Magnet Networks tp launch 24MB service on Friday

smiaras · 17-11-2005 10:16am #1

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paulyx · 17-11-2005 10:22am

What is the requirements to receive these products ?

The reason I ask when I applied thru the whitehall exchange I was told 6 months to be able to get the full package is this not false advertisment.

smiaras · 17-11-2005 10:26am

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crawler · 17-11-2005 11:10am

smiaras wrote:

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And the upload speeds are...?

WizZard · 17-11-2005 11:38am

smiaras wrote:

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Not true, the current (as of today) fastest offer is www.cablesurf.com in Dungarvan, Co. Waterford - 9MB cable for €40 per month.

Snaga · 17-11-2005 12:30pm

crawler wrote:

And the upload speeds are...?

Anything up to 1.5Mb as per the ADSL2+ spec.

Most people wont get the full 24Mb anyway, its a case of 'buy this package and get as much as your line is able to get'.

skywalker · 17-11-2005 12:57pm

Are magnet wireless or adsl? Can you port over your number with them?

halenger · 17-11-2005 1:19pm

Magnet do both but he talks about exchanges in the initial post so that'd be some form of DSL - ADSL2+ as Snaga stated I guess?

po0k · 17-11-2005 1:24pm

And FTTH will be introduced when...?

4meg synchronous would be preferable to 24meg/1.5meg

Freddie59 · 17-11-2005 3:22pm

smiaras wrote:

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Sheeesh!! That's a bit stiff (even for 2 Megs).:eek:

paulm17781 · 17-11-2005 4:09pm

SyxPak wrote:

And FTTH will be introduced when...?

4meg synchronous would be preferable to 24meg/1.5meg

They do FTTH in new estates.

Praetorian · 17-11-2005 4:10pm

SyxPak wrote:

And FTTH will be introduced when...?

4meg synchronous would be preferable to 24meg/1.5meg

Ohh, I don't know about that now. I think most people would go for 24x1.5 rather than 4x4.

Sponge Bob · 17-11-2005 4:11pm

Snaga wrote:

Most people wont get the full 24Mb anyway, its a case of 'buy this package and get as much as your line is able to get'.

If you are living IN the exchange the max speed is 24Mb Down and 1Mb up.

The full speed of ADSL2+ as deployed by Magnet and Smart already would require you live within 2km of the exchange I would wager maybe a bit more. After that you are paying for a 24Mbit package when you can only get 10Mbit speed and should be on that package. I am not sure if the speed drop is equal on the up and down legs .

The same rapid drop as you move away from the exchange applies to all ADSL2+ operators . I assume that at c 2.5km its c.8 down and c.333k up or 33% of what you get at the door of the exchange in both directions.

Linkees.

Max Speeds and Comparison between ADSL (Eircom + BT) and ADSL2+ (Magnet and Smart) is Here

Downlink Speeds DECAY Rate in FEET up to 12,000 feet , 12k Feet is 2.4 miles or 4Km )

crawler · 17-11-2005 8:17pm

Sponge Bob wrote:

If you are living IN the exchange the max speed is 24Mb Down and 1Mb up.

The full speed of ADSL2+ as deployed by Magnet and Smart already would require you live within 2km of the exchange I would wager maybe a bit more. After that you are paying for a 24Mbit package when you can only get 10Mbit speed and should be on that package. I am not sure if the speed drop is equal on the up and down legs .

The same rapid drop as you move away from the exchange applies to all ADSL2+ operators . I assume that at c 2.5km its c.8 down and c.333k up or 33% of what you get at the door of the exchange in both directions.

Linkees.

Max Speeds and Comparison between ADSL (Eircom + BT) and ADSL2+ (Magnet and Smart) is Here

Downlink Speeds DECAY Rate in FEET up to 12,000 feet , 12k Feet is 2.4 miles or 4Km )

"IN" the exchange...funny - what a wonderful life that would be

eircom would charge you for the footprint area you stand in and air conditioning for the air you breath!!! Oh, and you could only get in there by crawling through the fibre into the place....then if you got sick, you would be charged for the Doctor to come out but if the wrong type of Doctor came out you would have to wait two weeks for the correct Doctor...you get the idea

philologos · 17-11-2005 10:14pm

Irelands back on par with the rest of Europe now hopefully

TomTom · 17-11-2005 10:43pm

I currently an on the trial with magnet on their 4 meg product. It excellent. The download from ftp.heanet.ie comes in mainly at 450KB/s but about a week ago it started to burst at 12Megs and came down after about a minute and a half to 4 meg. Download openoffice (80Meg) in a few minutes. The upload wavers between half and one and a half meg. Dones not bether me that much as i don't use it much. I live down beside heuston and am connected to crown alley, think thats about 3 kilomoters

OfflerCrocGod · 17-11-2005 11:52pm

Jakkass wrote:

Irelands back on par with the rest of Europe now hopefully

The rest of Europe is significantly cheaper though. Still I must confess I am happy to see these figures enter the Irish market finally.

