FF "just dont seem to be going anywhere" , says FF top brass

raymon · 12-12-2013 10:45am #1

Eamon o Cuiv has expressed disappointment at the ambition of people in the FF party. The drop in the poll ratings has probably prompted him.

http://www.thejournal.ie/eamon-o-cuiv-fianna-fail-poll-numbers-1218542-Dec2013/

This follows reports recently that a FF td had said that "we have no narrative, we have no identity, we have no idea of the sort of party we want to be. "
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ff-leader-facing-party-revolt-after-keaveneys-defection-29811262.html

Is it time for Fianna Fail to rebrand under a new "we are not corrupt any more" flag

golfball37 · 12-12-2013 10:56am

Could Eamonn be teeing himself up for a transfer to his grandads' first party? A sort of Toibín in reverse.

jhegarty · 12-12-2013 10:56am

I can suggest somewhere they can go.

But I fear the language I would use would get me a ban.

raymon · 12-12-2013 11:02am

golfball37 wrote: »

Could Eamonn be teeing himself up for a transfer to his grandads' first party? A sort of Toibín in reverse.

You could be right , he threatened to jump before.

However the "Toibin going to Fianna Fail" story was a fabrication by a certain FF rag

Sierra Oscar · 12-12-2013 11:31am

Not sure why Éamon Ó Cuív is getting excited. It will take at least two elections to see a decent FF recovery, anyone in FF that does not realize that is away with the fairies. I can't see the party moving up in the polls a whole lot until after the local elections when there are new faces on the ground, and hopefully new policies.

Éamon might be concerned that his political career might be over by the time an FF recovery is well underway. The same goes for a large section of the parliamentary party. It will take time for FF to recovery, something that some TD's do not really have.

raymon wrote: »

You could be right , he threatened to jump before.

Wouldn't happen in a million years - something which he has completely ruled out before.

raymon · 12-12-2013 11:39am

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Not sure why Éamon Ó Cuív is getting excited. It will take at least two elections to see a decent FF recovery, anyone in FF that does not realize that is away with the fairies. I can't see the party moving up in the polls a whole lot until after the local elections when there are new faces on the ground, and hopefully new policies.

Éamon might be concerned that his political career might be over by the time an FF recovery is well underway. The same goes for a large section of the parliamentary party. It will take time for FF to recovery, something that some TD's do not really have.

Wouldn't happen in a million years - something which he has completely ruled out before.

You could be right.

Did you guys ever track down the TD who said "we have no narrative, we have no identity, we have no idea of the sort of party we want to be. "

Was it the young Dev as well ?

Sierra Oscar · 12-12-2013 11:39am

raymon wrote: »

You could be right.

Did you guys ever track down the TD who said "we have no narrative, we have no identity, we have no idea of the sort of party we want to be. "

Was it the young Dev as well ?

A quote from the Indo? Sure don't you say that the Indo is a rag, and always makes up everything?

raymon · 12-12-2013 11:43am

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

A quote from the Indo? Sure don't you say that the Indo is a rag, and always makes up everything?

It is a rag , and it does print a lot of things that aren't true , and I wouldn't be surprised if the quote is actually false. Just wanted to get the FF line on it.

Sierra Oscar · 12-12-2013 11:47am

raymon wrote: »

It is a rag , and it does print a lot of things that aren't true , and I wouldn't be surprised if the quote is actually false. Just wanted to get the FF line on it.

You can't have it both ways!

Being honest, I didn't see the article that you are referring to. I don't think anyone will be panicking too much about an Independent article anyway.

goose2005 · 12-12-2013 2:21pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Not sure why Éamon Ó Cuív is getting excited. It will take at least two elections to see a decent FF recovery, anyone in FF that does not realize that is away with the fairies. I can't see the party moving up in the polls a whole lot until after the local elections when there are new faces on the ground, and hopefully new policies.

Éamon might be concerned that his political career might be over by the time an FF recovery is well underway. The same goes for a large section of the parliamentary party. It will take time for FF to recovery, something that some TD's do not really have.

