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19-02-2006, 10:57   #1
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RTE Regional TV experiments

As well as the "Munster matters" experiment in the 1970's as mentioned on the Irish TV site RTE had some rather shortlived experiments with Regional TV in the 1980's (TV northwest, TV Southeast etc) and sometime aroud 1994 IIRC there were regional news beoadcasts arround 6.30 in the evening for a few weeks.

Anyone remember these or have any idea why they were shortlived. I dont remember the 1970's/80's attempts but I did see some of the 1990's effort when I was in Dublin and thought the few programmes I saw were fairly well done although there were complaints in some parts of Ireland that people viewing via some relay transposers were getting the wrong region.
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There are two recent ones I remember - the Six-One regional news opt-outs in the early 1990s (around 1994 possibly is correct) and the more recent "Regonal Nationwide" (oxymoran?) - it was actually called Nationwide Here and Now and involved three opt outs, one for Dublin, one for the West of Ireland and one for Cork. IIRC only one segment in each programme was an opt out and it was in the Friday slot.

The problems had to do with cable viewing. IIRC every Chorus Digital viewer got the West of Ireland opt, even if they were in Dublin. For my own part I got the Dublin opt on cable, but the network feed on terrestrial.

Trying to find some examples from RTE.ie, but they seem to have been removed. Strangely, no Friday night Nationwides are available from Spring 2002...

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Tis very sad the lack of regional programming, given the total culture gap between the pale (Western Britain) and the rest of us (the Celts)
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Screenshot here - http://www.iolfree.ie/~icdg/local.htm - yes I know that site badly needs updating, its really something I have to get around to doing...
I don't plan to update any of my sites anymore I was so impressed with Byte's wiki and Siteground I got my own
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I gave editing rights to a bunch of PIC/JAL enthusists..

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Tis very sad the lack of regional programming, given the total culture gap between the pale (Western Britain) and the rest of us (the Celts)
None of us are celts according to some historian, and i think RTE did a programme on that, he die a few years ago. I think????

As for regional tv thank god we never got it in this country. Irish TV is bad enough with out Regional TV.
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None of us are celts according to some historian, and i think RTE did a programme on that, he die a few years ago. I think????
Surely we are all (just like our friends across the water) a *bastardised mixture of Celts, Vikings, Normans, Spaniards , Anglo-Saxons, That lot who were in Ireland before the Celts (Dont ask me to remember at this time of the night ) and whoever else was passing through.

* = Which if anything is something to be proud of since inbreeding is not good
Of course it shouldnt matteradamn since dwelling too much on ethnic-classification is not good either (see Europe sixty years ago or The Balkins, Rawanda etc more recently)

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As for regional tv thank god we never got it in this country. Irish TV is bad enough with out Regional TV.
Although I wouldnt be RTE's biggest fan I thought they made a reasonable fist at regional TV on the few occasions I saw it

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Of course it shouldnt matteradamn since dwelling too much on ethnic-classification is not good either (see Europe sixty years ago or The Balkins, Rawanda etc more recently)
Northern Ireland/Ulster/Six Counties. (Don't want to offend anyone).

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Although I wouldnt be RTE's biggest fan I thought they made a reasonable fist at regional TV on the few occasions I saw it
I am just not a fan of Local ****!
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Ulster has 9 counties. Though some in N.I. don't seem to realise that. I guess N.I.T. doesn't sound as good as U Tv.

The "English" Celts got pushed into Wales and Cornwall by the Angles, Saxons, Normans etc. The only real "Britons" left are in Wales
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I agree about the lack of necessity for regional television in Ireland; it was merely done before because it was possible rather than because it was needed. When/if DTT comes on stream, no doubt similar silly proposals will be made just because it is possible to do. We're simply too small to have any real cultural differences - not that they even exist in the UK either to the extent that regional television there would have us believe.

Ireland by and large does not need regional television, not least for the most part because it's generally muck, save the odd factual programme or two. It merely forces a contrived and stilted, ironically almost non-existent cultural difference on viewers. In Ireland, a strong regional service means only one thing: a furthering of relations between Dublin and 'the rest of the country' - something we could very much so do without. I don't have a problem with certain current affairs programmes opting out to deal with specifically local issues, but that is all.

RTÉ's funds are limited as they are - it would be wasteful to spread them even more thinly. And this does not come from a Dublin mindset that is already well-served; with the exception of the long overdue examples of 'Capital D' and 'The Bay', Dublin City gets just as much or as little coverage as any other area of the country.

And certainly do not regionalise the latter half-hour of Six One. The last thing we need is a currently decent half hour of prime time consumed with stories of firemen saving babies and announcements of multistorey car parks by the local FF councillor, as per BBC Newsline.
Good God save us all should that day ever arise.
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'Capital D' and 'The Bay',
Both should have been commissed for RTE TWO so that they could go out after Dublin Village. Yet again RTE's lack of Interest and confidence in the Second Channel.
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Ulster has 9 counties. Though some in N.I. don't seem to realise that. I guess N.I.T. doesn't sound as good as U Tv.
Watty you are being very NITpicky

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We're simply too small to have any real cultural differences - not that they even exist in the UK either to the extent that regional television there would have us believe.
Whatever about the Republic are you seriously suggesting there are "no real cultural differences" between say Boho (Fermanagh) and Brixton (London) !!!

