Garda seek permission 2have browser history

TriciaDelicia · 09-11-2008 1:01am #1

Yes. It's true. The Gardaí are making a formal request to Vodaphone O2 etc. that they hold on to all browser history used by all users in case they need it for future cases against "suspected criminals". They are using the case of murderer Joe O'Reilly as evidence of its use.
Is this a breach of your human rights?
Should these companies be allowed to hold on to this information?
If the Garda say 'such & such' is a SUSPECTED criminal is this enough to breach their rights?

Jay D · 09-11-2008 1:03am

maybe it's just to cover areas they already aren't covering.

It is a breach of human rights but the thing about it is, if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. It is putting a stop to filesharing maybe sometime soon.

Stay away from childporn though.

Run_to_da_hills · 09-11-2008 1:03am

Zillah · 09-11-2008 1:03am

Well that's worrying. No idea what the legal standing is, but I'd have thought they'd need a warrant to get any sort of personal info like that. I presume this is mobile browsing considering you mentioned o2 and Vodaphone? Anyone know how it works with normal home internet?

Jay D wrote: »

It is a breach of human rights but the thing about it is, if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. It is putting a stop to filesharing maybe sometime soon.

I hate this argument, it's used all the time. You have a right to privacy, any attempt to circumvent that should be a very serious matter. The argument "you have nothing to worry about if you haven't done anything wrong" just doesn't cut it. The state should have the bare minimum of power it needs over the citizens that it serves.

TriciaDelicia · 09-11-2008 1:09am

Zillah wrote: »

Well that's worrying. No idea what the legal standing is, but I'd have thought they'd need a warrant to get any sort of personal info like that. I presume this is mobile browsing considering you mentioned o2 and Vodaphone? Anyone know how it works with normal home internet.

No I didn't just mean mobile internet its with all the companie that supplies internet access. Vodaphone etc. can be used as 'normal home internet' but yeah all browsing history is included whether mobile or not.

ScumLord · 09-11-2008 1:11am

BALLS!!

*deletes message history*

MagicMarker · 09-11-2008 1:12am

Does this mean i can't look at kiddie porn anymore?

Sharpshooter · 09-11-2008 1:12am

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

But you really wanted to put :mad:.
My post was going to be " Hang on , its not Run_to_da_hills.":eek:

monkeyfudge · 09-11-2008 1:13am

But they're only supposed to carry information on you that is used for billing.

Browser history isn't relevant to billing you.

tony1kenobi · 09-11-2008 1:14am

Your service provider can already access all that information so what odds does it make if the cops can too? I have nothing to hide. It's why I don't wear clothes at work. I am a lollipop man. Currently seeking work, upon release.

Run_to_da_hills · 09-11-2008 1:14am

TriciaDelicia wrote: »

Yes. It's true. The Gardaí are making a formal request to Vodaphone O2 etc. that they hold on to all browser history used by all users in case they need it for future cases against "suspected criminals". They are using the case of murderer Joe O'Reilly as evidence of its use.
Is this a breach of your human rights?
Should these companies be allowed to hold on to this information?
If the Garda say 'such & such' is a SUSPECTED criminal is this enough to breach their rights?

Source?

You should always back up your posts with links.

old boy · 09-11-2008 1:14am

if you cant cover your tracks dont go

HalloweenJack · 09-11-2008 1:14am

I believe the old "1984 was a warning, not a manual" chestnut needs dusting off.

Dyr · 09-11-2008 1:15am

yep, its cos they can't get access to browser histories that the cops havent been able to nail anyone for a gangland hit since veronica guerin :pac:

Sharpshooter · 09-11-2008 1:16am

MagicMarker wrote: »

Does this mean i can't look at kiddie porn anymore?

Childish post imo......:pac::p

TriciaDelicia · 09-11-2008 1:18am

Sorry I know my source is mediocre it was in the Star the minute I saw it I thought I'm gonna freak them feckrs on boards out tonight. lol

GhostInTheRuins · 09-11-2008 1:18am

Source?

Edit: nevermind

Jay D · 09-11-2008 1:18am

Zillah wrote: »

Well that's worrying. No idea what the legal standing is, but I'd have thought they'd need a warrant to get any sort of personal info like that. I presume this is mobile browsing considering you mentioned o2 and Vodaphone? Anyone know how it works with normal home internet?

