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National Independent Party

  • 13-12-2013 7:23am
    #1
    Ispeakthetruth
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭


    Evolved from Sli Nios Fearr, if you will. Are they destined to head the same route as Direct Democracy or Irish Democratic Party (I think that was the correct name) neither of whom got far. My question really; is the electorate institutionalised into only giving real consideration to the established parties? Just wonder, because so many seem sick of what's there and the new starts seem to be getting nowhere....?

    http://www.nationalindependentparty.ie/


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  • #2
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Ispeakthetruth wrote: »
    Evolved from Sli Nios Fearr, if you will. Are they destined to head the same route as Direct Democracy or Irish Democratic Party (I think that was the correct name) neither of whom got far. My question really; is the electorate institutionalised into only giving real consideration to the established parties? Just wonder, because so many seem sick of what's there and the new starts seem to be getting nowhere....?

    http://www.nationalindependentparty.ie/[/QUOTE]

    it's a minority, so the majority will keep voting for the "established" parties, thank goodness.

    We are as a country slowly but surely getting back to a normal functioning economy, and the last thing we need is a rag-bag mixture of independants holding wildly differing views as to how things should be run, holding any sort of power.


  • #3
    Ispeakthetruth
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭Ispeakthetruth


    rag-bag mixture of independants holding wildly differing views as to how things should be run [/QUOTE]

    May I ask how you came to that conclusion? As far as I am aware they are a political party (not registered yet but according to themselves they will register soon). They also have agendas and manifesto etc. So I can't see where the idea of 'rag-bag mixture of independants' come from?


  • #4
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ispeakthetruth wrote: »
    Evolved from Sli Nios Fearr, if you will. Are they destined to head the same route as Direct Democracy or Irish Democratic Party (I think that was the correct name) neither of whom got far. My question really; is the electorate institutionalised into only giving real consideration to the established parties? Just wonder, because so many seem sick of what's there and the new starts seem to be getting nowhere....?

    http://www.nationalindependentparty.ie/


    I read it earlier today and the policies all seemed to be vague aspirational waffle, tbh.


  • #5
    Palmach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Palmach


    Ispeakthetruth wrote: »
    Evolved from Sli Nios Fearr, if you will. Are they destined to head the same route as Direct Democracy or Irish Democratic Party (I think that was the correct name) neither of whom got far. My question really; is the electorate institutionalised into only giving real consideration to the established parties? Just wonder, because so many seem sick of what's there and the new starts seem to be getting nowhere....?

    http://www.nationalindependentparty.ie/

    It is too difficult to start a political party in this country. The rules about registration and financing hamstring any upstarts.


  • #6
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,512 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Ispeakthetruth wrote: »
    Evolved from Sli Nios Fearr, if you will. Are they destined to head the same route as Direct Democracy or Irish Democratic Party (I think that was the correct name) neither of whom got far.

    In fairness to DDI, 'how far they get' has yet to be established as they have so far only contested one bye-election.
    Next years local elections will be the test of where that party is.


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  • #7
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    In fairness to DDI, 'how far they get' has yet to be established as they have so far only contested one bye-election.
    Next years local elections will be the test of where that party is.
    DDI have already split. I don't think its too early to write them off as a minor lunatic fringe group.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=87131503


  • #8
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,512 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Phoebas wrote: »
    DDI have already split. I don't think its too early to write them off as a minor lunatic fringe group.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=87131503

    Meh, 'split' is a big exaggeration there, it'd be like saying 'Fine Gael have split' because Lucinda Creighton left the party.
    As I understand it only the Cork branch of DDI have left, and there are efforts underway by the originals to reform the main contentious issue (the inner council thing). We'll see how it plays out.
    So again I think its ridiculously early to obituary them before they've even contested their second election.

    FWIW I'm not personally a fan and find Ben an hilarious figure of fun and Ray W to be a slightly sinister background figure.


  • #9
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Meh, 'split' is a big exaggeration there, it'd be like saying 'Fine Gael have split' because Lucinda Creighton left the party.
    As I understand it only the Cork branch of DDI have left, and there are efforts underway by the originals to reform the main contentious issue (the inner council thing). We'll see how it plays out.
    So again I think its ridiculously early to obituary them before they've even contested their second election.