But what would spark this recovery? Their main selling point was 'we're the party in power - we can hand out goodies to voters and jobs to supporters.' They've never been out of power for more than 4 1/2 years since 1932. Ten years without it could kill them for good.

Silentcorner · 12-12-2013 2:26pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Not sure why Éamon Ó Cuív is getting excited. It will take at least two elections to see a decent FF recovery, anyone in FF that does not realize that is away with the fairies. I can't see the party moving up in the polls a whole lot until after the local elections when there are new faces on the ground, and hopefully new policies.

Éamon might be concerned that his political career might be over by the time an FF recovery is well underway. The same goes for a large section of the parliamentary party. It will take time for FF to recovery, something that some TD's do not really have.

Wouldn't happen in a million years - something which he has completely ruled out before.

The only problem with that theory (that it will take two elections to fully recover) is that a lot of party members and staunch voters won't be around to see it either...as I have pointed out before, the party stopped attracting new young members a long long time ago...if they were they wouldn't be publicly seeking candidates as they have been over the last 12 months...

It also shouldn't be forgotten that they are on 22% of people who have indicated a preference...a massive amount of don't knows exist, surely these people are the people clammering for a new party therefore unlikely to go back to FF...22% is the absolute best case scenario for FF...more likely high teens at best.

eigrod · 12-12-2013 3:29pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

The only problem with that theory (that it will take two elections to fully recover) is that a lot of party members and staunch voters won't be around to see it either...as I have pointed out before, the party stopped attracting new young members a long long time ago...if they were they wouldn't be publicly seeking candidates as they have been over the last 12 months...

It also shouldn't be forgotten that they are on 22% of people who have indicated a preference...a massive amount of don't knows exist, surely these people are the people clammering for a new party therefore unlikely to go back to FF...22% is the absolute best case scenario for FF...more likely high teens at best.

I don't imagine they'll do to well on transfers either (at least I hope they don't).

Mr.Micro · 12-12-2013 3:37pm

jhegarty wrote: »

I can suggest somewhere they can go.

But I fear the language I would use would get me a ban.

The board of the CRC might be vacated shortly........ Replace like with like.

Sierra Oscar · 12-12-2013 4:03pm

goose2005 wrote: »

But what would spark this recovery? Their main selling point was 'we're the party in power - we can hand out goodies to voters and jobs to supporters.' They've never been out of power for more than 4 1/2 years since 1932. Ten years without it could kill them for good.

They will have to offer a realistic alternative to the current government. I think the bailout program limited FF severely in that regard, although now that we are exiting it that could change somewhat.

Silentcorner wrote: »

. . . the party stopped attracting new young members a long long time ago . . .

Did they? Recruitment within Ógra Fianna Fáil has been higher this year than it has been in recent years. The party is the largest on a number of campuses across the country. A lot of people also realize that now can be a good time to join Fianna Fáil if you are interested in standing for election down the line, so new faces are being attracted to the party in the same way that people like Leo Varadkar and Lucinda Creighton joined FG after their meltdown in the early 2000's.

A number of polls over the last year or so have shown FF to be winning the highest level support amongst 18 - 35 year age bracket. Its still a challenge, but FF's weakness is amongst the mid-age bracket who are stuck in negative equity.

Also, I think it is important to remember that FF is on 25% outside of Dublin and over 30% in some places. It is the lack of elected representatives on the ground in Dublin that is having an impact on the party. That won't change very much until after the local elections campaign and the next General Election. FF's recovery will take much longer than just one Dáil term.

For Reals · 12-12-2013 5:07pm

Joining Ógra Fianna Fáil in University is a right of passage. There will always be those lining up to join. We must stop viewing Fianna Fáil as simply a political party. There is an 'us and them' attitude prevalent within the member mindset. It's the Fianna Fáil family against the rest of the country. We have seen time and time again it's Me, Party, Country, in that order.

