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MBS in International Entrepreneurship Management

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  • 19-12-2009 6:23pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭


    With the New Year approaching I am considering stepping back into the world of education after, what will be, a two year break. Have my eye on the International Entrepreneurship Management Masters and was just hoping to get some views from those who are doing it or have done it.

    One thing that was putting me off initially is that I heard that UL would own the rights to a business plan. Recently I have been informed that this is not the case so just wanted to double check that (a third opinion :) ). Also, a business plan is a part of the course right - does that fill in for the "thesis"?

    What are your views on the various modules undertaken? Always difficult to get an idea based on a name alone...Highs and lows? Interesting and....less interesting? What kind of projects are undertaken?

    Also, is the course focused on group work or is there individual undertakings too? Obviously if I am entering the course hoping to kill two birds with one stone (i.e. I have an idea but want the time to work on the Business Plan...and get credit for it), it may not suit others...So while group projects are great, there are certain areas that a lone wolf approach would sit quite nicely with me.

    Thanks!

    🤪



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭Burning Eclipse


    This thread needs more Mossin... ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Mossin


    This thread needs more Mossin... ;)

    I've seen this thread, but I've been quite hungover and inable to function properly since Friday morning...and even now I'm not too well..

    I'll reply in full later today


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Mossin


    Hi Sabre,

    I'm currently doing this course, so I'll fill you in on what we've done since September. I cannot comment much on next semester as I dont know what we will do doing exactly, I'll know more in January.

    This semester we had 5 modules, and class takes place on Wednesday, Thursdays and Fridays, thats for both full and part-time students. There are only 15 hours a week, i.e. 3 hours per module [2 for lectures and 1 for tutorials]

    I'll now break down each module for you.

    Marketing and Market Research Methods
    This class was given by the new course director, and she made a good stab at it.
    It can be tediously boring, and fairly common sense, but that may also be because I did Marketing as my Major for my undergraduate degree.
    It covers aspects such as primary/secondary research methods, and benefits of them etc...
    Then basically covers the 7P's of marketing - Product, Price, Promotion etc...in detail. The book used is an introduction to marketing book, and is available in the library and is quite useful.
    The course work for this module was interesting.

    For 15% we had to do a sales pitch in groups of 2. A ten minute presentation trying to sell a product to SPAR stores in Ireland. You will be given a product [ranging from fire logs to natural fruit juice] and then the rest is up to you.
    For 45%, we had to work with a company who came in to do a presentation to us. The class divided into groups of 5, and had to choose from a list of options to work with his company on. We did a sales and promotional plan for the next 12 months on their new product. It was an awful project in my opinion, because the business was a bit of a joke, and the 2,500 word count for 45% was unrealistic of how much work we put in.
    The final 40% came in the form of an end of semester exam, answering 2 from 3 essays questions.

    Innovation and Intrapreneurship
    This module was 100% coursework, and as a result I didnt bother to do any of the extra readings or even look at a book. I'm not sure if anyone in the class did tbh.
    For the first 30%, each person had to devise 2 new to the world products, and do a 2 minute sales pitch on one of them, while submitting a written document on each as well. This was tough, as the deadline was in week 3 of the semester, and not much time to think of an idea.
    The next 50% involved asking 5 employees in an SME of your choice a load of questions. The lecturer gave us the questionnaire at the beginning of the semester, and therefore it was straighforward. With the responses, we each had to write a 5,000 word report comparing and analysing the results. It had to be graphical and analytical. The report writing was ok, but trying to get the responses proved difficult.
    The final 20% was a personal development log, explaining how our understanding of innovation and intrapreneurship developed during the semester. This was pure nonsense, but its better than sitting an exam!
    It also has the best lecturer imo. She was fantastic, and you'd listen to her all day.

    Financing Small Businesses
    This was not an introduction to accounting as I thought it would be, but it still covered a lot of the basics. The lecturer made a boring subject easy enough to listen to.
    25% of the module was a case study, trying to source additional sources of funding, and this was done in groups of 5. Its a straightforward case study, and practical which was good.
    The 75% was an exam at the end, answering 3 from 4 questions. Most of them are computational, with some theory as well, but majority needed a calculator.

    Human Resources
    This module was also 100% coursework.
    I thought this was awfully boring at the start, and the lecturer did nothing to change my opinion for a long time. She was just too boring, and all we were covering was legislation such as unfair dismissals act etc..They were all examined in a 30% mid-term exam.
    Then we had to do a selection interview then late in the semester. In this interview we were the interviewer! We had barely 2 weeks preparation, and we were filmed doing it, and it was a fantastic experience. Definitely one of the best aspects of course.
    The last part of the module was a 3,000 - 5,000 word project, and was essentially a mini-thesis, as it required a literature review, and interviewing 3 owner/managers of SME's.
    I think that next year, the project is going to be replaced by a second interview, which I think will be more beneficial.

