Convert petrol car to run on biofuel(E85)?

MYOB wrote: »

Conspiracy theories forum for you matey.

Firstly, Maxol aren't 'selling out' to Topaz. There is not a hope in hell that any merger you've imagined there would ever be allowed by the Competition Authority. Indeed, as the Topaz chain was built over the years (Jet + BP to make Statoil, then Statoil + Shell to make Topaz) they had to dispose of stations; most of which Maxol bought!

Secondly, Topaz aren't an oil company, they're a retailer and nothing more. They don't import their own fuel, don't do home heating oil, don't do anything other than forecourt sales.

The local station to me Maxol in Sallynoggin which did E85 is now a blinking Topaz station with no E85

So now I got to trek to sandyford to get E85 fuel

The maxol in harolds cross is a small station and seeems to have decided not to do E85 or at least when I looked for E85 pup i couldnt find it

So ltes see if enogh swaps of stations are made and maxol gat lots of small stations where they wont supply E85 and Topaz gets all the big stations hwere they wont supply E85 where will you be able to buy E85???

and E85 will go the way of the DoDo thanks to some very clever gbuying ansd selling or rather swopping methods to kill of E85

The difference is most folk think a lot of things just happen but if you study the ability of the big coperations to make things happen the way the wnat to and still look like its nothing to do with them then you see the pattern and you have a half a chance to stop the process going the way they want

Fact are independence from oil imorts with home grown fuels is good for ROI

Facts enslavement of the ROI energy users to only one type fossil fuels is best for oil and gas companies (often the same ) so death of any and preferably all alternitives is manditory to gaining enslavement of the ROI

Now the mission if you wish to accept it is to device a stratergy that will ensure this series of events will happen by 2012 bearing in mind the oil companies are sitting on probably 1000 years of known supplies of oil ( they have the true data on reserves we don't )which they don't tell us plebs about
Then they can get rid of all alternitives with cheap prices if they need tobut the preference is slowly and descretly with lots of little incremental moves like close down forecourts for maintinace or proerty developers or sell of outlets to non E85 suppliers and swop outlets out for unsuitable forecourts where its not suitable to sell E85 whatever

The LPG movement was killed off and the E85 will be killed off if enough people let the so called free market forces which wil be warped to suit decide the future fuels

So I think i would be very foolish to consider to invest ~E600 in a converton kit if there is such a severe risk to the supply of that fuel

Now if the the sellers of E85 kits would wake up and lobby to protect E85 fuel sources and the greens made eneogh noise that E85 fuel supplies must be supplied by at least 50% of the garage chains Topez Texeco the lot then pushing E85 will be a lot more likely to happen as there would be some commitment to the fuel type beyond just price
Then we also need the comitment that ROI will make at least 80% of the ethanol in ROI and start ramping tax up on E5 and using that increased tax to pay for reducing tax on E25 or E85 fuels

Then we will start employing unemployed farmers and using land that is presently not used like Carlow region where sugar beet is gone
We will help reduce our CO2 emmision and then pay less of a fine in exceeding our kyotoo agreements

If we allow the oil companies to have their way and kil off E85 we will yet again be enslaved to oil
We will pick up a hefty bill from exceeding CO2 limits and we the tax payers and high tax petrol users will get a double whamy a hike in tax to pay for not planning a good future for E85

Derry

VH wrote: »

that merger was allowed by accident

independent newspaper wrote:

snip...
Wednesday October 11 2006
A MIX-UP at the Competition Authority has resulted in the unconditional sale of Statoil to Topaz Oil going ahead without any ruling from the watchdog.

The Authority said last night that the deadline for the €285m deal passed this week without a determination being made. The Irish Independent has learned that this is due to a technicality, which resulted in the Authority missing out on making its decision by one day.

Brown envelopes

E85 RIP

Derry

This Thread has started out to infer saving from E85

My knowelge is concurrent with yours about the need to have ~30% more E85 fuel to do the same work

I personaly have no expection that E85 will save me money when E85 cost E0.99 euro and petrol around dublin is costing average E1.25 euros

Now if petrol costs were like germany some E1.70 Euros a liter then E85 is a no brainer it cheaper buy alrge amount even with add on jit convertors

Presently with the costs of fuel as they are running a mix of ~ 25% E85 and ~75% E5 making a E 20 fuel mix my own car a NON FLEX FUEL car with NO ADD ON KITS returns similar MPG and saves some 10% in running costs


However as the Modern Myths out there infer to use any or some or all E85 on most NON FLEX CARS will break them will deter most persons mixxing fuels without a bona fida kit ( which as JimmyCrackCorn! say above is a fudge job wont break the engine but doesnt solve the all the issues )


However the issues of the benifits from using E85 exceed the minor debates about economy of fuel

Ireland Imports 92% of its fuel from somewhere else
We live in unstable world where most of that fuel is is somewhere not good like middle east and Russia all of which could explode into war or fuel embargos whatever

Then when it comes to dividing out the remaining fuel we in Ireland can expect sqaut nada nothing as the bigger countries in EU which control the pipe line will ensure they get rump of this fuel and we will be lucky to get anything

Then if you have been clever eneogh to have tested your car for suitabilty for E85 or fitted some suitable kit then you can at least have access to another fuel

But if every car in Ireland could use E85 and there was a suffient supply to drive all cars in Irealnd and the money remained in Ireland and the economy was less affected from a oil embargo the results would not suit the oil companies when oil would come back on stream

Brazil a so called backward country ran the oil companies in 1979 after getting thier faces ripped and by 1989 were able to tell the oil companies to get lost they were not needed surplus to requirement s

If you think oil companies are going to let pip squek little Ireland dictate terms to them then expect a serious responce and big guns rolled out to shoot E85 dead before it gets a grip on big sectro of the market


Funny the Maxol station in Sandyford had run out of E85 today when a friend of mine went to get it and they said next delivery will be wensday

So has two customers me and my friend used the whole stock of it or is the next trick delay deliveries and annoy the users the next trick

When or if the big guns decide to kill E85 the chances for it to continue are very slim as WE IN ROI DONT SEEM TO HAVE OR EVEN WANT TO HAVE THE ABILTY OF THE BRAZILIANS TO DICTAE TERM TO THE OIL COMPANIES

Derry