When you keep this in mind it stands to reason they will always have ground support of a certain rate, guaranteed. No matter what.
The best the Irish people can hope for is that the party stays out long enough for the country to not just recover, but hopefully cast aside the short sightedness of polices drawn up based on the coming election with little regard to the future. All parties are guilty of that and indeed, us for requesting a quick fix, but none more so than Fianna Fáil who don't even have core values they even pretend to pay lip service to.

I mean, when were Fianna Fáil going anywhere? Short term vote grabbing policies, that's pretty much it.
Fianna Fáil are a tradition, not a political agenda or set of beliefs. As I like to say, more of a Ponzi scheme than a political movement or party.

To use the original quote: "The finest trick of the devil is to persuade you that he does not exist". Charles Baudelaire

raymon · 12-12-2013 6:12pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

They will have to offer a realistic alternative to the current government. I think the bailout program limited FF severely in that regard, although now that we are exiting it that could change somewhat.

Did they? Recruitment within Ógra Fianna Fáil has been higher this year than it has been in recent years. The party is the largest on a number of campuses across the country. A lot of people also realize that now can be a good time to join Fianna Fáil if you are interested in standing for election down the line, so new faces are being attracted to the party in the same way that people like Leo Varadkar and Lucinda Creighton joined FG after their meltdown in the early 2000's.

A number of polls over the last year or so have shown FF to be winning the highest level support amongst 18 - 35 year age bracket. Its still a challenge, but FF's weakness is amongst the mid-age bracket who are stuck in negative equity.

Also, I think it is important to remember that FF is on 25% outside of Dublin and over 30% in some places. It is the lack of elected representatives on the ground in Dublin that is having an impact on the party. That won't change very much until after the local elections campaign and the next General Election. FF's recovery will take much longer than just one Dáil term.

But why is joining Ogra Fianna Fail good for the country. Would it not be better to take the good people in Fianna Fail and rebrand , leaving the bad behind.

Have you ever asked yourself if increased membership of Ogra/ FF is good for the country?

Silentcorner · 12-12-2013 7:01pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

They will have to offer a realistic alternative to the current government. I think the bailout program limited FF severely in that regard, although now that we are exiting it that could change somewhat.

Did they? Recruitment within Ógra Fianna Fáil has been higher this year than it has been in recent years. The party is the largest on a number of campuses across the country. A lot of people also realize that now can be a good time to join Fianna Fáil if you are interested in standing for election down the line, so new faces are being attracted to the party in the same way that people like Leo Varadkar and Lucinda Creighton joined FG after their meltdown in the early 2000's.

A number of polls over the last year or so have shown FF to be winning the highest level support amongst 18 - 35 year age bracket. Its still a challenge, but FF's weakness is amongst the mid-age bracket who are stuck in negative equity.

Also, I think it is important to remember that FF is on 25% outside of Dublin and over 30% in some places. It is the lack of elected representatives on the ground in Dublin that is having an impact on the party. That won't change very much until after the local elections campaign and the next General Election. FF's recovery will take much longer than just one Dáil term.

Granted besides political chancers who are in it merely for advancement and students who simply do not know better...the membership is falling, I can only speak of my time in the organisation there was never any youth influx into the local cumman network (which is the backbone of the organisation)

Here is FFs real bind.

You say students are joining at a healthy rate, and we have only FFs word on that...I do question you're strength in the 18-35 bracket, this is the generation of emigration, clubs have been decimated up and down the country because of it, do you expect us to believe that those that have remained are more inclined to vote FF??? Maybe you are right...

The negative equity generation are the 30-49 bracket, these people will never vote FF again, these people are also currently rearing the next generation of voters...I can't see them flocking to FF...quiet the opposite I'd imagine, remember the loyalty FF had over generations of families, that has been severely eroded...I'm one of them...

The next generation are the 50-65, it is the children of this generation that are the one's who have emigrated, or are part of the severe youth unemployment issue the state is struggling to cope with...again difficult to see how these people would vote or transfer to FF...

The 65 plus age bracket, are more likely to be loyal to FF after voting for them for generations, but I'd imagine you have lost the floating FF voter...blame Lehmans...

