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Climate Change or Global Warming as it used to be called.

  • 17-10-2009 11:27AM
    #1
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭


    Who all believes in this Climate Change idea? Seems that alot of people are split on it. We can't really call it Global Warming since the world was warmer in the late 90's but I've no idea what to believe really. I'm definately inclined to believe that it's lies. Ice Ages / Medieval Warm Period etc. show that things change of their own accord.

    So post some proof and convince me that we're changing the world in a bad way.

    Are we changing the weather? 145 votes

    Yes
    0% 0 votes
    No
    100% 145 votes
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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't know for sure. I think the lack of sunspots has had a part to play in our unusual weather over the last couple of years. I'd say that we're causing some damage to the planet but it's not all man made.


  • #3
    Bob_Harris
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    Mankind, CO2, is not the source of global warming climate change.

    The planet is so vast, the climate so complex, the effects on climate so numerous, that to pinpoint CO2 as the lone gunman is ridiculous.

    There is no great war of our times, so a collection of society have created this war on global warming climate change to fill the empty void which is their lives.

    Man-made global warming climate change is a huge money spinner. From companies guilting you into buying their product which will help save the world, from governments imposing unjustified and pointless carbon taxes.

    There is as much, or more, evidence and statistics pointing to different sources for the recent global warming climate change as there is supporting the theory of man-made global warming climate change.


  • #4
    mp3guy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭mp3guy


    You shouldn't be allowed vote on this until you've seen an inconvenient truth (this will debunk your "it's cyclical and natural" claims). And come on, it's not like its a religion, it's scientific fact.


  • #5
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Climate change is a natural phenomenon but best to make it our fault so governments can make some money.


  • #6
    afatbollix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,159 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    Look I dont know how man made CO2 is making a difference, If you put it into google the first link says that we only make 5% of co2 a year.

    To be honest I think if it can be greener we should use it, but all the carbon taxes should be banned.


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  • #7
    afatbollix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,159 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    mp3guy wrote: »
    You shouldn't be allowed vote on this until you've seen an inconvenient truth (this will debunk your "it's cyclical and natural" claims). And come on, it's not like its a religion, it's scientific fact.

    Prove it


  • #8
    Bob_Harris
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    mp3guy wrote: »
    You shouldn't be allowed vote on this until you've seen an inconvenient truth (this will debunk your "it's cyclical and natural" claims).

    I've already seen that scaremongering piece of propaganda thank you very much.
    mp3guy wrote: »
    And come on, it's not like its a religion, it's scientific fact.

    No it's not, it's statistical coincidence. I've created a graph which shows my masturbation habits closely mirroring the recent climate variations, therefore I must be the cause of global warming climate change.


  • #9
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    mp3guy wrote: »
    You shouldn't be allowed vote on this until you've seen an inconvenient truth (this will debunk your "it's cyclical and natural" claims). And come on, it's not like its a religion, it's scientific fact.

    No it's not. It's applying an analysis or swapping a metric or outright ignoring collated data to prove your point.
    An inconvenient truth?
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7037671.stm
    There you go.
    Shoddy science. A poor movie. An unbalanced point. How can governments legislate based on such shoddy science?


  • #10
    mp3guy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭mp3guy


    I should've known better than to start a discussion with people in AH.


  • #11
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    mp3guy wrote: »
    I should've known better than to start a discussion with people who disagree with me.
    FYP. I don't take too kindly to insulting comments about AH thanks all the same.


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  • #12
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    If always been cynical of this "man-made" climate change theory. The earth has warmed and cooled regularly millions of years.

    Volcanic activity in the past has produced far more CO2 than humans have and the planet was not severly damaged for it.

    I've not saying we should'nt be taking better care of the environment but there are a lot of people who are scaremongering and using climate change to justify raising taxes or promoting certain goods and these people need to be challenged.


  • #13
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    My name is URL wrote: »
    The problem is that the people in charge of stopping it have turned it into a bargaining chip to gain support

    IMO,
    only an idiot would say that Climate Change isn't happening..
    only an idiot would say that it's the fault of humans for causing it..
    and only an idiot would choose to ignore it because of that...

    It's happening, whether it's natural or caused by man, and instead of arguing about it, we should be figuring out ways of dealing with it

    .


  • #14
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,255 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Considering the vast amounts of CO2 we produce, I think we do have an effect on the climate. For me, the question is how much (I'm not particularly educated on this topic). The earth does go through cycles of climate change and I think we are accelerating it, but I am suspicious if it is as bad as goverments tell us and wants to tax us on. Though that may be more down to my feelings about governments :o

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  • #15
    irish_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭irish_bob


    i dont know whether man is causing climate change but i tottally accept that its happening for the simple reason that i believe my eyes , we have had the three wettest summers on record in succession this past three years , thier are no light showers anymore , only deluges , ask any farmer in rural ireland whether or not its wetter now than it used to be and you will be left with little doubt about climate change


  • #16
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    irish_bob wrote: »
    i dont know whether man is causing climate change but i tottally accept that its happening for the simple reason that i believe my eyes , we have had the three wettest summers on record in succession this past three years , thier are no light showers anymore , only deluges , ask any farmer in rural ireland whether or not its wetter now than it used to be and you will be left with little doubt about climate change

    But surely climate change should be studied in the context of the history of the climate rather than one farmer's view based on three wet summers?


