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  • 11-08-2008 11:59am
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    death1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭


    Well I a building my own PC and on the advice of more knowledgable folks on this forum I have come up with this build. Its mainly a gaming PC but I ain't a total GFX junkie so I am just looking for longevity rather than top quality GFX settings.
    build1sc7.jpg

    Is it okay, any price savings to be had?

    EDIT: Build Updated, Mod PM'ed to move thread.


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    Terran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭Terran


    If it's a gaming PC you might want to drop the Processor back a model and up the graphics card a model. Maybe go for a Core 2 Duo E6600 and increase your graphics card to a 9800GTX or 8800GTS512 (Important that it's a GTS512 and not a 320 or 640, more powerful chipset in the GTS512).


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    death1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭death1234567


    Cheers Terran, another quick question, On the site it has Boxed and and Tray CPU's, would I be better buying a tray CPU and then get Arctic Cooling AC-FRZ-7P Freezer 7 Pro Socket 775 Processor Cooler


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    Terran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭Terran


    If the overall price is similar then definitely go for the tray CPU with the third party cooler, that cooler looks fantastic for the price.


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    death1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭death1234567


    Okay Here's the new build, I am ready to order?
    build2lw6.jpg


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    Sqaull20
    Registered Users Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Sqaull20


    Looks very good.

    Are you going to overclock?

    If you are dont get the P31 board, it has a 400fsb block, you will get max 3.0ghz on that cpu with that cooler and the board ( I have that board ), its a fine board for moderate overclocking, but it should be around €30 imo not €45.

    Get the Asrock P35 for a few euro more,

    http://www1.hardwareversand.de/1V6WMW-qSrgTlO/articledetail.jsp?aid=20524&agid=659

    HD4850 is much faster than a 8800gts, same price

    http://www1.hardwareversand.de/1V6WMW-qSrgTlO/articledetail.jsp?aid=22318&agid=717

    Your case wont be in stock for 2 weeks, they will ship all the parts together so your talking 5 to 6 weeks if you wait for it.


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    Sqaull20
    Registered Users Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Sqaull20


    Overclocking results with a P31 Ds3l

    E6850 @ 3.60ghz ( 400 x 9 ) board wont do anymore ( has block ).

    http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=401194

    E6600 @ 3.25ghz ( 360 x 9 )

    http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=401303

    As you can see the board likes high multis and doesnt go past 400fsb.

    An E2180 with a multi of 10 for €43 can hit 3.50ghz on that board ( tested myself ) thats the cpu I would be buying if on a budget.Knock that past 3.20ghz and you will be flying past a stock Quad.


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    death1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭death1234567


    Sqaull20 wrote: »
    Looks very good.

    Are you going to overclock? (If you are dont get the P31 board)
    I hadn't planned on overclocking, but never say never so I will get that board -->Asrock P35, as its only a few extra quid and its nice to have options.
    HD4850 is much faster than a 8800gts, same price
    I looked it up HERE, but the numbers mean nothing to me, how do I tell which is better.Not that I don't trust you of course ;).

    I am in no rush so the case delay is no biggie, but I might look at another case anyway just in case. This one looks nice

    Thanks for all your help. :)


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    Sqaull20
    Registered Users Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Sqaull20


    Good choice, that Asrock board is a steal.

    Good user review here

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=176485&highlight=Asrock+P35

    I find Guru3d and experview very good for card reviews.

    HD4850 mathches a more expensive and heavily overclocked 9800gtx in every game, it would be 20% faster on average over 8800gts you picked.

    http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-ati-radeon-hd-4850-review-force-3d--powercolor/11

    http://forums.gamernode.com/showthread.php?t=21071


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    death1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭death1234567


    Is it worth paying the extra €20 for HWV to do the dead pixel check on the screen?

    Final Build:
    build4dx2.jpg


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    jonny72
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    What is the response on the monitor?

    The ASUS 22 inch only has a response time of 2ms, is v good for gaming, I think its around 200 euros..

    You really intent on Vista? I find XP much better for gaming and only requires 2 gigs of ram, might save you enough to get a bigger better monitor..

    See how the price just keeps growing and growing..

    AAhh but its easy to justify if you are gonna use the PC all the time, just scrap a few drinking nights..


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    Terran
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    I have an issue with the Radeon card, as in, as of this week, the NVIDIA 8 series card has hardware Physics Acceleration as well as Graphics Acceleration. On PhysX enabled games you'll notice a marked visual and performance improvement using the 8800GTS512 instead of the Radeon.


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    papu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    Terran wrote: »
    I have an issue with the Radeon card, as in, as of this week, the NVIDIA 8 series card has hardware Physics Acceleration as well as Graphics Acceleration. On PhysX enabled games you'll notice a marked visual and performance improvement using the 8800GTS512 instead of the Radeon.

    no and no?

    games take a huge hit with PhysX on the GPu ,

    Ati has Havok Acceleration , and ATI IQ is always Said to be better , Plus its Faster.

    ALso , 30euro case is a bit dodgey


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    Terran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭Terran


    :) There's no hardware physics acceleration on ATI GPUs. None.

    And if you pull some new benchmarks you'll see NVIDIA comfortably in the lead.


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    papu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    Terran wrote: »
    :) There's no hardware physics acceleration on ATI GPUs. None.

    And if you pull some new benchmarks you'll see NVIDIA comfortably in the lead.

    sorry your wrong..
    http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37907/135/

    and really no , 4850 is best band for buck , supports dx10.1

    heres it holding off a Gtx
    hl2-1680.gif
    cod4-1680.gif

    full review here
    http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/14967


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    PogMoThoin
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    Terran wrote: »
    And if you pull some new benchmarks you'll see NVIDIA comfortably in the lead.

    I wouldn't call this comfortable. Ati is the best value for money ATM, HD 4870 is 15% less performance than GTX 280 for 60% of the price, after Nvidia were forced to cut their price to compete, was less than half the price at first.


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    death1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭death1234567


    jonny72 wrote: »
    What is the response on the monitor?
    5ms, I was told that's all I would need on a 22" monitor.

    Yeah its pricy but screw it, I should get a few years out of it.


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    #18
    papu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    death1234567 wrote: »
    5ms, I was told that's all I would need on a 22" monitor.

    Yeah its pricy but screw it, I should get a few years out of it.

    yeah that's a standard response should be great :D


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