Where do you think the massive "don't knows" will fall?

Charlie Haughey ensured FF would never be in a single party Govenment again.
Bertie ensured FF would never be the senior party in Government again.
Brian Cowen...well he just partied and partied and partied...

As Raymon mentioned, a rebranding is the only option...

IrishProd · 12-12-2013 7:06pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Did they? Recruitment within Ógra Fianna Fáil has been higher this year than it has been in recent years. The party is the largest on a number of campuses across the country.

Wrong, I don't know where you got your facts but as someone who has friends involved in Fine Gael, Labour, Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil in various colleges they will tell you that Fianna Fáil have even less members then Labour and Sinn Féin, with Fine Gael being the largest in 90% of the Irish colleges. In fact Sinn Féin have outgrown Labour in many campuses to be the second largest, something that would have been incomprehensible ten years ago.

If this is a reflection for what the future is for Sinn Féin in Ireland and the growing support that they have in "young, college educated, middle Ireland" then it is very positive, on the otherhand the future looks very bleak for Fianna Fáil.

Sierra Oscar · 13-12-2013 1:37am

IrishProd wrote: »

Wrong, I don't know where you got your facts but as someone who has friends involved in Fine Gael, Labour, Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil in various colleges they will tell you that Fianna Fáil have even less members then Labour and Sinn Féin, with Fine Gael being the largest in 90% of the Irish colleges. In fact Sinn Féin have outgrown Labour in many campuses to be the second largest, something that would have been incomprehensible ten years ago.

As someone who is very familiar with the membership of societies in colleges, that is absolute rubbish. Labour has seen a colossal drop in its membership figures which started after they entered government, and it has become much worse this year. In fact Labour Youth is seeing mass defections, having held a tiny conference a few weeks ago.

Sinn Féin arent even registered on most campuses you chancer!

Fine Gael remain very strong along with Ógra Fianna Fáil.

For Reals wrote: »

Joining Ógra Fianna Fáil in University is a right of passage. There will always be those lining up to join.

No, it seems to go beyond that at the moment. A lot of young people seem to be contesting conventions for the local elections, and some will likely become councillors. You will have TD's elected next time around that will first be elected next May.

IrishProd · 13-12-2013 2:04pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

As someone who is very familiar with the membership of societies in colleges, that is absolute rubbish. Labour has seen a colossal drop in its membership figures which started after they entered government, and it has become much worse this year. In fact Labour Youth is seeing mass defections, having held a tiny conference a few weeks ago.

Sinn Féin arent even registered on most campuses you chancer!

Fine Gael remain very strong along with Ógra Fianna Fáil.

No, it seems to go beyond that at the moment. A lot of young people seem to be contesting conventions for the local elections, and some will likely become councillors. You will have TD's elected next time around that will first be elected next May.

Some simple research and browsing on your behalf will prove that all the above are wrong, Sinn Féin are registered in every single university in Ireland (26+6) bar University of Limerick where they have unofficial status, which will be resolved soon, also you are deluding yourself with Fianna Fáil's popularity amongst young people and people in general.

In UCC alone from what I have heard from friends down there who are in Fianna Fáil is that there are only 6 active people in their Fianna Fáil cumann and they are disappointed with the way things are going, but yet Meehole Martin lied two months on the radio that they were the largest party in UCC. lol.:D Hilarious!

Sorry Oscar bur FF will never have 84 TDs again, they will be lucky to have half of that in the next election and expect to lose a huge chunk of your seats in the local elections, people do not forget or forgive easily what your party has done to the country.

Sierra Oscar · 13-12-2013 2:14pm

IrishProd wrote: »

Some simple research and browsing on your behalf will prove that all the above are wrong, Sinn Féin are registered in every single university in Ireland (26+6) bar University of Limerick where they have unofficial status, which will be resolved soon, also you are deluding yourself with Fianna Fáil's popularity amongst young people.

Having sat on a board that governs college societies, I can assure you that Sinn Féin are not registered in more than UL.

