Originally Posted by humberklog
Well it's easy to rattle the keyboard in disgust, I do it when I see swans.
Mind you the photo has a history of controversy from the outset, still hanging and provoking. It's a provocative shot, it does exactly what it says on the tin, then as now. The photographer will still be walking the streets and the photo will always find a home, I don't see a few little ruffles over the keyboard here and now to spell any significance to it's overall future.
So we shouldnt bother discussing it?
Let the general madness of internet hysteria turn into the usual media outcry and then of course protests outside the gallery etc etc.
Its sure as hell not my favourite image, and i doubt very much ill go looking for it in the future, so the future of the image isnt quite what i feel is up for discussion here.
More the attitude and paranoia that permeates through everything we do nowadays, especially as photographers.
Originally Posted by spurious
I am of Brooke Shields' vintage and there were very few ten year olds in our day knew anything about make-up. I know nowadays we have pre-pubescent kids dressing in 'Playboy' outfits and the rest, but back then we didn't.
I know its only wikipedia but its a start.
Shields' career as a model began in 1966, at the age of 11 months. Her first job was for Ivory Soap, shot by Francesco Scavullo. She continued as a successful child model with model agent Eileen Ford, who, in her Lifetime Network biography, stated that she started her children's division just for Shields. In early 1980 (at age 14), Shields was the youngest fashion model ever to appear on the cover of the top fashion publication Vogue magazine. Later that same year, Shields appeared in controversial print and TV ads for Calvin Klein jeans. The TV ad included her saying the famous tagline, "You want to know what comes between me and my Calvins? Nothing." By the age of 16, Shields had become one of the most recognizable faces in the world, because of her dual career as a provocative fashion model and controversial child actress. TIME magazine reported, in its February 9, 1981 cover story, that her day rate as a model was $10,000. In 1983, Shields appeared on the cover of the September issue of Paris Vogue, the October and November issues of American Vogue and the December edition of Italian Vogue.
I would suggest Brooke knew a little about make up by this point no?
Originally Posted by spurious
Even if we leave the make-up out of it -
The pose is dodgy - slightly turned hips, exposed torso?
I can't see how it could be taken as not provocative, when the subject is a ten year old child, wearing heavy eye make up.
The photos in the series where she sits and plays in the bath are not as problematic, but the one of her standing, covered in oil/sweat/whatever it is, with the golden light from the windows reflected on the front of her torso is very creepy.
I wouldn't be calling for the photographer's arrest or anything, but he certainly knew what he was doing when setting the photo up.
I think we have established that the image is provocative, and i made the wrong choice of words earlier on.
However is this a bad thing? Does it get people thinking about how we view children, and how children are viewed?
Or does it frighten us as to what might be out there viewing the picture, while we feel uncomfortable that others might think that we are that "might"?