Grange Road DART station?

spockety · 19-01-2006 05:26PM #1

I've seen brochures for a new apartment complex out about donaghmede, claiming that there is a proposal for a new DART station at Grange Road, which would be right beside this new development, yet when I google for "Grange Road proposed DART station", all I can find is references to the estate agent brochures!

Does anybody have any info on when this DART station will be constructed, or if it's just a load of cock and bull from the estate agent in an effort to shift apartments?

Cheers.

John R · 19-01-2006 05:52PM

This was discussed here (i think) some time ago. AFAIR the story is that the developers wanted to build it themselves, proper transport links were a condition of the development approval and a train station was their solution.
Problem was they didn't consult IE who don't want a station here as it doesn't fit in with their plans for the northern line.

That was a while ago, things may be different now.

The same developers have consistently refused Dublin Bus permission to extend the 29a bus in to the development although they now plan to extend the route towards Baldoyle instead.

MarkoP11 · 19-01-2006 06:16PM

Yes a station is planned for Grange Road and it is shown on IE plans

It is to be paid for by the developer

The plans submitted last year by the developer where rejected by IE as they did not statisfy the design standards required for a modern station

spockety · 19-01-2006 10:40PM

So is it a condition of the development that a DART station be in place within a certain time period?

Or can the developers just keep submitting plans they know will be rejected?

How far off the design standards were they?

Are we talking 3-5 years before this station happens, or can things like that happen a lot quicker?

MarkoP11 · 19-01-2006 10:58PM

As I understand a condition on the north fringe/south fringe project is a train station, I'm not 100% but there should be a limit on the number of units they can build without the station actually open

The plans where rejected by IE as they claimed the design was poor in terms of passenger circulation space as well as issues with interchange with buses. There are well defined standards for these things. The station is the developers problem not IE

Victor · 19-01-2006 11:06PM

It is unlikely to be at Grange Road Bridge and is likely to be 600-800m further north.

That said, it would be useful, especially for orbital busses and for Baldoyle Industrial Estate (the current route from Howth Junction is via the FÁS site).

Iób · 19-01-2006 11:48PM

Permission for the station has been granted. A condition of the permission is the alteration of the design to meet CIE's specs. The design incorporates a bus/bike/pedestrian road across the railway. It is about 500/600m north of the Grange Rd.

One or more of the permissions granted by Dublin City Council on the western side of the railway specifies that not more than 1000 houses can be occupied before the railway opens. However, unless the condition can be interpreted to prevent the developer (Gannon) selling them this condition may not be operable. That said, the developer has every incentive to move this along and IE hope to open the station at the end of 2007/start of 2008.

Given the density and quantity of housing planned in the general area, you would be well advised not to plan to drive anywhere from these houses/apartments as all roads will be jammed. If you can get to where you need to go by Dart you should be fine.

Bluetonic · 20-01-2006 09:38AM

There was an article in the SB Post last weekend which indicated that IE and the developer had come to an agreement on the design of the station.

Unfortunealty I don't have the paper anymore to scan it in but article may be online.

www.sbpost.ie

MarkoP11 · 20-01-2006 10:10AM

Deal reached on Capital North rail link

15 January 2006 By Neil Callanan
CIE and Gerry Gannon are understood to have reached an agreement regarding the design of a railway station to service the 15,000 homes planned for the north fringe of Dublin. The area is in the vicinity of the Malahide Road/N32 junction and to the north and north-east of Darndale.

Gannon and CIE had had disagreements regarding the design of the station but these have now been resolved and Gannon will build it to CIE's specifications. A new planning application is expected to be submitted to incorporate the design changes.

A condition of the planning permission for the homes was that they could not be occupied until public transport was provided. However, a number of buyers have already moved into the scheme, which is known as Capital North, and has been provided with a private bus service from the development to bus routes on the Malahide Road.

In November, Dublin city manager John Fitzgerald expressed frustration at the delay in providing public transport to the area but the railway station deal is likely to assuage his concerns. Capital North is probably the largest development ever planned in Dublin and includes land in Dublin City Council and Fingal County Council's administrative areas.

There are more than 600 acres that can be developed on the site, which is the last large area of undeveloped land in the city council area. It was rezoned for housing in 1999.

The vast majority of the land is owned by Gannon, Shannon Homes, Ballymore Homes and Dublin City Council, and is to be developed to provide a new sustainable town with a potential population of 40,000 people.

More than 15,000 homes are likely to be built on the site and around 6,000 of them will be developed by Gannon. Planning permission has already been secured for over 5,500 of the units, nearly 3,600 of which will be developed by Gannon.