IrishProd · 13-12-2013 3:53pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Having sat on a board that governs college societies, I can assure you that Sinn Féin are not registered in more than UL.

You really are full of sh*t.

Sinn Féin, Trinity College Dublin

Sinn Féin, University College Cork

Sinn Féin, Dublin City University

Sinn Féin, University College Dublin

Sinn Féin, National University of Ireland Maynooth

Sinn Féin, National University of Ireland Galway

Sinn Féin, Queen's University Belfast

Sinn Féin, University of Ulster

Sinn Féin, Cork Institute of Technology

Sinn Féin, Dundalk Institute of Technology

Sinn Féin, Galway-Mayo Institute of Technology

That list is also growing, scary for you Fianna Fáilers who deny the reality of things and play down Sinn Féin eh? Sinn Féin have not seen this growth in support in the south since the Civil War and before.

road_high · 13-12-2013 4:15pm

Sinn Fein have eaten into the republican FF vote and also their traditional working class voters. If there ever was a United Ireland (not anytime soon of course), then SF would be in power, no question abou that.

Floating middle-class voters that had a bias towards FF when things were "good" have gone in the main to FG at the other end. FG have also really consolidated their core-support at the same time.
The FF party just has no credibility at all, with most reasoned voters. Their mis-management of the economy was huge, too big in fact to be forgiven or forgotten anytime soon. Their attempts to re-write history are pathetic.

raymon · 13-12-2013 7:30pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Recruitment within Ógra Fianna Fáil has been higher this year than it has been in recent years. The party is the largest on a number of campuses across the country. .

It appears that a couple of posters are disputing the second part of this statement. Do you have anything to support your claim, like a comparison to the other parties and the names of the universities.

For Reals · 13-12-2013 7:48pm

All the members of Fianna Fail I know, have family, (parents/uncles) in Fianna Fail. It's a family business. I've never personally come across somebody who joined off their own back having weighed up their options. I can't see new blood on the increase except for the expected sons and daughters of current member families.

Tramps Like Us · 13-12-2013 8:50pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Having sat on a board that governs college societies, I can assure you that Sinn Féin are not registered in more than UL.

Thats not true Sierra Oscar. You mustn't have done your job properly if you believe that. I was chair of a SF cumann in a college (not UL) for a while and we'd have your lads and some central organizer coming over on recruiting day demanding to know how many members we got so they could flagellate themselves in delight if they got more - needless to say I didnt humour the fumble attempts at nosing (one lad, the central organiser - always tried to ingratiate himself by saying "an phoblacht abú" with a cheesy grin - he was told to f off of course. )

The young people who join FF are the worst of the worst imo. What sort of young person joins the party who destroyed their future - middle class ones who want to get on the gravy train. I actually had more time for young FG

Tramps Like Us · 13-12-2013 8:51pm

It is actually true that FF are pretty popular in colleges. A depressing reality. Dont forget that many young people have been raised in electric gated semi ds and all they know is greed. The parent lost the plot and the run of themselves, the kids are raised this way.

IrishProd · 14-12-2013 1:49pm

Still no response from Sierra Oscar after having his lies dismantled, can't say I am surprised. Typical arrogance from a Fianna Fáíl charlatan thinking they can make these outrageous claims, what is hilarious was him claiming that he was on a college board that governs societies as if that would make his lies more believable.

Fianna Fáilers.......:rolleyes:

IrishProd · 14-12-2013 1:52pm

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

It is actually true that FF are pretty popular in colleges.

Not from my observations and in the recent university I went to, I can assure you, they are despised more than Labour.

jank · 15-12-2013 6:18am

Would be good to get actual numbers here.

raymon · 15-12-2013 10:38am

jank wrote: »

Would be good to get actual numbers here.

I have asked for those Ogra figures from Sierra already.

I wasn't expecting to get them but I didn't want to leave the dubious Ogra claims unchallenged.