    Establishing New Ventures
    This was 100% coursework also, and was in essence a module on doing a business plan. Now, thats what we were told, and while we spent the next 13 weeks coming up with a product and developing a business plan, in the end it was an academic report, and not a usable model. The time scale is just too small to properly develop it, and with all the other work it ends up consuming your life.
    The business plan can be done alone, or in groups up to 3 members.
    5% given for a sales pitch in week 3 on the new idea.
    10% given for a 4 page product concept statement - basically expanding on the sales pitch.
    50% given for submitting the business plan [ours was 91 pages long]
    25% given for a learning journal - what we each learned throughout the semester
    10% given for a Dragons' Den exhibition and presentation. We presented in front of a panel of 8 people, and then had a 2 hour exhibition of our business plans in week 13 of the semester. This was fun, and a great experience, but it was just so late in the semester that we were all so tired we just wanted it to be over.

    Thats the jist of the course to date.
    When we return we will be doing 5 more modules and a thesis up to 35,000 words. :(
    The modules include a family business module, a business consulting module, and an economics module. Thats all I know right now on next semester..


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Mossin


    Sabre0001 wrote: »
    One thing that was putting me off initially is that I heard that UL would own the rights to a business plan. Recently I have been informed that this is not the case so just wanted to double check that (a third opinion :) ). Also, a business plan is a part of the course right - does that fill in for the "thesis"?

    For an undergraduate degree, YES, UL do have the rights to the business plan, but for the MBS in I.E.M., the intellectual property rests with the students, and the idea would be yours to keep. We were informed of that on Day 1 by the course director.
    I am unsure as to whether a business plan can be used in place of a thesis.
    When I find out I'll let you know.


    I wouldnt use this course to develop a business plan that I wanted to do, because believe me, you will end up hating the idea and yourself by the end of it. There is just so much else to concentrate on, and the business plan ends up taking over from everything else as its always lingering there.

    Any other questions dont hesitate to ask, and I'll do my utmost to answer them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 54 ✭✭So Many Shoes


    Hi Sabre0001,

    I would just like to reiterate all of what Mossin has said. I am also in Semester 1, well Semester 2 in January of IEM. I agree with pretty much everything Mossin has said about the modules; I will just give you some of my views on them.

    Marketing and Market Research Methods
    Yap, as Mossin said it was a little bit boring but that is probably due to the fact we did Marketing during our degrees (I didn’t major in marketing but I did a very similar module in second year). I think that people who haven’t done marketing before that this is a useful module and whilst it can be a bit tedious it is more practical in the sense of an SME, more so than the module I did during my degree.

    The 45% assignment is based on a real company so it had to be both applicable for the company and for our lecturer (which tbh is difficult to do). It wasn’t my favourite project but we got a very good result so I won’t complain too much about it! The lecturer is really helpful also.

    Innovation and Intrapreneurship
    As Mossin said this lecturer is the nicest person ever! The subject is really interesting, probably more so because of how it’s thought and because of the lecturers great interest in the subject area.

    Definitely the most difficult task was contacting/getting responses from the company for the main assignment. It would drive you mad! Again the lecturer is really helpful and really interested in the subject and would make you even more interested in it.

    Financing Small Businesses
    I did accounting and finance for my degree so I didn’t find this too hard, but I will say that it is different and more practical for an SME to what I had learnt before. The lecturer again is really helpful and teaches the subject well.

    Human Resources
    Like Mossin, this was not my favourite subject at the start of the year. But the interview is really good, it’s awful watching yourself back on the video though but it is a really helpful and practical exercise to do.

    Establishing New Ventures
    The Business Plan is probably the most practical project that we did all semester, in that we can use what we have learnt exactly from the notes and the business plan in the future. But the stress of the business plan is huge and ya I did begin to hate the business idea/business plan towards the end of the semester! I think it’s the time frame to do it in, it’s not realistic at all, and also we had to think up of a business idea in 2/3 weeks and also form groups with people we had never met before (and who we presumed that we could work with). You can do it on our own but the workload would be an awful lot but in saying that it would be all your own work and if it was a business idea that you have already and you are sure that’s what you want to do the business plan on, you might be best to do it on your own….. but in my opinion I would not do that idea for this business plan, as Mossin said you will end up hating the idea by the end of it.