    FWIW I'm not personally a fan and find Ben an hilarious figure of fun and Ray W to be a slightly sinister background figure.

    Apples and oranges.
    A major party like FG can easily enough sustain even senior members leaving, but when relatively bug chunks of a fledgling like DDI are jumping overboard before they even get going then it looks like something more substantial.

    I haven't heard anything out of DDI in the last couple of months - apart from the split and their leader getting into trouble with the law. Do they actually engage in normal political activity?


  • #10
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    They always strike me as a rag-tag bunch of "can't someone else pay for it" fantasists.

    But we'll see if 2014 gives them the oxygen to survive.


  • #11
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    they seem to be a bit libertarian or right wing defiantly not what Ireland needs more of


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  • #12
    raymon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    I wish this new party every good luck.

    Need a lot more time to develop policies though.
    If introducing SSIAs is their number 1 economic stimulus then I am already dubious.
    Also very weak policies in the area of taxation.

    Good luck though.


  • #13
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    laoch na mona wrote: »
    they seem to be a bit libertarian or right wing defiantly not what Ireland needs more of
    Like we are stuffed to the gills with "right wing" parties as is?

    Personally I'd highly welcome a fiscally conservative party, with a socially liberal outlook. The PDs were this in name only at the end, having long since sold their souls to the FF devil.


  • #14
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    Indeed!

    How on earth are DDI libertarian?

    They are a mob.


  • #15
    grainnewhale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭grainnewhale


    Nodin wrote: »
    I read it earlier today and the policies all seemed to be vague aspirational waffle, tbh.

    They must be following F.F and F.G lead then.


  • #16
    raymon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    grainnewhale wrote: »
    They must be following F.F and F.G lead then.

    What party do you identify with yourself?


  • #17
    grainnewhale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭grainnewhale


    raymon wrote: »
    What party do you identify with yourself?

    Naturally there is no one party I would agree with on every issue. But I cant see any major differences with F.F and F.G. I do vote S.F. for the following reasons. They are the only Irish party seeking a united Ireland. They are the hardest working party. They don't have their meetings in pubs and decide on policies while pissed. They don't pick candidates soley because they played on a GAA team or worked for RTE.
    Do I think S.F jump on the bandwagon of every protest right or wrong. yes.
    Do I think they try too hard to be an all inclusive liberal party. yes.
    Would I agree on all their policies on the economy and welfare. no.
    would I like to see them in government. sure.


  • #18
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Nodin wrote: »
    I read it earlier today and the policies all seemed to be vague aspirational waffle, tbh.
    grainnewhale wrote: »
    They must be following F.F and F.G lead then.
    grainnewhale wrote: »
    Naturally there is no one party I would agree with on every issue. But I cant see any major differences with F.F and F.G. I do vote S.F. for the following reasons. They are the only Irish party seeking a united Ireland. They are the hardest working party. They don't have their meetings in pubs and decide on policies while pissed. They don't pick candidates soley because they played on a GAA team or worked for RTE.
    Do I think S.F jump on the bandwagon of every protest right or wrong. yes.
    Do I think they try too hard to be an all inclusive liberal party. yes.
    Would I agree on all their policies on the economy and welfare. no.
    would I like to see them in government. sure.


    Funny, probably the most vague and aspirational waffle of a policy is Sinn Fein's aim of a united Ireland.


  • #19
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    raymon wrote: »
    I wish this new party every good luck.

    Need a lot more time to develop policies though.
    If introducing SSIAs is their number 1 economic stimulus then I am already dubious.
    Also very weak policies in the area of taxation.

    Good luck though.


    There policies are very weak all round.

    Like a lot of these type of parties they are against some things (the Euro, property tax) without any coherent rationale for their stance and they make a big thing out of our so-called national resources (24,000 new jobs in forestry - with what trees?) as if the 1930s DeValera ideal of self-sufficiency was still relevant in today's Ireland.

    A protest party with a traditionalist, introverted stance.


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