In any case : the fact that any young person would join Ogra or Fianna Fail is very sad

Tramps Like Us · 15-12-2013 12:31pm

In Dublin colleges FF are first or second in terms of membership, sad but true

michael999999 · 15-12-2013 1:08pm

Not the first fianna failer not able to back up a statement with a few facts.

Sierra Oscar · 15-12-2013 2:21pm

michael999999 wrote: »

Not the first fianna failer not able to back up a statement with a few facts.

Eh, how about this to begin with? Important to note that the article refers to last year, and does not take into account a spike in membership this year. It is a similar story across Ireland.

DCU Ógra Fianna Fail the biggest political society on campus

DCU Ógra Fianna Fail are the biggest political society in DCU after more than doubling their membership this year.

DCU Sinn Féin is down two members from last year, with 25 students signing up during the Clubs and Socs days.

Poor Sinn Féin, they can't even outdo Fianna Fáil when the party is supposedly a toxic brand.

I don't really sit around on my computer to answer questions from random forum members on demand. However, since you seem to think it is a requirement to do so - can you please provide me with one reliable independent source that states that SF is the largest society on any campus in Ireland?

michael999999 · 15-12-2013 2:40pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Eh, how about this to begin with? Important to note that the article refers to last year, and does not take into account a spike in membership this year. It is a similar story across Ireland.

DCU Ógra Fianna Fail the biggest political society on campus

Poor Sinn Féin, they can't even outdo Fianna Fáil when the party is supposedly a toxic brand.

I don't really sit around on my computer to answer questions from random forum members on demand. However, since you seem to think it is a requirement to do so - can you please provide me with one reliable independent source that states that SF is the largest society on any campus in Ireland?

So now your saying DCU sinn fein is down two members, I thought you said they weren't in the colleges?

You'll go far in fianna fail alright.

Its like watching dermot ahern lying to us all the day before the troika took over the country, or as ivan yates called them " the nodding donkeys".

Sierra Oscar · 15-12-2013 3:00pm

michael999999 wrote: »

So now your saying DCU sinn fein is down two members, I thought you said they weren't in the colleges?

You'll go far in fianna fail alright.

Its like watching dermot ahern lying to us all the day before the troika took over the country, or as ivan yates called them " the nodding donkeys".

Where did I say there were not in all of the colleges?

I am still waiting for you to provide me with a link that says SF are stronger than Ógra in Irish colleges. Will you please provide a reliable source?

DCU Ógra Fianna Fail the biggest political society on campus

DCU Ógra Fianna Fail are the biggest political society in DCU after more than doubling their membership this year.

DCU Sinn Féin is down two members from last year, with 25 students signing up during the Clubs and Socs days.

michael999999 · 15-12-2013 3:11pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Having sat on a board that governs college societies, I can assure you that Sinn Féin are not registered in more than UL.

What's this?

Sierra Oscar · 15-12-2013 3:15pm

michael999999 wrote: »

What's this?

Does that equate to me stating that SF are not registered in all campuses in Ireland? No, so stop trying to put words in my mouth.

Besides, it has been a few years since I have been involved at that level so perhaps things have changed. What hasn't changed is this though - Ógra Fianna Fáil continue to dominate Sinn Féin Republican Youth across Irish universities. I am still waiting for you to post a link that says otherwise.

michael999999 · 15-12-2013 3:26pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Does that equate to me stating that SF are not registered in all campuses in Ireland? No, so stop trying to put words in my mouth.

Besides, it has been a few years since I have been involved at that level so perhaps things have changed. What hasn't changed is this though - Ógra Fianna Fáil continue to dominate Sinn Féin Republican Youth across Irish universities. I am still waiting for you to post a link that says otherwise.

I don't really care whether they are or not.

Its quite funny as a fianna fail mouthpiece how you'll twist and turn when your story has been shown to be false! So now your saying you haven't really been involved in a few years.

You'll have a great career in fianna fail alright.

IrishProd · 15-12-2013 5:57pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Where did I say there were not in all of the colleges?

I am still waiting for you to provide me with a link that says SF are stronger than Ógra in Irish colleges. Will you please provide a reliable source?

