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12-12-2009, 12:38   #1
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Pope says IRISH church needs overhaul!!!

After the visit from Ireland’s Catholic Primate Cardinal Seán Brady and Archbishop Diarmuid Martin of Dublin (because of the Murphy report) the Pope prompts this headline in the media-
"Vatican signals Irish church faces major overhaul"

Am I the only one that is outraged at the hypocrisy of the pope?!!!!
For those who don't know why I am angry, this is why -
Back in 1962 a document was published by the vatican entitled "Crimen Sollicitationis" (In Latin), it was an order sent to all Bishops Archbishops, Cardinals, and heads of religious orders on how to exactly deal with an accusation of childhood sexual abuse by a cleric. This document was unearthed back in 2003 during a sexual abuse case in America. It is proof for an organised VATICAN cover up.
Here is a little piece of the document in english-
"Anyone involved in a sex abuse investigation, the accuser and the accused, are to be restrained by a perpetual silence...in all matters, and with all persons, under the penalty of excommunication."

Excommunication is a religious censure used to deprive or suspend membership in a religious community. The word literally means putting [someone] out of communion. In some religions, excommunication includes spiritual condemnation of the member or group. Censures and sanctions sometimes follow excommunication; these include banishment, shunning, and shaming, depending on the religion, the offense that caused excommunication, or the rules or norms of the religious community.
It more or less means that no-one will ever talk to you again, family or otherwise, and you will go to hell.

Shut your mouth or go to hell.

Why hypocrisy you say?-
Cardinal Joseph Ratsinger issued this CONFIDENTIAL order, he is now the Pope.
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Moved from Anthropology, Sociology & Culture.

Maybe Christianity (or even CT) would be a better place for it, I'm not sure.
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Moved from Anthropology, Sociology & Culture.

Maybe Christianity (or even CT) would be a better place for it, I'm not sure.
I think CT would be best.
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So what like you think it is the French Catholic Church that needs an overhaul ?
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It's the whole catholic church that needs the overhaul, he keeps implying it is not a world-wide issue. Read my post again.
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This document was unearthed back in 2003 during a sexual abuse case in America.
It wasn't "unearthed," because it was never hidden in the first place.

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It is proof for an organised VATICAN cover up.
I'm afraid not. It merely lays down the ecclesiastical procedure for dealing with priests who use the sacrament of Penance to make sexual advances. This is in no way an effort to shield priests from the civil or criminal law.

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"Anyone involved in a sex abuse investigation, the accuser and the accused, are to be restrained by a perpetual silence...in all matters, and with all persons, under the penalty of excommunication."
I'm afraid you are grossly misrepresenting this document, which deals with the procedure to be followed in an ecclesiastical trial. It does not impose silence on victims of abuse, or prevent them from taking the matter to civil or criminal courts.

Frankly, I see no point in leaving this thread open.
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