macau barring, comment away

dougee19 · 03-12-2006 7:47pm #1

listen to this and tell me if you dont agree. Bought into the 300 event and due to **** running it was 40 minutes too late before it actually kicked off.
but 10 minutes before it actually kicked off 5tables starting dealing hands, ken had called for the main event to start playing again, i wasnt 100% sure he only meant the main event so i stood up and checked the timer around the corner, they said we hadnt started so i went down and stopped them all from playing
one tables had played a hand and someone doubled up and a player was gone, i went up and told ken, noone else did, the dealers still thought they should have been dealing. So the player who doubled up got pissed off because he had doubled his chips so early, he started giving out and saying all of them had started but then i said 3 of the 5 never even played a hand, the two bottom tables had.
Ken then flips out at me and tells me to shut up and stay out of it, i walk away and leave it at that. He calls me up around 2 hours later, starts giving out to me and saynig i shouldnt have interfered and should have minded my own business, pretty strange seeing as if i hadnt there would have been a lot more contraversy. i told him he should run his tournament better and then he barred me, he told me to leave straight away
i demanded a refund, which he wouldnt give, so he said to keep playing. and then i said i have a ticket for tomorrow, "am i allowed to play?". he agreed and said when you get knocked out dont ever come back in
pretty harsh i thought at the time
i then get a drive in from bishopstown today and arrive at the casino at 6 o'clock. To find out he wont leave me in, wont even come to the door to explain himself, i am actually a regular in the casino, know almost everyone that goes in there

I think this is a total and utter **** decision and the power has gone to his head

any thoughts?

cardshark202 · 03-12-2006 7:56pm

Wow sounds mad if this is the whole story. Its put me off ever heading down there that's for sure.

ianmc38 · 03-12-2006 7:59pm

cardshark202 wrote:

Wow sounds mad if this is the whole story. Its put me off ever heading down there that's for sure.

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dougee19 · 03-12-2006 8:00pm

whole story, have around 5 witnesses, even said i could play today(6pm) and when i turned up i wasnt allowed in and he wouldnt even give me a refund on the spot. i have to go back in Tuesday
they must be short of cash or something

and that is the whole story, he thought i was giving cheek so he decided to bar me, didnt even check the whole story.
i cant even see where he thought i was giving cheek either
total bull in my opinion

Lafortezza · 03-12-2006 8:01pm

Does Ken or somebody from the Macau post here?

dougee19 · 03-12-2006 8:02pm

yeah they have a profile called macau club.
i'd love to see him try to reason it though, cant wait for Tuesday either

Mr. Flibble · 03-12-2006 8:11pm

It sounds pretty ridiclous. Nothing I could do about the barring, but I would be very very pissed if he didn't refund me.

dougee19 · 03-12-2006 8:16pm

yeah i was thinking the same thing. they cant not refund me, €250 ticket, which i could have sold. They took it aswell today so they definately have to refund me, still really pissed off about the barring too
i mean i really am a regular, have been in the top 5 in cash game hours for about a year now. Been getting them a good bit of business from hosting tourney there too, so he can go screw himself now.
i understand he was stressed because he actually had to do work this weekend and he wasnt used to it, but that went too far in my opinion

DeVore · 03-12-2006 8:22pm

I heard about the tables starting too early but I didnt hear anything about this (not surprising really, I was playing on the other side of the casino). To be honest, I'd be very surprised if it was this simple as every story has two sides but regardless of who is saying what, can we all say it civilly, thanks...

DeV.

dougee19 · 03-12-2006 8:28pm

yeah fair enough, i actually want him to post on here to be honest. This is the second time he has freaked out at me for no reason, and the reason why you didnt hear it is because i didnt bother telling most of the regulars i was banned. Around 15/20 know alrite, and his reasoning behind it was because i was being too cheeky and should shut up more. Not sure where he got from but thats the reason im barred apparently

PiperT · 03-12-2006 8:40pm

dougee19 wrote:

yeah fair enough, i actually want him to post on here to be honest. This is the second time he has freaked out at me for no reason, and the reason why you didnt hear it is because i didnt bother telling most of the regulars i was banned. Around 15/20 know alrite, and his reasoning behind it was because i was being too cheeky and should shut up more. Not sure where he got from but thats the reason im barred apparently

Sounds to me like there's a history between you guys and that there's more to this than meets the eye. You are entitled to a refund though.

