict RTÉ plans where RTÉ2 HD would be on the 1st mux?

    rates.jpg

    And #4 appears to indicate that the second mux will be operational by September?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    looks good


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    :) Should see tests/trials of RTE JR and RTE Plus soon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    The Advertising and 2nd Mux limitations are interesting.

    http://www.techtir.ie/blog/watty/saorview-content-approval


    [RANT MODE!!!!]
    Could it be that DCENR thinks RTE should simulcast RTE2 till RTE2 is HD full time? If so they are idiots.

    Why STILL no signing of ASO date?

    Why did it take DCENR till now (a month late by their own timetable)? Why was this not settled by September 2010?

    Is it a case of delaying it as long as possible so RTE info campaign couldn't start so more unsuitable TVs can be dumped on poor Irish Consumer?

    We should have had the Info campaign starting last August/ September. The whole process has been unbelievable. The PSB process should have started in December 2007 when RTE started roll out. Absolute stupidity to have everything PSB related on hold till all three pay TV licence proposals failed. Should have been no coupling.

    [/RANT MODE!!!]


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    be good too get more choices on free too air specially after paying for tv licences


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    watty wrote: »
    The Advertising and 2nd Mux limitations are interesting.

    http://www.techtir.ie/blog/watty/saorview-content-approval

    in what way ?
    because of what apogee said


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Apogee


    watty wrote: »
    Could it be that DCENR thinks RTE should simulcast RTE2 till RTE2 is HD full time? If so they are idiots.

    I can't see the benefit of spreading the channels over two muxes when one would suffice. It's not like they are also demanding a concomitant higher resolution/bitrate for the SD channels. Just more hassle where 2x DVB-T tuners will be required for full PVR recording.

    As for DCENR being "idiots" - these are the same people ultimately responsible for the wonderful rollout of broadband in the country.

    I rest my case.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    as i have one dvb-s tuner and one t-tuner, having too have 2 t-tuner be a prob for me and not going too buy another box just too have 2 t-tuners,maybe might be option too use a usb t-tuner as second,i dont know but not thinking about it till rte get it all sorted


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    We know there is going to be 2 x Mux sooner than later, that's not the point, it's not DCENR's job to decide which FTA channel gets carried on which PSB mux. Or it shouldn't be. They can decide how many 8MHz RF channels can be allocated for PSB Muxes and who is allowed to be a TV channel. They are not able to do anything technical and shouldn't be anyway.

    If your TV HAS a compatible Tuner, then it's like VHS days, you only need single tuner in PVR. If your TV is essentially not a TV, but a Monitor, then you need two DTT tuners. There is going to be at least 2 Mux. The RTE guys thought that after ASO there could easily be a 3rd FTA Saorview Mux, it is apparently driven purely by demand of Broadcasters to air FTA channels. The Spectrum will be available Post ASO below Channel 60 to have more than six Multiplexes.

    Apogee. I have sat in DCENR office with Ryan and staff and had the NBS excuses first hand before it rolled out. They knew it was rubbish but doing it purely because it would be doing something and doing "proper stuff" or anything at ANY higher amount of money "was too expensive and not quick enough". Yet Metro North would buy a 4G mobile network AND Fibre to home for everyone.

    Idiots doesn't come close to a description.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    watty wrote: »
    The Advertising and 2nd Mux limitations are interesting.

    http://www.techtir.ie/blog/watty/saorview-content-approval


    [RANT MODE!!!!]
    Could it be that DCENR thinks RTE should simulcast RTE2 till RTE2 is HD full time? If so they are idiots.

    Why STILL no signing of ASO date?

    Why did it take DCENR till now (a month late by their own timetable)? Why was this not settled by September 2010?

    Is it a case of delaying it as long as possible so RTE info campaign couldn't start so more unsuitable TVs can be dumped on poor Irish Consumer?

    We should have had the Info campaign starting last August/ September. The whole process has been unbelievable. The PSB process should have started in December 2007 when RTE started roll out. Absolute stupidity to have everything PSB related on hold till all three pay TV licence proposals failed. Should have been no coupling.

    [/RANT MODE!!!]