I hate this argument, it's used all the time. You have a right to privacy, any attempt to circumvent that should be a very serious matter. The argument "you have nothing to worry about if you haven't done anything wrong" just doesn't cut it. The state should have the bare minimum of power it needs over the citizens that it serves.

don't even get me started on how bad we are actually 'governed'.

it is bull**** but maybe the very least of the actual level of corruption practiced every single day.

Zillah · 09-11-2008 1:20am

Bambi wrote: »

yep, its cos they can't get access to browser histories that the cops havent been able to nail anyone for a gangland hit since veronica guerin :pac:

Haha

HalloweenJack wrote: »

I believe the old "1984 was a warning, not a manual" chestnut needs dusting off.

Explain please. Where should we draw the line?

Run_to_da_hills · 09-11-2008 1:20am

The Gardai don't have to go near the ISP's for this information at all, they can go directly to the UK Authorities for this seen as they are both bedfellows on this "war on terror", wooops, NWO. :eek:

http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=574

http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=492

Sharpshooter · 09-11-2008 1:22am

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

sharpshooterH wrote: »

But you really wanted to put :mad:.
My post was going to be " Hang on , its not Run_to_da_hills.":eek:

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Source?

You should always back up your posts with links.

:D:D:D

Lillyella · 09-11-2008 1:36am

How readily available is your browsing history to your ISP's anyway?

And exactly what have they got access to? Full emails?

Biggins · 09-11-2008 1:56am

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Source?

You should always back up your posts with links.

Garda chief asks mobile phone firm to retain web-browsing data

Here is where I read it, don't know where the OP read it.

Friday, November 7, 2008
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1107/1225925540654.html

DETAILED INFORMATION on the web pages people view will be retained for possible future criminal investigations if telecommunications operators comply with a letter from the Garda Commissioner.
The request for real-time web-browsing information - the content or the web address (URL) of every web page browsed by users of mobile handsets, palmtop devices or 3G modems - goes beyond the European Union's data retention directive, which the Government intends to implement as a statutory instrument.
Such a measure would cover the content of web-based email. "The directive does not pertain to the retention of content, and this would be very concerning," said Deputy Data Protection Commissioner Gary Davis.
Industry sources confirmed last night that Vodafone - the largest mobile service provider in the State - had received a letter from the Garda Commissioner.
The Irish Times understands that the chief executives of O2 and 3 Ireland have not yet received the letters requesting the subscribers' browsing history to be retained, although the Garda Commissioner is believed to want to make retention of internet data a requirement for all mobile broadband providers.
Industry sources indicated that Vodafone has met Garda representatives to discuss the letter. Vodafone executives are believed to have questioned the legal basis under which it could retain this data.
Representatives of Vodafone, O2 and 3 discussed the letter at a meeting with Mr Davis yesterday. The meeting had been called to discuss a separate undisclosed telecoms regulation matter
It is understood the request for the web content is based on an appeal to telecommunications operators to act as "good citizens" and aid criminal investigations if asked to do so.
Ireland's draft statutory instrument, which must bring in the EU directive in full, allows for the retention of traffic information relating to phone and mobile calls - already retained in Ireland under legislation passed in 2006 - and also introduces new requirements for the retention of internet data. However, the content of calls or e-mails, or details on webpages browsed, is excluded from the directive and its disclosure would conflict with existing European data protection legislation.

Long story short, if your want to keep your privacy in regards to files locked, data in emails attached as files, use PGP (Pretty Good Privacy), the latest version you can get.
Its the only one they so far can't crack.
They might be able to see what you are seein gon the net but keeping your hard data to yourself is another story.

Info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy
http://www.pgpi.org/
http://www.heureka.clara.net/sunrise/pgp.htm
etc...

A word of warning: if you lose your encryption keys, consider your data gone for ever.
Not a good thing to encrypt your entire hard drive!
Its the ultimate tool but you HAVE to know what you are doing.

FruitLover · 09-11-2008 2:04am

Lillyella wrote: »

How readily available is your browsing history to your ISP's anyway?

And exactly what have they got access to? Full emails?

Well, seeing as everything you access goes through them, they could potentially see every piece of unencrypted data you send or receive over the internet.

That's why I use Tor for my kiddie porn.

Er... I mean...

the_syco · 09-11-2008 2:32am

If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to worry about.

That is, until one of those f**king pop-ups is from a dodgy site, and then you're f**ked.