NickyOD · 03-12-2006 8:43pm

Whatever about the tournametn starting early I don't see why you should be barred for voicing your opinion. Seems really ridiculous, and another on a long list of ridiculous barrings at the macau IMO.

dougee19 · 03-12-2006 8:49pm

PiperT wrote:

Sounds to me like there's a history between you guys and that there's more to this than meets the eye. You are entitled to a refund though.

there isnt really a history, there was one incident 2months ago, where he over ruled the card room manager and the dealer in a hand which i was in(against me), where he gave a different ruling to another player 2 weeks before that.
So that caused some friction between us, but i in now way acted out of turn yesterday. Even the dealers who he was talking to were shocked when he said it because he was givin no reason to. I didnt act like a pr*** or anything, and i have plenty of witnesses for that.

andin reply to nicky's comment. very true...
he has barred a lot of people and their last card room manageer quit because of him and also lost a very big time player in cork
im my opinion, i believe that the power has gotten to his head. He thinks he is above everyone else and can do what he wants. He makes fun of a lot of the players, when they do it back he cant take it
it is ridicuolous

kincsem · 03-12-2006 11:35pm

Poker rooms seem to treat players differently in situations where the club holds a dominant position, compared with situation where many clubs are competing.

I don't know anything about the poker scene outside Dublin, but I'm wondering is the Macau the only club / or the major club in Cork? Is the Macau storing up ill-feeling that might be a negative for the club in a more competitive situation?

Duff Man Jr. · 03-12-2006 11:55pm

Sounds like a case of "I was bullied in school, and now its my turn"

RoundTower · 04-12-2006 12:44am

I was there. The guy who "doubled up" (I assume you know who it was, he is a regular there) came to tell us about it after the fact. The Macau is a really nice cardroom but I was not impressed with the way it is run, there were other issues which I felt were handled badly. Incidentally I understand the table had played more than one hand when Ken decided to start the tournament again from scratch.

Mr. Flibble · 04-12-2006 1:29am

Could he not just have stopped the action on the tables that had started and let the other tabels catch up? Seems farer than taking somebody's chips away.

karlh · 04-12-2006 3:06am

i had 4 hands played out at my table and a huge hand developed in the 5th. the player (who was well ahead) involved was well pissed off.

the correct ruling was made though. the tournament wasnt started officially and as much as it hurt those who had made some headway, the official announcement has to be gospel. 1 dealer started in error and a few followed suit. the players who were seated just played along.

the guy who had doubled up and knocked someone out took it well eventually, and i dont think its fair to take this out of context to put the club in a bad light.

the macau is a fantastic cardroom and the false start in the side event was dealt with perfectly IMO.

dougee19 · 04-12-2006 10:51am

karlh wrote:

i had 4 hands played out at my table and a huge hand developed in the 5th. the player (who was well ahead) involved was well pissed off.

the correct ruling was made though. the tournament wasnt started officially and as much as it hurt those who had made some headway, the official announcement has to be gospel. 1 dealer started in error and a few followed suit. the players who were seated just played along.

the guy who had doubled up and knocked someone out took it well eventually, and i dont think its fair to take this out of context to put the club in a bad light.

the macau is a fantastic cardroom and the false start in the side event was dealt with perfectly IMO.

i actually agree with the ruling, however i dont agree with him shouting at me in the cardroom and giving out to me for interfeering even though i am the person who actually stopped the play from continuing on my table and 2 others and told him about the other tables playing.
I think he really over-reacted and after what happened yesterday by not letting me play that tournament i think that he really over-stepped the boundary

karlh wrote:

Poker rooms seem to treat players differently in situations where the club holds a dominant position, compared with situation where many clubs are competing.

I don't know anything about the poker scene outside Dublin, but I'm wondering is the Macau the only club / or the major club in Cork? Is the Macau storing up ill-feeling that might be a negative for the club in a more competitive situation?

yes it is the main cardroom in cork, there is a smaller one but is nowhere near big enough to be serious competition so he thinks he can do what he wants. Im not the first to be barred without good reason, i just want him to justify it, after i meet on Tuesday if i dont get a good enough reason i'm pming him on here to try and justify it in public.
Am actually really pissed off with this

BIG-SLICK-POKER · 04-12-2006 7:22pm

I taught it was handled correctly and i think if u had not got involved with Ken u would have had no problem All u had to say was the dealers have started already and walked away and im sure there would have been no problem . To be honest it was a false start and he dealt with it the way the house rules apply .... I know u had gone over to ken to tell him about it as he was dealing with it but later on the problem was wen ken told ya to stay out of it and u inadvertantly said "go **** yourself" or "**** off" and no manager in any club will take this , This only fuelled the situation doug .

