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FouxDaFaFa · 28-02-2012, 19:15

Anyone still watching this? I'm finding it pretty difficult to get excited about. There's nothing particularly wrong with it, it just lacks something. I'm not too keen on Karen, just haven't warmed to her at all. On the flip-side, the musical numbers are quite good. (Although, "Rumour Had It" last night was not great).

I think the reason it hasn't lived up to its name ratings-wise is because it's too much of a niche. It appeals to me because I like musicals and musical theatre and occasionally perform in them myself, but I can understand why others wouldn't go for it.

Richard Dower · 29-02-2012, 01:13

^ i was about to give up tbh....but i decided to watch ep. 4 just to give it a final shot....glad i did as ep. 4 was by far the best yet. It was lighter and much more humour. The performance of Ivy at the party was great fun!

I 100% get your thing with Karen/Katherine....she's like this stunning looking girl...like someone you'd see in school, all smiles and polite to your face but snarky and bitchy behind your back, very up herself as well.

Dare i say...boyfriend stealer material?, getting back to the show....it has a certain cable quality to it, it's like The Playboy Club in that i feel the show is being held back and restrained due to network and censors etc.

You really don't have many likable characters, Derek and the loathesome Ellis....ugh!, we're supposed to route for Karen i guess but as you say she has this sorta irksome quality to her.

We all know what will happen soon, Ivy will get cut and Karen takes the lead as Marilynn etc., one thing i'll say...if you were expecting Glee your shiite outta luck!, it's a very different show in tone and content.

I'm not sold on the show, i think it's average....but i'm willing to give it another shot next week. The ratings are still very average, after the finals it pulled a 2.3 demo same as last week. Considering The Voice is a huge lead-in NBC has to be disappointed, considering the cost of the show and the promotion afforded to it: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...atings/122198/

Btw..Uma Thurman is preggers so won't be appearing on Smash....sucks for them (and their ratings)

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethe...n-for-her.html

http://uk.eonline.com/news/watch_wit...#ixzz1niX2X8v2

Meryl Streeps daughter: http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethe...ce-gummer.html

FouxDaFaFa · 20-03-2012, 14:38

Had to come here to rant about episode 6. I know we're supposed to be rooting for Katharine McPhee but it's hard when she shows up late to a Bar Mitzvah she's being paid to perform at, dressed inappropriately and without a clue of any traditional jewish celebration songs. Just smacked of disrespect and unprofessionalism. But of course that doesn't matter and Spoiler: she gets a meeting with a producer.

I really liked the latest episode. I think by introducing Ivy's mother (who is phenomenally famous in Broadway terms) theyr'e cementing their appeal to that limited audience of musical theatre fans. I'd be worried about the ratings in the long-term, I don't know if people are embracing it in the States.

Also, really liking all the Marilyn parallels they're introducing with Ivy.

Richard Dower · 20-03-2012, 16:18

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Originally Posted by FouxDaFaFa

Had to come here to rant about episode 6. I know we're supposed to be rooting for Katharine McPhee but it's hard when she shows up late to a Bar Mitzvah she's being paid to perform at, dressed inappropriately and without a clue of any traditional jewish celebration songs. Just smacked of disrespect and unprofessionalism. But of course that doesn't matter and Spoiler: she gets a meeting with a producer.

I really liked the latest episode. I think by introducing Ivy's mother (who is phenomenally famous in Broadway terms) theyr'e cementing their appeal to that limited audience of musical theatre fans. I'd be worried about the ratings in the long-term, I don't know if people are embracing it in the States.

Also, really liking all the Marilyn parallels they're introducing with Ivy.

I also liked ep. 7 but thought ep. 6 was stronger, i don't get the hubub about Bernadette Peters though

, best part was Eileen giving that little rat Ellis the smackdown he deserves!

I loathe that little lurking creep, he's in everyones business....i hope he gets found out soon and fired, and the guy is clearly gay!....that GF is a beard!
The workshop part was very good, but i'm tiring of the tacked on drama....especially the Julia/Michael triste.....her poor son at the end

I felt really angry towards Julia putting her son through that pain, for what?....sex?, she disgusted me and the thing is...Debra Messing in real life has done the same thing!!!!

