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Road Traffic Bill 2006

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    maidhc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,550 ✭✭✭maidhc


    Victor wrote:
    What is a practical way of getting all the previous acts in computer form, so I can create a restatement?

    Convert a PDF Act into text and keep it looking understandable?

    No. I wrote a VBA script for BAILII that did it reasonably well, but could never get it to work without a lot of user intervention due to all the anomalies in the presentation of Irish legislation.

    The Irish Statute book CD/Website will shortly be updated to 2005. They get chinese people to do the work!


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    Thirdfox
    Registered Users Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    That's Chinese with a capital C thank you! ;):p


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    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,310 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    I've pulled the more recent ones from here: http://www.oireachtas.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=/documents/bills28/acts/default.htm&CatID=53&m=a

    The way they are presented on http://www.irishstatutebook.ie would be "tiring" to download.


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    ambro25
    Registered Users Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭ambro25


    Long-winded and not for the faint-hearted, but *should* work:
    (i) download in pdf and, provided that it was in cpu form to begin with (and not a scanned image consequently pdf'ed),
    (ii) text-select tool,
    (iii) copy/paste in Notepad or Word (Notepad may be faster, as 'modern' Word tries to get html hooks etc. into the pasting as well),
    (iv) save one *.doc for each version, then
    (v) get Word to do the Bill#01.doc vs Bill#02.doc comparison for ye ;)


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    maidhc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,550 ✭✭✭maidhc


    Victor wrote:
    I've pulled the more recent ones from here: http://www.oireachtas.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=/documents/bills28/acts/default.htm&CatID=53&m=a

    The way they are presented on http://www.irishstatutebook.ie would be "tiring" to download.

    Click "print act"

    ambro's solution isn't bad, but gets a bit screwed up by the marginal notes and page numbers.


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    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,310 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    What? And kill 53 baby trees in the process?

    Page names in the format of http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1993_14.html (year_act number) give you the whole act in one html page, a few clicks away from a spread sheet with one paragraph per cell. Only up to 2003 I think.

    [cartman voice]Swee-eet[/cartman voice]


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    Alun
    Registered Users Posts: 21,436 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Many OCR packages will "scan" and read PDF files, which can then be saved as .doc files amongst others. Abby Fine Reader (which I have) is one of them, and does a pretty good job.

    Not knowing what a "restatement" is, I'm not sure exactly what it is you're trying to achieve.


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    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,310 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Alun wrote:
    Not knowing what a "restatement" is, I'm not sure exactly what it is you're trying to achieve.
    A restatement is where a series of similar acts, each amending the previous (rathering that repealing) are incorporated into a single document. There are 11 Road Traffic Acts and its difficult to keep track of whats in and out.

    http://www.attorneygeneral.ie/slru/restatements.html


    Road TRaffic Act, 1961.
    Road Traffic (Amendment) Act, 1973.
    Road Traffic (Amendment) Act, 1978.
    Road Traffic (Amendment) Act, 1984.
    Road Traffic Act 2003.
    Road Traffic Act, 1933.
    Road Traffic Act, 1961.
    Road Traffic Act, 1968.
    Road Traffic Act, 1994.
    Road Traffic Act, 1995.
    Road Traffic Act, 2002.


    Road Transport (No. 2) Act, 1933.
    Road Transport Act, 1932.
    Road Transport Act, 1933.
    Road Transport Act, 1934.
    Road Transport Act, 1935.
    Road Transport Act, 1956.
    Road Transport Act, 1971.
    Road Transport Act, 1978.
    Road Transport Act, 1986.
    Road Transport Act, 1999.
    Roads (Amendment) Act, 1998.
    Roads Act, 1993.


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    maidhc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,550 ✭✭✭maidhc


    Victor wrote:

    Road TRaffic Act, 1961.
    Road Traffic (Amendment) Act, 1973.
    Road Traffic (Amendment) Act, 1978.
    Road Traffic (Amendment) Act, 1984.
    Road Traffic Act 2003.
    Road Traffic Act, 1933.
    Road Traffic Act, 1961.
    Road Traffic Act, 1968.
    Road Traffic Act, 1994.
    Road Traffic Act, 1995.
    Road Traffic Act, 2002.


    Road Transport (No. 2) Act, 1933.
    Road Transport Act, 1932.
    Road Transport Act, 1933.
    Road Transport Act, 1934.
    Road Transport Act, 1935.
    Road Transport Act, 1956.
    Road Transport Act, 1971.
    Road Transport Act, 1978.
    Road Transport Act, 1986.
    Road Transport Act, 1999.
    Roads (Amendment) Act, 1998.
    Roads Act, 1993.

    Is the Roads Act 1920 not still in force to some degree also?

    And don't forget all the references in the Finance Acts, and about 10 million different SIs.

    More importantly though, is anyone else of the view the RTA 2006 goes too far in allowing the Minister make SIs. I know AnCo, and Leontjava set a pretty low bar, but all the RTA seems to do is give the minister broad undefined powers to make secondary legislation.


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