To paraphrase it: you've done nothing wrong, until we something that is.

Run_to_da_hills · 09-11-2008 2:35am

Forget about any encryption, "what you make they can break" Remember the squiggle guy that had his image decrypted?

Biggins wrote: »

Garda chief asks mobile phone firm to retain web-browsing data

Here is where I read it, don't know where the OP read it.

Friday, November 7, 2008
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1107/1225925540654.html

You beat me to it :mad:

Sharpshooter · 09-11-2008 2:46am

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Forget about any encryption, "what you make they can break" Remember the squiggle guy that had his image decrypted?

You are making me scared now........../ and I've done nothing wrong.:pac:

Biggins · 09-11-2008 2:54am

Forget about any encryption, "what you make they can break" Remember the squiggle guy that had his image decrypted?

Thats was a reversal of a picture using a photoshop tool (if we're talking about the same guy).
Any one good with professional graphics app could do it. I could.

PGP is the only one at the moment that encrypts info/data at a higher rate than is possible to uncrypt.
Even a simple password is encrypted so much so that using the entire Langley super computers it would take them something like 10,000 years to descramble the password code alone.

To the best of publicly available information, there is no known method which will allow a person or group to break PGP encryption by cryptographic or computational means. Indeed, in 1996, cryptographer Bruce Schneier characterized an early version as being "the closest you're likely to get to military-grade encryption."[1] Early versions of PGP have been found to have theoretical vulnerabilities and so current versions are recommended. In addition to protecting data in transit over a network, PGP encryption can also be used to protect data in long-term data storage such as disk files.

The cryptographic security of PGP encryption depends on the assumption that the algorithms used are unbreakable by direct cryptanalysis with current equipment and techniques. For instance, in the original version, the RSA algorithm was used to encrypt session keys; RSA's security depends upon the one-way function nature of mathematical integer factoring[2]. Likewise, the secret key algorithm used in PGP version 2 was IDEA, which might, at some future time, be found to have a previously unsuspected cryptanalytic flaw. Specific instances of current PGP, or IDEA, insecurities — if they exist — are not publicly known. As current versions of PGP have added additional encryption algorithms, the degree of their cryptographic vulnerability varies with the algorithm used. In practice, each of the algorithms in current use is not publicly known to have cryptanalytic weaknesses.

Any agency wanting to read PGP messages would probably use easier means than standard cryptanalysis, e.g. rubber-hose cryptanalysis or black-bag cryptanalysis i.e. installing some form of trojan horse or keystroke logging software/hardware on the target computer to capture encrypted keyrings and their passwords. The FBI has already used this attack against PGP in its investigations. However, it is important to note that any such vulnerabilities apply not just to PGP, but to all encryption software.

In 2003, an incident involving seized Psion PDAs belonging to members of the Red Brigade indicated that neither the Italian police nor the FBI were able to decode PGP-encrypted files stored on them.

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy#Security_quality
(There are other confirming sources too)

I have PGP. A day after I got it, I was questioned (by FBI email) as to why I wanted it. Told them to mind their own business.
The simple answer was ...security! ...Like duh!

It was illegal at one stage to share PGP across American state borders but the Internet killed that idea of stopping it getting out.
The best the authorities (everywhere) can do now is try and keep track of who is using it.

Note: The FBI/CIA etc NEVER admit that they cannot crack it (if the passwords alone are long enough) due to they not wanting folk to know that they fail. Instead, a number of times they admitted that its's "near impossible!" - they still want folk to think that they can actually access data - when they can't!

Randi · 09-11-2008 3:03am

So if I use next doors and do something illegal, would it not be them that gets in trouble

Biggins · 09-11-2008 3:06am

Randi wrote: »

So if I use next doors and do something illegal, would it not be them that gets in trouble

If you can turn yourself invisible, get in and out of the house without leaving your DNA, not leave footprints, no witnesses etc...

If you can do all that and more, you should be breaking into Fort Knox with those talents! LOL

Randi · 09-11-2008 3:09am

Biggins wrote: »

If you can turn yourself invisible, get in and out of the house without leaving your DNA, not leave footprints, no witnesses etc...

If you can do all that and more, you should be breaking into Fort Knox with those talents! LOL

I'll plant somebody else DNA that I dont like, ill copy there finger prints and paste them somewhere. so tempting

Garda seek permission 2have browser history

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