Broken up a marriage, cretins!

http://tvline.com/2012/03/19/smash-r...adette-peters/

Smash pulled a 2.3 last night, season low: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...ytheNumbers%29

JP Liz V1 · 20-03-2012, 16:44

I agree Karen isnt likeable

The only characters I like are Ivy and Eileen

Richard Dower · 20-03-2012, 16:47

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Originally Posted by JP Liz V1

I agree Karen isnt likeable

The only characters I like are Ivy and Eileen

There is SOMETHING about McPhee that brings out the claws in other females i think, she's too self aware....if you get my meaning. She TRIES to come off all nice and sweet, but....you know a stuck up bitch is just beneath the surface.

Does that make any sense

FouxDaFaFa · 20-03-2012, 17:12

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Originally Posted by Richard Dower

There is SOMETHING about McPhee that brings out the claws in other females i think, she's too self aware....if you get my meaning. She TRIES to come off all nice and sweet, but....you know a stuck up bitch is just beneath the surface.

Does that make any sense

She's actually a very judgey character, not half as nice as they're trying to make her.
Examples:

Finding out Ivy and Director are an item. She says "she's sleeping with him??!" in this shocked innocent voice, when it was only a few nights previous that she had gone over to his apartment late at night, stripped half naked and straddled him while singing him "Happy Birthday". FFS.
Her boyfriend deigning to speak to an attractive woman is the worst thing ever.
Coming in late to her recording session (rude in itself) she gives the scruffy guy this withering look after asking if he's Mr.X, as if to say "of course you're not, state of you".

I just hate her!

Ivy is great. I'm loving Eileen too, she's pretty bad-ass. Richard, agree with the Julia-Michael thing, it's the only arc that bores me. Well, apart from Lurky McLurkerson.

JP Liz V1 · 22-03-2012, 22:59

It has been renewed for a second season

It could do with a character clear out and revamp but keep Eileen and Iny maybe get in some new writers also

FouxDaFaFa · 23-03-2012, 02:05

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Originally Posted by JP Liz V1

It has been renewed for a second season

It could do with a character clear out and revamp but keep Eileen and Iny maybe get in some new writers also

If they got rid of Lurky McLurkerson I probably wouldn't even notice. I keep forgetting about him and then he comes on for his few creepy seconds of airtime and it's like "oh yeah...that guy".

I'm nervous about the direction of the show. The obvious route would be for Karen to be given the lead for some reason, or to switch between Ivy and her a few times so we don't know who will actually play the role. I don't think that would be particularly interesting, especially since I hate the sight of Karen. I wish they would shelve the Karen character but, she is the main character. *sigh*

FouxDaFaFa · 27-03-2012, 23:06

Liked the latest episode, it further cemented my hatred of Karen. She's playing the naive card so much but what exactly did she think was happening Spoiler: in that warehouse? She knew they were going behind the songwriters' backs and Ivy's and she didn't give a fcuk.

The thing with Eileen's Spoiler: daughter suddenly showing up and then leaving immediately was a bit odd, maybe she was a famous person doing a cameo and I didn't recognise her?

The scene with Tom and the director was dynamite. Spoiler: It explains a lot. Stuff like a scorned director going around bad-mouthing a production or a certain person happens all the time, it's the ugly side of showbusiness.

I'm liking that they're bringing the political side of things into the mix too.

How rude was Spoiler: Lurky McLurkerson to Tom? He had given him a job and extra chances when he didn't deserve it and the thanks he gets is basically a middle finger in his direction.

Richard Dower · 29-03-2012, 13:35

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Originally Posted by FouxDaFaFa

Liked the latest episode, it further cemented my hatred of Karen. She's playing the naive card so much but what exactly did she think was happening Spoiler: in that warehouse? She knew they were going behind the songwriters' backs and Ivy's and she didn't give a fcuk.

The thing with Eileen's Spoiler: daughter suddenly showing up and then leaving immediately was a bit odd, maybe she was a famous person doing a cameo and I didn't recognise her?

The scene with Tom and the director was dynamite. Spoiler: It explains a lot. Stuff like a scorned director going around bad-mouthing a production or a certain person happens all the time, it's the ugly side of showbusiness.

I'm liking that they're bringing the political side of things into the mix too.

How rude was Spoiler: Lurky McLurkerson to Tom? He had given him a job and extra chances when he didn't deserve it and the thanks he gets is basically a middle finger in his direction.

Meryl Streeps daughter

Spitting image of her...didn't you cop it?

Richard Dower · 29-03-2012, 13:39

^Ellis....what a cretin!, he's a climber of the worse kind, a total snake.....i still don't buy his GF, bi-sexual at most, taking ballet class?....100% gay!, loved how Eileen' daughter caught Ellis at the door.