    Could it be that RTE Two HD Select is a new channel? i.e. Not RTE Two as is right now (HD res), but a separate channel replaying only "real" HD material and simulcasting sports events in HD? Doesn't seem to make sense if RTE have gone to the trouble to up the bitrate on RTE Two in the current mux 1 and warned people that RTE Two Temporary was going off air in April. Could it be that TV retail trade have got to DCENR to retain RTE Two SD for the time being? If it smells like **** ...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Maybe Mary Curtis should also thank the Minister for requiring RTÉ to transmit the channels over two muxes and p*ss away more money on electricity/transmission costs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    looks like they like too waste money and time with dual mux setup


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Apogee wrote: »
    BAI Expressions of Interest Process



    In addition to the new channels from RTÉ, there is a clear opportunity for the provision of additional non-RTÉ services. On this basis, the Minister has provided additional functions to the BAI (under SI 85 of 2011) to seek Expressions of Interest from the broadcast and media industry in regard to the provision of new or additional content on the Saorview system on a ‘free to air’ basis. The process will also examine the possibilities regarding the establishment of the proposed Irish Film Channel and the Houses of the Oireachtas Channel which are mentioned in the Broadcasting Act 2009.

    The BAI will be initiating this process over the coming days and is expected to be in a position to report to the Minister on the outcome of this process in advance of the national launch of the Saorview service in May 2011.

    http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/Minister+Carey+Issues+Consent+for+New+RTÉ+Services.htm

    How much does it cost to provide a channel on DTT?


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    A minimum of maybe €3.5M a year for carriage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    watty wrote: »


    No mention of RTE Two other than RTE Two HD? So no simulcast, then? That's my take on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    Having re-read the RTENL submission and the Minister's response I don't see any way of inferring that there will be a DTT simulcast of RTE Two on SD and HD. RTE's reference to "existing" RTE Two service in their document was to the existing analogue service - not the Saorview version. So it looks as if the Minister has "green lighted" the HD service, but apparently only on a second mux. I don't see the reasoning for this and it would be interesting to find out why. Perhaps it's to make room for the temporary location of RTE jr and RTE plus?

    Of more interest is that almost no mention is made in the Minister's statement of the 29 submissions during the consultation process and how they impacted on the decision and how they modified his conditions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    There is no Simulcast.

    Of course its all space related. You couldnt squeeze anything more in without having the quality of a poor satellite channel.

    I would imagine its all about having content content content without compromising on PQ. Saorview will have to be appealing after all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,341 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    http://www.breakingnews.ie/election/news/tv3-slams-decision-to-allow-five-new-tv-channels-on-rte-494613.html
    TV3 slams decision to allow five new TV channels on RTE

    23/02/2011 - 19:55:26Television station TV3 has reacted to the decision of Minister Carey, announced today, to approve five new channels for RTE.

    TV3 plans to call on the incoming Government to immediately rescind this decision which they say will destroy jobs, growth and investment in the media sector while costing taxpayers huge sums of money.
    The approved channels are:
    - RTÉ Two High Definition (HD) Select
    - RTÉ Aertel Digital
    - RTÉjr
    - RTÉ Plus (Phase 1)
    - RTÉ News Now

    I really don't understand what TV3 are complaining about, Saorview will give them the opportunity to broadcast to the nation (or most of it) in HD and allow people outside cable and satellite to receive 3E, surely this has to be of benefit. The channels RTÉ announced today in my opinion offer little competition to TV3 and of those the vast majority of people will be concerned with RTE1 and 2HD and possibly the Plus channel if they missed something.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    http://www.breakingnews.ie/election/news/tv3-slams-decision-to-allow-five-new-tv-channels-on-rte-494613.html



    I really don't understand what TV3 are complaining about, Saorview will give them the opportunity to broadcast to the nation (or most of it) in HD and allow people outside cable and satellite to receive 3E, surely this has to be of benefit. The channels RTÉ announced today in my opinion offer little competition to TV3 and of those the vast majority of people will be concerned with RTE1 and 2HD and possibly the Plus channel if they missed something.

    I'd just give TV3's licence to UTV and be done with it. No loss.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    TV3 would be happiest if NO terrestrial broadcasting.

    Save them a fortune.

    UTV can apply for carriage anyway, though no doubt TV3 would complain.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭carrolls


    watty wrote: »
    TV3 would be happiest if NO terrestrial broadcasting.

    Save them a fortune.

    UTV can apply for carriage anyway, though no doubt TV3 would complain.
    True.
    Also, they were the company that forced Ryan to re-edit the Memorandum Of Understanding last Feburary to stop BBC services being provided free to air on Saorview.
    Maybe its because viewers would swap BBC 1 for TV3 any day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    That's mythical.