  • #17
    irish_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭irish_bob


    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    But surely climate change should be studied in the context of the history of the climate rather than one farmer's view based on three wet summers?

    the past decade has been wetter than any other previously , i live in rural ireland , i talk to farmers on a regular basis , my brother is a full time farmer , farming has become increasingly difficult this past number of years due to the unprecedented levels of rainfall , year on year


  • #18
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    irish_bob wrote: »
    the past decade has been wetter than any other previously , i live in rural ireland , i talk to farmers on a regular basis , my brother is a full time farmer , farming has become increasingly difficult this past number of years due to the unprecedented levels of rainfall , year on year

    But surely in the light of the vast amount of climate information we have, many hundreds / thousands of years and further, and change that has been affected in ten years is statistically irrelevant?
    I mean you can't bury your head in the sand and say that CO2 levels are perfectly reasonable. But we have to accept that many of those claims about the level of impact on the climate are not accurately represented. You place an idea in the mind of the public about climate change. Then suddenly you have a rainy summer and climate change is upon us. It just is not that straight forward.


  • #19
    Diabhal Beag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    Our solar system is changing so it's not just the Earth that has problems. The universe is changing at a rapid speed.


  • #20
    Kev_ps3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭Kev_ps3


    Its a fairy tale.. Like the 'War on Terror' and Religion. All about control, money and power.


  • #21
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    [QUOTE=My name is URL;62576975
    It's happening, whether it's natural or caused by man, and instead of arguing about it, we should be figuring out ways of dealing with it].[/QUOTE]If it's happening because of natural causes how would you suggest we stop it?


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  • #22
    Ciaran500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    If it's happening because of natural causes how would you suggest we stop it?

    He doesn't suggest we stop it.


  • #23
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    My name is URL wrote: »
    .
    Ciaran500 wrote: »
    He doesn't suggest we stop it.
    Ok if you want to be that exact how does he suggest we deal with it. If it is natural nothing we do will have any effect.


  • #24
    wudangclan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭wudangclan


    Originally Posted by My name is URL
    The problem is that the people in charge of stopping it have turned it into a bargaining chip to gain support

    IMO,
    only an idiot would say that Climate Change isn't happening..
    only an idiot would say that it's the fault of humans for causing it..
    and only an idiot would choose to ignore it because of that...

    It's happening, whether it's natural or caused by man, and instead of arguing about it, we should be figuring out ways of dealing with it

    what are you doing quoting that idiot?


  • #25
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    I drove to Belfast last week and when I got back it started raining, fact! Climate change, we're all going to die, 2012, the end.
    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    Considering the vast amounts of CO2 we produce, I think we do have an effect on the climate. For me, the question is how much (I'm not particularly educated on this topic). The earth does go through cycles of climate change and I think we are accelerating it, but I am suspicious if it is as bad as goverments tell us and wants to tax us on. Though that may be more down to my feelings about governments :o
    In the grand scale of things we don't produce vast amounts of CO2, we contribute additional CO2 but we're nothing compared to oceans, decaying biological matter the list goes on. CO2 is not that big a problem there are other things we do that are far, far more damaging to the environment and while the world is focused on something we have absolutely no control over these ecological crimes go unchecked. The polluters get away with murder and all they need to do is buy carbon credits to get away with it.
    mp3guy wrote: »
    You shouldn't be allowed vote on this until you've seen an inconvenient truth (this will debunk your "it's cyclical and natural" claims). And come on, it's not like its a religion, it's scientific fact.
    An inconvenient truth is a load of arse and has been shown to be arse by just about every scientist worth their salts. Big Al has been called out on it many times, his book has been banned from schools in the UK because it's bunkum and he lies about that fact whenever he's asked about it. And do you really trust an American politician to give you a straight honest answer?


  • #26
    mukki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,669 ✭✭✭mukki


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Ok if you want to be that exact how does he suggest we deal with it. If it is natural nothing we do will have any effect.


    we put up with it,


    no more hay or turf.
    Build Shopping centers with covered car parks.
    kids get a lift instead of walking or cycling to school

    in fact every thing i think of were already doing.

    Recycling instead of landfill is still good


  • #27
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    So the general consensus around here seems to be

    “Man made climate change doesn’t exist (or doesn’t matter) because there is a certain amount of naturally occurring climate change anyway”

    By the same logic one might as well argue

    “Smoking never killed anyone becauses sometimes non-smokers get cancer too” :rolleyes:


  • #28
    wudangclan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭wudangclan


    the question shouldn't be are we causing it/is it natural?
    the question should be how do we stop it cause it's gonna fuck us up.


  • #29
    espinolman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭espinolman


    I think climate change is caused by man , but it is not caused by CO2 , no they are doing with HAARP and chemtrails .


  • #30
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    I think climate change is caused by man

    I blame the wimmen myself :D


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  • #31
    bleg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    I'm no expert on it. The vast majority of the scientific commuity support the view that humans are causing climate change.

    Your natural inkling would lead you to believe that the world is so vast and how could humans have such a big effect but most physics is completely counter intuitive.

    Good introductory article here http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9903-instant-expert-climate-change.html


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