    The exhibition in my opinion was a bit of a let down but it was fun and it was a bit different!

    Overall I do think it’s a good course and especially if you are thinking of setting up your own business. I would also recommend doing it full-time as opposed to part-time, as there isn’t too much of a difference in the workloads and you will obviously get it done quicker.

    Also the business plan is definitely yours, not UL’s. I don't think you can use the business plan for the thesis, I am not fully sure though.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    Food for thought guys, thanks very much! Will definately be keeping an eye out for more tips come Semester 2 when ye know what ye are doing.

    Did Marketing and Entrepreneurship myself in college and did enjoy it overall (so much coursework though!). Can certainly understand the points about the Business Plan; I certainly remember working on that endlessly...Must make up a pros and cons list perhaps.

    It's a tough time - currently do have a job which is always nice...but do want the time to do the BP (and possibly branch out). But the job is the safety net at the end of the day. Unfortunately, by the sounds of it I wouldn't have any surplus time by doing the Masters either :D Must keep an eye on this, do some more research and think it over...and over...

    🤪



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Mossin


    Sabre0001 wrote: »
    Food for thought guys, thanks very much! Will definately be keeping an eye out for more tips come Semester 2 when ye know what ye are doing.

    Did Marketing and Entrepreneurship myself in college and did enjoy it overall (so much coursework though!).

    It's a tough time - currently do have a job which is always nice...but do want the time to do the BP (and possibly branch out). But the job is the safety net at the end of the day. Unfortunately, by the sounds of it I wouldn't have any surplus time by doing the Masters either :D Must keep an eye on this, do some more research and think it over...and over...

    With you having done marketing and entrepreneurship already, you will definitely have covered quite a lot of the first semester material as I have said above.
    There are a few people in the class who are balancing a part-time job and the college workload, and it helps that college is only on Wednesday - Friday, so you have 4 days a week "free" so to speak - although this is rarely the case.
    I myself work in Thomond Park whenever there is an event there, and I managed it ok.

    I would recommend that you email the course director with any additional questions about the course as she is really helpful. The director changed from Naomi Birdthistle to Briga Hynes during last semester and you can email her Briga.Hynes@ul.ie

    For next semester, we have been emailed out the course outlines for 3 out of the 5 modules we will be studying, and I will outline them briefly now:

    Internationalising Entrepreneurial Ventures
    The module will comprise of two elements – an in-class case study exam and a final end of Semester exam each worth 50%.
    I'll give more information on the case study as it becomes available.

    Family Business: Generational Challenges and Growth
    100% COURSEWORK =
    Thought Paper 15% (individual) week 2
    Article Review 15% (individual) week 5
    Journal article review 15% (individual) week 8
    Family business analysis 55% (group or individual) week 12

    Again more details as the semester progresses.

    Managing International Business Growth

    60% project assignment based upon the business plan from semester 1.
    Same groups apply from that module to this one.
    This looks to be a very time consuming, and extremely detailed project, and is due in Week 11, and each group has to present to a panel of 3 judges in week 12 also. There is also apparently a monetary reward for the top two of €600 and €400 respectively.

    There is also a 40% final exam to complete the module.

    These are initial course outlines, and I'll give you more details in due course.
    PM me with specific questions about anything.

    I would highly recommend that you email the course director though, as she will help persuade you or answer any doubts that you might have.


  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭Bellies


    Private mail for you there Sabre0001. Graduated from this course in '08!
    might be some useful points for you!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Mossin


    Bellies wrote: »
    Private mail for you there Sabre0001. Graduated from this course in '08!
    might be some useful points for you!

    Hey Bellies, any chance of forwarding that info to me as well?

    When you graduated was it from the 2 year course?


  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭Bellies


    I graduated 2 years ago.

    What info you looking for exactly? Send me a Pm with all ur questions. No bother.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Mossin


    Semester 2 has seen some repetition of material covered in semester 1 which really annoys me. The rehashed module title "Internationalising Entrepreneurial Ventures" is basically just international marketing. And considering that we covered pretty much all aspects of marketing last semester I'm not impressed with this module.

    Business Consulting is a great module, but it requires lots and lots of effort. We are working in groups of 5/6 and are working with a real client based in Dublin, and have to do research for them. We then present this data in a report and present the information in front of the client in Week 12. This module is taking over my life right now.