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Ummm the Regional news broadcasts in 1994 were only abot 10 minutes

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Are you suggesting that National news is totally devoid of "human interest" drivel ?

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I agree about the lack of necessity for regional television in Ireland; it was merely done before because it was possible rather than because it was needed. When/if DTT comes on stream, no doubt similar silly proposals will be made just because it is possible to do. We're simply too small to have any real cultural differences - not that they even exist in the UK either to the extent that regional television there would have us believe.

Ireland by and large does not need regional television, not least for the most part because it's generally muck, save the odd factual programme or two. It merely forces a contrived and stilted, ironically almost non-existent cultural difference on viewers. In Ireland, a strong regional service means only one thing: a furthering of relations between Dublin and 'the rest of the country' - something we could very much so do without. I don't have a problem with certain current affairs programmes opting out to deal with specifically local issues, but that is all.

And certainly do not regionalise the latter half-hour of Six One. The last thing we need is a currently decent half hour of prime time consumed with stories of firemen saving babies and announcements of multistorey car parks by the local FF councillor, as per BBC Newsline.
Good God save us all should that day ever arise.
Well I disagree about Regional TV, but agree about Six One.

I have lived outside Belfast in the North for about 20 year,
In Belfast for 6 years
Nearly 2 years total in South Dublin
Over 1 year in Israel
About 5 months total in England
About 2 months total in USA
2 Years in Co. Clare village
About 14 years in Limerick City
About 7 years in Co. Limerick.

From my perspective Belfast and Dublin have more in common with each other than with the rest of Ireland. The Montrose/Donnybrook/Dublin "mindset" of RTE / TV3 is grating in the "provenances" as is often the oddly similar "Mindset" of UTV / BBC N.I.

Though we joke sometimes of Dublin being "Western Britian" it isn't much like Evesham / Avon area.

Revisiting N.I. (Carrickfergus, not Belfast) after a 10 year break for 6 months after a year in Israel was very, very painful. It was a relief to get back "home" to Limerick.

Regional programming "for the sake of it" is a waste of money and annoying to everyone. But good regional program making with the best showning nationwide would help national cohesiveness. One of Limerick papers now has sections from Polish, Russian, Chinese etc writers reflecting significant new aspects of "Irish" culture.

Irish Culture is neither just about Temple bar/ Dundrum etc nor Irish Dancing and singing in Ennis. RTE IMO has too narrow a view of "culture" and "ethnic".
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With that I would agree

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Whatever about the Republic are you seriously suggesting there are "no real cultural differences" between say Boho (Fermanagh) and Brixton (London) !!!
No I'm not. That's unfair to pick a Northern Ireland vs 'Mainland' example - of course NI of all places ought to have a regional television service. I refer mostly to the regions within England - there is often a forced cultural difference generated by the regions that can be patronising and condescending. Perhaps it's just my experience of Newsline and South West, but aside from basic news stories and some programmes of specific local interest I find regional television, outside of news and indeed too much news, an unnecessary distraction, done merely because it is do-able for stuffy out-dated notions of what public service broadcasting should be.


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I know that - just losing a sizeable chunk of Six One to regional is entirely possible under DTT. A regional service that separates Ireland into an east-west situation will only service to reinforce the divide between the urbanised east and less-developed west, heightening even more what is often perceived as a Dublin self-absorption amongst its people, and similarly with rural and the west in particular. I've never liked the idea that you are told what to watch by a broadcaster on the basis of where you live. If a programme outside of local news is good enough for some people then its good enough for all. Especially in Ireland where the entire population would fit at least twice over into the average BBC region.

To introduce a large-scale form of regional to Ireland would just be a joke. Just like the stupid fashionable media conventions that RTÉ so achingly copies from the UK in attempts to be seen as modern and progressive, regional would be yet another wasteful distraction that is fundamentally not needed in Ireland on any substantial basis.

Saying that, small-scale news items are do-able and certainly provide a useful service. An extended 10-minute 'news from our correspondents around the country' slot on Six One in regional form could work very well. Or a weekly discussion programme provided by each of the regions like 'Let's Talk' in BBC NI - again a worthy notion.

But even to regionalise something like Nationwide is fruitless and defeats the very purpose of the programme: to bring regions to a wider audience, and an audience that otherwise know nothing of these areas. The regionalising that happened with Nationwide encapsulates for me the difficulty with regional television - it slots viewers into categories, deeming certain material to be appropriate for you, and something else for someone else. Well I might live in Dublin and want to know about Kerry, and vice versa. The notion of being excluded from viewing material that others in the country are watching on the basis of where you live just doesn't appeal to me. For news, yes. For very limited current affairs, yes. Otherwise no.
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Some good points but...........
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The notion of being excluded from viewing material that others in the country are watching on the basis of where you live just doesn't appeal to me
Well if the broadcaster uses digital satellite (like BBC, ITV etc) then viewers still have the option of watching "out-of-region" programming
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