© The Sunday Business Post 2006
http://www.thepost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=COMMERCIAL-qqqm=nav-qqqid=10908-qqqx=1.asp

loyatemu · 20-01-2006 04:10PM

MarkoP11 wrote:

The plans where rejected by IE as they claimed the design was poor in terms of passenger circulation space

some of the existing dart stations are terribly designed in terms of passenger circulation - including recently rebuilt stations like Dunlaoghaire and Greystones.

MarkoP11 · 20-01-2006 04:21PM

Both predate section M 2000 of the building regs which made things a lot more complex. One of the issues in Grange Rd is the fact the station is built over the track and the space allowed around and the sizing of the staircases was insufficent

Greystones isn't that bad and Dun Laoghaire is slighty strange but compared to what it replaced it is a massive improvement, quite a few stations are over 150 years old, the new guidelines only apply to new or rebuilt stations

lostexpectation · 20-01-2006 04:22PM

loyatemu wrote:

some of the existing dart stations are terribly designed in terms of passenger circulation - including recently rebuilt stations like Dunlaoghaire and Greystones.

"a new sustainable town"

whats going to be sustainable about it?

John R · 20-01-2006 04:49PM

loyatemu wrote:

some of the existing dart stations are terribly designed in terms of passenger circulation - including recently rebuilt stations like Dunlaoghaire and Greystones.

Most of those stations have listed buildings so there has been limited avenues for changing them.

I think some people conveniently forget how old Irish railways are, Pearse-DunLaoghaire was the one of the first commuter railways in the world.

Greystones is boxed in by other buildings and DunLaoghaire is not bad at all, it used to be an absolute shambles with the old main buildings taken for the restaurant.

MarkoP11 · 20-01-2006 04:54PM

John R wrote:

Pearse-DunLaoghaire was the one of the first commuter railways in the world.

The oldest, opened December 1834

Given a green field you provide the best possible solution since you can and that will pay for itself in the future, no point building the stripped down station since a later rebuild is not going to happen without disruption

spacetweek · 21-01-2006 12:54PM

lostexpectation wrote:

"a new sustainable town"
whats going to be sustainable about it?

I suppose they mean the fact that the railway station is the centrepiece of the town. A better description is "a town based on rail commuting rather than driving." Like Adamstown south of Lucan will be, and Hansfield west of Clonsilla. We need more of those.

Victor · 21-01-2006 01:09PM

It will also have an east-west QBC (parallel and north of Clare Hall Road) from the start serving the station. The town centre will be 5-8 stories, with shopping, offices, etc. and the rest will be 2-5 stories, no bungalows on half acres.

spacetweek · 21-01-2006 03:00PM

Victor wrote:

It will also have an east-west QBC (parallel and north of Clare Hall Road) from the start serving the station. The town centre will be 5-8 stories, with shopping, offices, etc. and the rest will be 2-5 stories, no bungalows on half acres.

Forgot to say if you have Google Earth installed they have more up to date maps for this area than Gmaps. You can see the housing development under construction; it's happening very fast like they always do these days. Looks pretty dense.

Just a thought, the N32 designation officially ends at the junction with the Malahide road. I wonder if they're going to continue it on a new alignment through the new area? If you look on G-earth over at the coast road, you can see a new east-west road being built but I'm not sure if this is going to extend all the way to the N32 or not. It might just be access for the new development.

Winters · 21-01-2006 03:10PM

The Balgriffen by-pass is at design stage and shall actually go around the west of the Clare Hall junction and come out north of Campions. That road to the west is for the housing developments.

scorcher · 24-05-2006 03:33PM

Does anyone have a website link to a piece of legislation etc, that proves that this station is going ahead?? I sounds like its all a bit of hear say at the moment!!! Please Help if you can!

MarkoP11 · 24-05-2006 04:45PM

There is a planning condition on the north/south fringe site to provide a station before a certain set number of units are built.

Fingal/Dublin CC would have it on file

Dub13 · 24-05-2006 10:13PM

Loads of info on this site,its a message board for resident's who have moved in to one of the estates already.

http://www.beaupark.com/index.php

spacetweek · 20-12-2006 12:53PM

The latest news on this seems to be that there is a chance of major slippage. It has been mooted that the station will not even go to construction until 2009 (i.e. opens 2010) though apparently they may manage to open in 2008 yet - seems touch and go. (More discussion).

In any case, since the planning condition said that the station had to be open before any units had been occupied, they've still slipped, as residents have already moved in.

I believe Adamstown has also slipped - it had the same conditions, and I believe residents have now moved in though the station isn't opening until February. Though this isn't as bad a slippage as Capital North.

Grange Road DART station?

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