    Family business is a tediously boring module, in which we have to write 3 15% accounts on what a family business is - with each one being just different enough to the previous project to make you have to start from scratch. The final 55% is a group project based on a family business. We are doing it on Heineken and its somewhat interesting as a result. The course notes are given out at the beginning, and we have to suffer through a 3 hour lecture each wednesday afternoon.

    Managing International Business Growth is based upon the business plan from semester one. It essentially expands upon the operations plan, and makes the business plan more feasible. Not a bad thing if you have done a good plan in semester one. You can work in different groups, or as I am doing staying with the same lads.

    Small business economics is quite interesting. The lecturer really engages with the material, and later today I'm going to interview an owner/manager as part of the 50% assignment due. The module starts with basic microeconomics, so those who ahve done it before have an advantage, but that material is only useful for the project, and is not examinable. The final exam is based entirely on policy stuff - we are just starting that now.

    Oh yeah, I almost forgot, I have to submit my thesis proposal this week also [thats week 7]. This is on top of the 5 modules that this masters does. And another thing, the thesis is 25,000 - 35,000 words. This is 3-4 times bigger than the Marketing Consumption masters, and the Msc in International Global Business Mgt [which only do 4 modules a semester also]

    I'm happy enough with the course overall, it covers a vast array of material, and offers a great understanding of what is requried of owner/managers starting up an SME. The thesis point is something that is bugging quite a lot of students, but tbh I really dont mind.
    I would recommend the course to those interested in entrepreneurship and/or marketing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    i reckon this will be my back up masters option if i dont get a first its basically in the topic of what i want to do and im guessing its not that hard to get into with a 2.1

    the modules seem good accept for that family business one although i wonder do business's like toyota count

    what do you think your thesis will be mossin?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Mossin


    All family businesses count - trust me, there is a fairly epic debate about what is / isnt a family business. It happens in week 1, and is about the only interesting aspect of the module imo.

    My thesis is going to be on the usage of ICT in SME's.

    My revised proposal is due on Wednesday, and as of this minute my working title is : "To explore the usage of ICT in small firms with a particular emphasis on website management" - I will be focusing on micro firms in a particular industry as I'm interested to know how many firms with less than 10 employees have developed websites and what they use them for. This focuses attention on the 2 key questions – ICT and then website management as a result.

    Btw, this masters only needs a 2:2 degree afaik, but if you have any interest at all, you will be considered. If you are interested I would recommend that you speak to the course director as soon as possible. I was outside her office last week when she was interviewing someone for the course.

    The class size is pretty small, and its almost first come first serve as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭klong


    No interest in the course- but I must say that if people want to see how they should discuss a course, its pros and cons, this is the way to do it. Good work lads.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    Mossin wrote: »
    All family businesses count - trust me, there is a fairly epic debate about what is / isnt a family business. It happens in week 1, and is about the only interesting aspect of the module imo.

    My thesis is going to be on the usage of ICT in SME's.

    My revised proposal is due on Wednesday, and as of this minute my working title is : "To explore the usage of ICT in small firms with a particular emphasis on website management" - I will be focusing on micro firms in a particular industry as I'm interested to know how many firms with less than 10 employees have developed websites and what they use them for. This focuses attention on the 2 key questions – ICT and then website management as a result.

    Btw, this masters only needs a 2:2 degree afaik, but if you have any interest at all, you will be considered. If you are interested I would recommend that you speak to the course director as soon as possible. I was outside her office last week when she was interviewing someone for the course.

    The class size is pretty small, and its almost first come first serve as well.

    cheers ye im only a 3rd year so have loads of time and assuming i get a first ill be applying to masters abroad as a priority but this one jsut about suits my needs if i dont get my first choices


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭rmacm


    Mossin wrote: »
    All family businesses count - trust me, there is a fairly epic debate about what is / isnt a family business. It happens in week 1, and is about the only interesting aspect of the module imo.

    My thesis is going to be on the usage of ICT in SME's.

    My revised proposal is due on Wednesday, and as of this minute my working title is : "To explore the usage of ICT in small firms with a particular emphasis on website management" - I will be focusing on micro firms in a particular industry as I'm interested to know how many firms with less than 10 employees have developed websites and what they use them for. This focuses attention on the 2 key questions – ICT and then website management as a result.

    Btw, this masters only needs a 2:2 degree afaik, but if you have any interest at all, you will be considered. If you are interested I would recommend that you speak to the course director as soon as possible. I was outside her office last week when she was interviewing someone for the course.

    The class size is pretty small, and its almost first come first serve as well.

    If you've got any IT questions feel free to ask as always. Although I may be drunk when I answer :P


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