The Sheriff 101 · 04-12-2006 7:43pm

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote:

I taught it was handled correctly and i think if u had not got involved with Ken u would have had no problem All u had to say was the dealers have started already and walked away and im sure there would have been no problem . To be honest it was a false start and he dealt with it the way the house rules apply .... I know u had gone over to ken to tell him about it as he was dealing with it but later on the problem was wen ken told ya to stay out of it and u inadvertantly said "go **** yourself" or "**** off" and no manager in any club will take this , This only fuelled the situation doug .

Are you sure this was not right after he was barred ?

PS Are you Michael Douglas

dougee19 · 04-12-2006 9:12pm

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote:

I know u had gone over to ken to tell him about it as he was dealing with it but later on the problem was wen ken told ya to stay out of it and u inadvertantly said "go **** yourself" or "**** off" and no manager in any club will take this , This only fuelled the situation doug .

okay, whatever you heard or just made up is off the mark. I didnt say "go **** yourself" or "**** off", dont curse havent for over a year, and yes i know this sounds weird but its true, ask anyone i know or even the dealers in the casino.
just curious, where did you hear this?

The Sheriff 101 wrote:

PS Are you Michael Douglas

yeah

fixer · 04-12-2006 10:18pm

Ken's pretty famous for his overreactions, especially when it involves someone pointing out his inconsistent rulings and his lack of backbone in making rulings. He has 2 gears - quiet and not wanting to be involved, or pissed off and abrupt. You'd be wise to start noticing what mood he's in if you ever want to talk to him.

It's kind of a rite of passage at the Macau...spend enough time there and you're bound to be barred for something.

dougee19 · 04-12-2006 10:52pm

fixer wrote:

It's kind of a rite of passage at the Macau...spend enough time there and you're bound to be barred for something.

so true that its now my signature

Fungiii · 05-12-2006 2:13am

Why don't we follow kens good work and ban this guy douglas from here too!

RasTa · 05-12-2006 2:32am

Few Macau lurkers popping up. This is why I don't visit Cork city, West Cork now, I hear that's where to be.

siucra1 · 05-12-2006 4:42am

doug i here ur always lookin 4 trouble.it was only a matter of time

BIG-SLICK-POKER · 05-12-2006 4:55am

To be honest u dont get barred from clubs for nothing and Managers reserve the right to deal with the card rooms and casino floor in what way they see best for the other players around and on the floor ,

I would also like to say i have been playing in the Macau At most big events and ill be back down Thurs for the monthly €200 game but i still feel that you were not barred or put out for absolutely nothing , The way it was said to me doug was that u did tell Ken to "**** Off " or something to this degree and Ken is a man u dont cross as he has a Zero Tolerance policy that no matter how big the player or how much they play there the club comes first ......

By the way mate i know u were probably just pissed off when u posted this but living in Cork and Poker Being A loved hobby of yours , I really think u should have bit ur lip on this occasion as now there is no goin back on the decision as u have now made it open for public view .....

I have to say i am an independent player and have 2 clubs myself and am in no way directly linked to the Macau but since the first day i have laid foot in the front Door from Tommy - The floor staff to the managers and to the Corkerys themselves i have felt welcome and have enjoyed the games and atmosphere in the club .....

This is not a stab @ yourself doug i just think u should think about your posts before u write them as u will regret them in the long run as there is no other large poker room or games in Cork and u will miss it when it is taken away from u ...

Neill K
Big Slick Card Club Carlow
The K&K Card Club Clonmel
Big Slick events

Lafortezza · 05-12-2006 5:01am

This is one of those threads where it's almost just a matter of time before me muso or dom has to step in and lock/delete.

Not pointing at anyone in particular here, but keep it polite, no accusations and no messing please. It'd be good if someone from the Macau came on to give their side.

The Sheriff 101 · 05-12-2006 5:12am

siucra1 wrote:

doug i here ur always lookin 4 trouble.it was only a matter of time

Ive played against Michael on a few occasions and i find this hard to believe

AmarilloFats · 05-12-2006 10:51am

Sounds an unfair banning.
I have been to the macau twice, this guy Ken is bizarrely rude and obnoxious. I mean, he's short of taking a dump on yer shoe. It wasn't quaint or charming, it was 'orrible.
There are some posts in the tournament section regarding this.

macau barring, comment away

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