Creamy Goodness · 18-11-2005 12:00am

now just tackle the coverage issue, by the time that's done sweden/japan will have like 3 gbit lines or something

Sponge Bob · 18-11-2005 12:47am

Cremo wrote:

now just tackle the coverage issue

As irish lines are marginally longer than UK ones we should be looking at 512k at 10km out in order to increase coverage, and use ADSL2-RE not ADSL2+ in rural exchanges . Only half the population lives within 4km of an exchange in Ireland .

UK population dispersal by loop length.

Blaster99 · 18-11-2005 12:56am

I think he means the coverage issue as in more than a handful of exchanges. If that Magnet service were available to me, I would signup tomorrow.

Sponge Bob · 18-11-2005 1:01am

Blaster99 wrote:

I think he means the coverage issue as in more than a handful of exchanges.

They will do all the big cities and towns like BT and Smart are doing (and Imagine said they would :rolleyes: , the same 100 exchanges they will all ultimately do in the next 3-5 years or so .

I am talking about the other 1200 exchanges in the country where the LLU operators show no interest.

nadir · 18-11-2005 1:20pm

Praetorian wrote:

Ohh, I don't know about that now. I think most people would go for 24x1.5 rather than 4x4.

I'd take 4x4, provided the cap was the same,
250 is nice, but I could really use more, If i wanted to host from home, share files etc.

gsand · 18-11-2005 3:19pm

Thats v.pricey given ukonline in the uk have just started offering 24meg to residential users (contended aleit but still I wouldnt say speeds would be any worse than what is on offer here) for 29.99 sterling...

Praetorian · 18-11-2005 3:21pm

It's not just pricey, it's daylight robbery.

Jorinn · 18-11-2005 5:14pm

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

The rest of Europe is significantly cheaper though. Still I must confess I am happy to see these figures enter the Irish market finally.

This is true as could be seen when IOFFL conducted our broadband survey.

Threw up the likes of the following...

http://telia.se/privat/frame.do?mainFrame=/privat.do

Divide the kronor amount by 10 roughly to get euro prices, so.....
Upp till 24 Mbit/s 449 kr ---> 45euro
Upp till 8 Mbit/s 439 kr ---> 44euro

The 24mbit is essentially a virtually free upgrade in enabled exchanges.

Also bear in mind that Telia are more expensive than their competitors.

damien · 18-11-2005 5:21pm

Yeah but Ireland has the highest LLU prices around and that should be taken into account in fairness.

philologos · 18-11-2005 5:31pm

Praetorian wrote:

It's not just pricey, it's daylight robbery.

do you see anyone else offering it? The prices are down to the market availiability and I think magnets pricing is a lot more competitive than any other Irish provider at the minute and the fact that they are now Irelands fastest broadband provider is going to get them going and after that perhaps it will be cheaper.

Jorinn · 18-11-2005 5:44pm

damien.m wrote:

Yeah but Ireland has the highest LLU prices around and that should be taken into account in fairness.

This is true Damien.

paulm17781 · 18-11-2005 6:02pm

Jakkass wrote:

do you see anyone else offering it? The prices are down to the market availiability and I think magnets pricing is a lot more competitive than any other Irish provider at the minute and the fact that they are now Irelands fastest broadband provider is going to get them going and after that perhaps it will be cheaper.

I agree, if the other operators respond it will be great. I just hope they don't respond with equally high prices. I would be happy if NTL upped the 3meg to 8meg for the same price. I would find that far better than 24 (theoretical) Mbps for €240.

Maskhadov · 18-11-2005 6:07pm

24MB service - €240.00 incl VAT (250 GB download cap)

€240.00 ??? thats a f'ing RIP OFF IRELAND. You can get the same download speeds in london for £20 quid a month.

paulm17781 · 18-11-2005 6:23pm

Maskhadov wrote:

€240.00 ??? thats a f'ing RIP OFF IRELAND. You can get the same download speeds in london for £20 quid a month.

While I agree that it is a bit much. London has a population of 9m (?) and intense competition from cable. BT also seem to promote LLU and reduce charges etc. With any luck this offering is the beginning for us.

philologos · 18-11-2005 6:24pm

yes but as I say its a decent rate for Ireland you cant go comparing between countries for broadband because obviously the standard is better and theres more competition... To be honest Magnet have done Ireland a huge favour by even putting 24Mbit in the spotlight! Of course its going to be a high price with no competition at 24Mbit...