DCU Ógra Fianna Fail the biggest political society on campus

Oh wow, in one college you got some more new members in 2012 but not much more than Sinn Féin, good for you.

Despite saying that

Sinn Féin are not registered in more than UL.

Now you are saying they are, after having been caught lying. Here are some recent photos of Fianna Fáil's and Sinn Féin new members in University College Cork.

UCC, Fianna Fáil cumann

UCC, Sinn Féín cumann

Hmmmmm, I wonder which one is stronger and has more members?

grainnewhale · 15-12-2013 10:35pm

goose2005 wrote: »

But what would spark this recovery? Their main selling point was 'we're the party in power - we can hand out goodies to voters and jobs to supporters.' They've never been out of power for more than 4 1/2 years since 1932. Ten years without it could kill them for good.

You answered your own question. Simply ten years of F.G and lab and then F.G and S.F. I would predict a landslide for F.F and a one party government.

IrishProd · 16-12-2013 10:55am

grainnewhale wrote: »

I would predict a landslide for F.F and a one party government.

When exactly?

jjbrien · 16-12-2013 12:17pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Eh, how about this to begin with? Important to note that the article refers to last year, and does not take into account a spike in membership this year. It is a similar story across Ireland.

DCU Ógra Fianna Fail the biggest political society on campus

Poor Sinn Féin, they can't even outdo Fianna Fáil when the party is supposedly a toxic brand.

I don't really sit around on my computer to answer questions from random forum members on demand. However, since you seem to think it is a requirement to do so - can you please provide me with one reliable independent source that states that SF is the largest society on any campus in Ireland?

If its true then im sure Oraga FF promised the students if you join we will give you free drink and free nights out. When them students graduate and realise they have to emigrate im sure they wont renew their memberships.

Mr.Micro · 16-12-2013 12:24pm

jjbrien wrote: »

If its true then im sure Oraga FF promised the students if you join we will give you free drink and free nights out. When them students graduate and realise they have to emigrate im sure they wont renew their memberships.

Promises, promises, that sounds like FF alright.

Tramps Like Us · 16-12-2013 12:31pm

UCD FF actually do promise free hot whiskey lol!

IrishProd · 16-12-2013 4:15pm

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

UCD FF actually do promise free hot whiskey lol!

It is forbidden for societies and clubs in campuses to advertise and use alcohol for any kind of promotion and marketing.

Tell me more, so I can get the Fianna Failures fined and banned.

Tramps Like Us · 16-12-2013 4:30pm

IrishProd wrote: »

It is forbidden for societies and clubs in campuses to advertise and use alcohol for any kind of promotion and marketing.

Tell me more, so I can get the Fianna Failures fined and banned.

Beyond politics altogether, the KBC and its members are renowned for partying and holding some of UCD's legendary drinks receptions, the first of which is our annual Hot Whiskey Session on the Thursday of Freshers' Week.

http://www.ucd.ie/kbc/about.htm

Thats what they tell everyone at the stall, its their first event of the year

Tramps Like Us · 16-12-2013 4:35pm

As you can tell from that page they are obviously a heavyweight, intellectual bunch.

raymon · 16-12-2013 5:58pm

Beyond politics altogether, the KBC and its members are renowned for partying and holding some of UCD's legendary drinks receptions, the first of which is our annual Hot Whiskey Session on the Thursday of Freshers' Week.

Other events include Trad. Nights, and Term Parties and numerous Dáil Bar visits. The Cumann always has an action packed year planned for its members. Whether you are interested in politics or not, it is worth being a member of the Kevin Barry Cumann if only for the sessions, craic and above all the friends you will make during the year.

Numerous Dail bar visits. Now that makes me mad.

eigrod · 16-12-2013 6:13pm

raymon wrote: »

Numerous Dail bar visits. Now that makes me mad.

That piece you quoted, that's an extract from a script for a Father Ted episode. Surely ? Has to be? I can almost hear Father Noel Furlong say it.

FF "just dont seem to be going anywhere" , says FF top brass

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