Seems dereck is homophobic, makes sense considering his dad....wtf were Eileen and Dreck thinking with that performance?, that was Lady Gaga or Katy Perry....not musical theatre.

trendy88 · 29-03-2012, 15:04

Quiet like this show. What annoys me about it is the fact that we are supposed to be rooting for Karen-but I actually cannot stand her. Ivy on the other hand-I find much more likeable.

Also some of the personal storylines are boring. Seriously couldnt care less about Julia's son or her affair with that other guy. Not to mention Eileens divorce. Anytime the story moves from the professional aspect to the personal side of things-I feel myself tuning out.

Richard Dower · 29-03-2012, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Richard Dower

^Ellis....what a cretin!, he's a climber of the worse kind, a total snake.....i still don't buy his GF, bi-sexual at most, taking ballet class?....100% gay!, loved how Eileen' daughter caught Ellis at the door.

Seems dereck is homophobic, makes sense considering his dad....wtf were Eileen and Dreck thinking with that performance?, that was Lady Gaga or Katy Perry....not musical theatre.

Wel well well, this news confirms my suspicions about Ellis and his sexuality, he is Bi

http://uk.eonline.com/news/watch_wit...sh_gets/304839

Margerite in New Jersey: Ugggggh. I cannot stand the annoying assistant on Smash! Please tell me they are doing away with him and he'll get what he has coming to him!
Um…interesting choice in words because he certainly does have something coming to him. Something naughty! Sources tell me that Ellis (Jaime Cepero) is going to be sleeping with Uma Thurman's assistant on the show. Now, who wants to guess whether the assistant is a man or a woman? Oh, we'll just tell you (since that big ol' headline up there pretty much already did): It's a maaaaannn baby! So for all of you who were shocked Ellis had a girlfriend in the first place, this might end up to be the least shocking TV twist of all time. And solid proof your gaydar is not broken. Congrats!

Read more: http://uk.eonline.com/news/watch_wit...#ixzz1qWKDHlqv

FouxDaFaFa · 04-04-2012, 03:32

I agree with the above post, the production of a broadway show at this level is exciting and interesting enough without dragging all this soapy crap into it.

Ellis...what the FCUK is wrong with him? It's like he has no concept of social norms or how human interactions work. I'm not sure if we're supposed to like him and think he's a go-getter or something but he really gives me the creeps.

Felt bad for Ivy this ep. She needs to get away from that director, he's not doing her any good. Her wandering the streets in her angel outfit was pretty funny. Anyone else think her spiral has been a bit too fast?

I like seeing Tom's life, I find him so much more likeable than Julia. I'd rather see Eileen with the barman or being her badass self than constantly running into her ex.

As for Karen, I hope her ad turns out horribly. Or they cgi a new face onto her or something. Just cannot stand her.

29-02-2012, 01:13	#32
Richard Dower Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Limerick Posts: 19,923 Adverts \| Friends	^ i was about to give up tbh....but i decided to watch ep. 4 just to give it a final shot....glad i did as ep. 4 was by far the best yet. It was lighter and much more humour. The performance of Ivy at the party was great fun! I 100% get your thing with Karen/Katherine....she's like this stunning looking girl...like someone you'd see in school, all smiles and polite to your face but snarky and bitchy behind your back, very up herself as well. Dare i say...boyfriend stealer material?, getting back to the show....it has a certain cable quality to it, it's like The Playboy Club in that i feel the show is being held back and restrained due to network and censors etc. You really don't have many likable characters, Derek and the loathesome Ellis....ugh!, we're supposed to route for Karen i guess but as you say she has this sorta irksome quality to her. We all know what will happen soon, Ivy will get cut and Karen takes the lead as Marilynn etc., one thing i'll say...if you were expecting Glee your shiite outta luck!, it's a very different show in tone and content. I'm not sold on the show, i think it's average....but i'm willing to give it another shot next week. The ratings are still very average, after the finals it pulled a 2.3 demo same as last week. Considering The Voice is a huge lead-in NBC has to be disappointed, considering the cost of the show and the promotion afforded to it: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...atings/122198/ Btw..Uma Thurman is preggers so won't be appearing on Smash....sucks for them (and their ratings) http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethe...n-for-her.html http://uk.eonline.com/news/watch_wit...#ixzz1niX2X8v2 Meryl Streeps daughter: http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethe...ce-gummer.html Last edited by Richard Dower; 29-02-2012 at 02:02. Reason: typos

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28-02-2012, 19:15	#31
FouxDaFaFa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Galway Posts: 3,938 Adverts \| Friends	Anyone still watching this? I'm finding it pretty difficult to get excited about. There's nothing particularly wrong with it, it just lacks something. I'm not too keen on Karen, just haven't warmed to her at all. On the flip-side, the musical numbers are quite good. (Although, "Rumour Had It" last night was not great). I think the reason it hasn't lived up to its name ratings-wise is because it's too much of a niche. It appeals to me because I like musicals and musical theatre and occasionally perform in them myself, but I can understand why others wouldn't go for it.