Blaster99 · 18-11-2005 6:50pm

The price for the 24M/1M isn't totally unlike Eircom's for a 4M/256K product, and less than Digiweb's 6M/2M product. So it's very competitive in an Irish context. Hopefully this will put an end to the 4Mbps ****e that's peddled for about €200 and we'll begin to see some real broadband products.

I'm very disappointed with the upload speed, though.

halenger · 18-11-2005 6:56pm

As was I, but it's 4MB in FTH (fiber-to-home) estates. It's a shame they're so uncommon.

1MB falls under the minimum threshold if I'm not mistaken. Upload is supposed to be a minimum of 6% or 8% (I can't remember which). Either way it's still well below it (6% would be 1.44MB and 8% would be 1.92MB).

Maskhadov · 18-11-2005 8:23pm

€240 EVERY month competitive ?? Thats a complete joke. Maybe if your a small business who does a lot of work over the internet, but its defintely not for the ordinary joe soap. €50/month is enough.

flamegrill · 18-11-2005 8:47pm

do you people have any idea how much IP transit costs???

FFS 100mbps of bandwidth is gona cost ya minimum 4k-6K a month per provider, and I'd assume magnet have multiple providers. So lets say they have 5 providers each at 100mbps and an average price of 4500 euro per carrier- so they have 22500 euro a month to pay for ip transit. In an uncontended network they will get approx 20 24mbps dsl users onto that and get 5000 a month from them.

And you people are bitching about 24mbit/s costing you 240 ???

Christ they are throwing it at us! Obviously consumers aren't going to take that product but I'm sure _many_ business will!

Blaster99 · 18-11-2005 9:33pm

flamegrill wrote:

do you people have any idea how much IP transit costs???

About as much as it costs in other countries. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to translate into the retail market.

elexes · 18-11-2005 9:41pm

flamegrill wrote:

do you people have any idea how much IP transit costs???

FFS 100mbps of bandwidth is gona cost ya minimum 4k-6K a month per provider, and I'd assume magnet have multiple providers. So lets say they have 5 providers each at 100mbps and an average price of 4500 euro per carrier- so they have 22500 euro a month to pay for ip transit. In an uncontended network they will get approx 20 24mbps dsl users onto that and get 5000 a month from them.

And you people are bitching about 24mbit/s costing you 240 ???

Christ they are throwing it at us! Obviously consumers aren't going to take that product but I'm sure _many_ business will!

id fully support this comment in every shape and form . when it gets to my aera i shall be ordering it for the shop.

philologos · 18-11-2005 11:05pm

Maskhadov wrote:

€240 EVERY month competitive ?? Thats a complete joke. Maybe if your a small business who does a lot of work over the internet, but its defintely not for the ordinary joe soap. €50/month is enough.

are you ever going to need that much bandwidth in reality. Most download servers only allow about 200KB/s per connection so you would hardly ever reach it unless you downloaded a lot simultaneously. Who would download so much files at once as to cover a 24Mbit connection!! It's obviously not intended for the residential user, and it obviously isnt needed by the residential user. Some of you people just need to see that!

I'm also starting to see what a lot of you are like. You complain about one thing and when it gets better you complain about another!!? This is exactly what Ireland needs and it shouldnt be bitched about it should be welcomed. (If any of you are ****in capable of that)

johncorleone · 19-11-2005 12:02am

SyxPak wrote:

And FTTH will be introduced when...?

4meg synchronous would be preferable to 24meg/1.5meg

Magnet also launched 10Mb and 24Mb symmetric services today in FTTH areas, for the same price as the ADSL2+ products.

penexpers · 19-11-2005 12:29am

Maskhadov wrote:

€240 EVERY month competitive ?? Thats a complete joke. Maybe if your a small business who does a lot of work over the internet, but its defintely not for the ordinary joe soap. €50/month is enough.

And a home user has a use for 24Mb/s how?

Sponge Bob · 19-11-2005 12:38am

flamegrill wrote:

do you people have any idea how much IP transit costs???

Magnet are owned by the same guy who owns the Hibernia Atlantic Fibre so they can get US transit or UK Transit and bring it over here for (relatively speaking) feck all.

You can get anything you want in Hudson St or Telehouse.

flamegrill · 19-11-2005 12:50am

Blaster99 wrote:

About as much as it costs in other countries. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to translate into the retail market.