    BBC could never be FTA on Saorview

    If you had 2 x BBC channels only that would be €7M to €8M a year running cost. Who pays for it?

    On Satellite we have for once off personal install cost
    BBC1, 2, 3,4 Cbeebies, CBBC, Parliament, News 24, BBCHD, BBC1 HD
    UTV, ITVHD, ITV2, ITV3, ITV4, CITV,
    C4, e4, More4, Film4
    Skynews, Euronews, CNN etc
    Plus a load of other free channels

    That alone would cost €15M to €25M a year to transmit terrestrially, excluding rights/Royalites.

    I'll believe the 2x RTE + TG4 on 2 x NI transmitters if it starts. Mad waste of money when 45% of NI gets overspill Saorview and 100% will get Saorsat.

    Let people that want it (Irish TV in N.I. or UK TV in Ireland) pay once off Satellite Dish install cost instead of making EVERYONE pay annually for ever.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭carrolls


    watty wrote: »
    That's mythical.
    If you had 2 x BBC channels only that would be €7M to €8M a year running cost. Who pays for it?
    Oh suddenly its a myth now.:rolleyes: Its amazing how a year clouds your memories. It did actually happen.
    If legislation required that BBC 1 and BBC 2 were to be allowed on to one of the muxes for free (the BBC and the British Government were 100% committed to the original MOU) , and one of the muxes had spare slots anyway, its not going to cost anybody anything. The fact that someone set the slot price at €3.5 million is irrelevant in the MOU scenario.
    Its similar to the €5.00 RyanAir ticket scenario for how they deal with empty seats.
    Also who is paying for RTE on Freeview up the North?
    The same argument applies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Apogee


    watty wrote: »
    T
    If you had 2 x BBC channels only that would be €7M to €8M a year running cost. Who pays for it?

    Where are you getting €7M from? The RTÉNL tarriff is approx €3.5M per multiplex, not per channel.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Apogee


    STB wrote: »
    There is no Simulcast.

    Of course its all space related. You couldnt squeeze anything more in without having the quality of a poor satellite channel.

    I would imagine its all about having content content content without compromising on PQ. Saorview will have to be appealing after all.

    There is sufficient space on 1 mux for the proposed channels. In requiring the use of 2 muxes, DCENR have not set a minimum resolution or bitrates - and I doubt it they give a damn either way about picture quality or end-user experience.

    This, to my mind, has all the hallmarks of the previous nonsense trial in MPEG2, which was to show the EU authorities the great progress that was being made in Ireland. And now they can pretend they are rolling out a 2 mux system across Ireland.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    There is no spare capacity on the two mux for 2 x BBC channels.

    Ryan had it on his website a few days. It was a mistake.

    I agree TV3 didn't like it, but that is not why it isn't happening.

    Even if there is "spare" space it's not free. That's fantasy. We don't have Oireachtas TV on it today because the Government has never assigned the Budget. All the infrastructure and content exists. If Oireachtas or Film channel can't get "free carriage" how on Earth could 2 x BBC. Also there are distribution and rights costs too.


    Who is paying for RTE up north? (also that's only two "lite" TX sites, not 51).


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Apogee wrote: »
    Where are you getting €7M from? The RTÉNL tarriff is approx €3.5M per multiplex, not per channel.

    I thought it was €3.5M per channel.

    €3.5M for 51sites per mux per year is €178K per Mux-Site? What does that include? Some sites obviously use about 100x more electricity than others.

    Also recovery of capital expenditure, spare parts, 24 hr x 7 engineers on standby, regular site maintenance etc...


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Apogee wrote: »
    There is sufficient space on 1 mux for the proposed channels. In requiring the use of 2 muxes, DCENR have not set a minimum resolution or bitrates - and I doubt it they give a damn either way about picture quality or end-user experience.

    This, to my mind, has all the hallmarks of the previous nonsense trial in MPEG2, which was to show the EU authorities the great progress that was being made in Ireland. And now they can pretend they are rolling out a 2 mux system across Ireland.

    Maybe not quite when Film Channel OR Oireachtas is running too. But the basic thinking of why they are interfering I agree with.

    Also DCENER/BAI can say to other interested parties "Look there is spare space on two multiplexes, no need for rollouts, you can be on air as soon as you give Donneybrook a feed".


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Apogee




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