20-03-2012, 14:38	#33
FouxDaFaFa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Galway Posts: 3,938 Adverts \| Friends	Had to come here to rant about episode 6. I know we're supposed to be rooting for Katharine McPhee but it's hard when she shows up late to a Bar Mitzvah she's being paid to perform at, dressed inappropriately and without a clue of any traditional jewish celebration songs. Just smacked of disrespect and unprofessionalism. But of course that doesn't matter and Spoiler: she gets a meeting with a producer. I really liked the latest episode. I think by introducing Ivy's mother (who is phenomenally famous in Broadway terms) theyr'e cementing their appeal to that limited audience of musical theatre fans. I'd be worried about the ratings in the long-term, I don't know if people are embracing it in the States. Also, really liking all the Marilyn parallels they're introducing with Ivy.

20-03-2012, 16:44	#35
JP Liz V1 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20,030 Adverts \| Friends	I agree Karen isnt likeable The only characters I like are Ivy and Eileen

22-03-2012, 22:59	#38
JP Liz V1 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20,030 Adverts \| Friends	It has been renewed for a second season It could do with a character clear out and revamp but keep Eileen and Iny maybe get in some new writers also

27-03-2012, 23:06	#40
FouxDaFaFa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Galway Posts: 3,938 Adverts \| Friends	Liked the latest episode, it further cemented my hatred of Karen. She's playing the naive card so much but what exactly did she think was happening Spoiler: in that warehouse? She knew they were going behind the songwriters' backs and Ivy's and she didn't give a fcuk. The thing with Eileen's Spoiler: daughter suddenly showing up and then leaving immediately was a bit odd, maybe she was a famous person doing a cameo and I didn't recognise her? The scene with Tom and the director was dynamite. Spoiler: It explains a lot. Stuff like a scorned director going around bad-mouthing a production or a certain person happens all the time, it's the ugly side of showbusiness. I'm liking that they're bringing the political side of things into the mix too. How rude was Spoiler: Lurky McLurkerson to Tom? He had given him a job and extra chances when he didn't deserve it and the thanks he gets is basically a middle finger in his direction.

29-03-2012, 13:39	#42
Richard Dower Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Limerick Posts: 19,923 Adverts \| Friends	^Ellis....what a cretin!, he's a climber of the worse kind, a total snake.....i still don't buy his GF, bi-sexual at most, taking ballet class?....100% gay!, loved how Eileen' daughter caught Ellis at the door. Seems dereck is homophobic, makes sense considering his dad....wtf were Eileen and Dreck thinking with that performance?, that was Lady Gaga or Katy Perry....not musical theatre.

29-03-2012, 15:04	#43
trendy88 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 147 Adverts \| Friends	Quiet like this show. What annoys me about it is the fact that we are supposed to be rooting for Karen-but I actually cannot stand her. Ivy on the other hand-I find much more likeable. Also some of the personal storylines are boring. Seriously couldnt care less about Julia's son or her affair with that other guy. Not to mention Eileens divorce. Anytime the story moves from the professional aspect to the personal side of things-I feel myself tuning out.

04-04-2012, 03:32	#45
FouxDaFaFa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Galway Posts: 3,938 Adverts \| Friends	I agree with the above post, the production of a broadway show at this level is exciting and interesting enough without dragging all this soapy crap into it. Ellis...what the FCUK is wrong with him? It's like he has no concept of social norms or how human interactions work. I'm not sure if we're supposed to like him and think he's a go-getter or something but he really gives me the creeps. Felt bad for Ivy this ep. She needs to get away from that director, he's not doing her any good. Her wandering the streets in her angel outfit was pretty funny. Anyone else think her spiral has been a bit too fast? I like seeing Tom's life, I find him so much more likeable than Julia. I'd rather see Eileen with the barman or being her badass self than constantly running into her ex. As for Karen, I hope her ad turns out horribly. Or they cgi a new face onto her or something. Just cannot stand her.