Wrong. The UK have lots and lots of fibre running through the workings around the channel tunnel. This was realatively cheap to install and gives the UK shed loads of connectivity into europe amoungst other things. And lets not forget that the UK has circa 61million more people living there than Ireland has. IP transit in Ireland for examle from colt/tiscali/smart etc will cost ye between 100 and 300 euro a month for a 10mbps commit. You can abuse^^^HH use packet exchange and get that as low as 75 or 80/ mbps(10mbps commit), but that is single homed. i.e. 1 carrier, carrier has an issue your a dead duck, if your an ISP you need peering arrangements and lots of bandwidth from tier one providers. i.e. it isn't cheap

All of europe is one big piece of land, its _MUCH_ cheaper to run fibre along power lines and under land than it is the sea. We have kit in dublin and in amsterdam, we being a nice big hosting company. We pay between 20 euro a mbps in amsterdam to 400/mbps depending on the provider in Ireland. The price difference is mental. Therefore you can not expect the current market to support 24mbps dsl for 50 euro a month, especially when 250 includes the line rental. That would mean you expect 24mbps for 25 euro?? Its not going to happen in the current climate, the market is starting to mature and the likes of Packet exchange are bringing the pricing down, but for the moment 250 euro for 24mbps is an excellent deal. Hell Ibb charge 250 euro for their 4mbps broadband package, I don't hear anyone bitching about its pricing (not denying that they suck, just making a point)

so to close, Magnets pricing stucture appears to be fair and they currently offer the fastest broadband in Ireland by a long way. So lets encourage them and others to compete and bring the pricing down. It will come down, but it's going to take time.

Paul

OfflerCrocGod · 19-11-2005 1:33am

penexpers wrote:

And a home user has a use for 24Mb/s how?

Stop peddling that crap €ircon excuse would you? Bunch of Nazi appeasers

Seriously though the rest of Europe is happily rolling out higher speeds and somehow the costumers are happy to buy these products. In the UK there is a lot of interest in 24Mb BB by residents at the moment LLU is going full steam the only reason more ppl aren't getting LLU is because BT can only process so many ppl at a time. You have to have the infrastructure in first before ppl can use it; horse before cart! HDTV is an obvious use as is VOIP and VoD I'm sure there are others.

philologos · 19-11-2005 3:18pm

Sponge Bob wrote:

Magnet are owned by the same guy who owns the Hibernia Atlantic Fibre so they can get US transit or UK Transit and bring it over here for (relatively speaking) feck all.

You can get anything you want in Hudson St or Telehouse.

they still have to make an income on the maintenance costs etc which are probably huge

penexpers wrote:

And a home user has a use for 24Mb/s how?

hes 100% correct as as I have said before most hosts only allow 200KB/s max per connection.

Sponge Bob · 19-11-2005 3:25pm

Jakkass wrote:

they still have to make an income on the maintenance costs etc which are probably huge

No 'maintenance' is done on a transatlantic fibre, its 5 miles down

. Magnet can get their IP transit at sort of London/Amsterdam prices as outlined by Flamegrill above.

If a magnet customer could do some tracerts to misc US universities and large corps I would like to 'interpret' the results if pasted in here .

philologos · 19-11-2005 3:30pm

Sponge Bob wrote:

No 'maintenance' is done on a transatlantic fibre, its 5 miles down . Magnet can get their IP transit at sort of London/Amsterdam prices as outlined by Flamegrill above.

just because most of it is underneath the atlantic doesnt mean that there isnt any running costs in Boston, Halifax, New York, Dublin, Manchester and any of the other datacentres they use does it?

Sponge Bob wrote:

If a magnet customer could do some tracerts to misc US universities and large corps I would like to 'interpret' the results if pasted in here .

BT and Eircom also run on hibernia atlantic just so you know

Sponge Bob · 19-11-2005 3:35pm

Jakkass wrote:

BT and Eircom also run on hibernia atlantic just so you know

I am that surprised ! Have Eircom maxed their IRU's on the Global Crossing fibre already ??

SeaSide · 19-11-2005 3:36pm

Sponge Bob wrote:

No 'maintenance' is done on a transatlantic fibre, its 5 miles down

There are several cable ships on 24 hour stand by to repair breaks. Repeaters also malfunction and have to be replaced

philologos · 19-11-2005 3:59pm

Sponge Bob wrote:

I am that surprised ! Have Eircom maxed their IRU's on the Global Crossing fibre already ??

I meant in the context of pinging etc. A magnet customer pings along the same fiber as an eircom and bt customer will because they use Hibernia Atlantic (even check the site ffs)

Snaga · 19-11-2005 4:04pm

Sponge Bob wrote:

No 'maintenance' is done on a transatlantic fibre, its 5 miles down . Magnet can get their IP transit at sort of London/Amsterdam prices as outlined by Flamegrill above.

Ah you know better than that. Landing station costs, the immmense power needed to feed the repeaters under the ocean, the ships (and crew) required to fix these things when the cable gets damaged, etc...

Edit - ah i click to reply and get around to it 45 minutes later - What seaside says above

Magnet Networks tp launch 24MB service on Friday

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