Why Bob Geldof hated Mandela

An Claidheamh · 11-12-2013 5:06pm #1

Ironic how the likes of supporters of Apartheid have come out of the woodwork to spew their gushing praise on Nelson Mandela.

Among the former were the British conservatives and one of their own, Bob Geldof, has been at the forefront in claiming "friendship" with Mandela.

Although it's unlikely Mandela ever heard of "I Don't Like Mondays" or knew who he was.

But what he isn't telling you is Mandela's support for the nationalists in Northern Ireland, something Geldof was furious about, claiming he was supporting the PIRA.

http://georgesjournal.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/band_aid_1984_geldof_and_thatcher.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/01/article-0-02DC2ADB00000578-411_468x872.jpg

Thatcher was a strong supporter of Apartheid, and knighted Bob Geldof.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nelson-mandela/10499624/Nelson-Mandela-Bob-Geldof-pays-tribute.html

Geldof clearly knew about the ANC and NI so seems to patronise Mandela saying he wouldn't know about NI as he was in prison:rolleyes:

"Morality could be flexible. Unlike life inside that jail it could bend and shift, it was not immutable. The world was more complex outside those walls.
So too arguments over the murders of the IRA and their opposites. At times he was almost childishly naïve. It was clear how prison could distort the contextual relevance of events."

This part and the part afterwards, he edited out of the Irish Times link, of the exact same article!

http://www.irishtimes.com/how-lucky-we-are-there-was-a-man-such-as-nelson-mandela-1.1618597

In which Geldof claimed Mandela obviously disagreed with Geldof's pro-British, pro-unionist, pro-conservative views.

"As we happened to be talking about events in Ireland that occurred while he was in prison, I agreed that he should (bow to my knowledge). He was a bit annoyed."

alastair · 11-12-2013 5:22pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Ironic how the likes of supporters of Apartheid have come out of the woodwork to spew their gushing praise on Nelson Mandela.

Among the former were the British conservatives and one of their own, Bob Geldof, has been at the forefront in claiming "friendship" with Mandela.

Although it's unlikely Mandela ever heard of "I Don't Like Mondays" or knew who he was.

I suppose Mandela didn't know 'I don't like Mondays' alright, but he certainly knew Bob Geldof, given his high profile in the aid for Africa NGO sector. Which is probably rather more pertinent.

And I wonder how Geldof's supposed 'support of apartheid' is reconciled with his long-standing, and well-known, anti-apartheid position and activities?

tipptom · 11-12-2013 5:24pm

Well,one used his career to advance the plight of Africans,the other used the plight of Africans to advance his bankrupt career,i know who's side I am on.

An Claidheamh · 11-12-2013 5:30pm

alastair wrote: »

I suppose Mandela didn't know 'I don't like Mondays' alright, but he certainly knew Bob Geldof, given his high profile in the aid for Africa NGO sector. Which is probably rather more pertinent.

And I wonder how Geldof's supposed 'support of apartheid' is reconciled with his long-standing, and well-known, anti-apartheid position and activities?

Wasn't Mandela in prison when all those rich folks complained about there being no snow in Africa at Christmas time?

What anti-apartheid position? He was cosy with Thatcher who was a died in the wool apartheid supporter.

Iwasfrozen · 11-12-2013 5:40pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Wasn't Mandela in prison when all those rich folks complained about there being no snow in Africa at Christmas time?

What anti-apartheid position? He was cosy with Thatcher who was a died in the wool apartheid supporter.

Thatcher was not a "supporter" of apartheid. She was anti communist not pro apartheid. From wikipedia:

"In June 1984 Thatcher received a visit from P. W. Botha, the first South African premier to come to Britain since his nation had left the Commonwealth in 1961.[32] The leader of the opposition condemned the visit as a 'diplomatic coup' for the South African government,[33] and Labour MEP Barbara Castle rallied European Socialists in an unsuccessful attempt to stop it.[34] In talks at Chequers Thatcher told Botha the policy of racial separation was 'unacceptable'.[35] She urged him to free jailed black leader Nelson Mandela; to halt the harassment of black dissidents; to stop the bombing of African National Congress (ANC) guerrilla bases in front-line states; and to comply with UN Security Council resolutions and withdraw from Namibia.[36]
Thatcher defended Botha's visit as an encouragement to reform,[37] but he ignored her concern over Mandela's continued detainment,[38] and although a new constitution brought coloured people of mixed race and Indians into a tricameral assembly, 22 million blacks continued to be excluded from the representation.[39] After the outbreak of violence in September 1984, Thatcher granted temporary sanctuary to six African anti-apartheid leaders in the British consulate in Durban.[40]"

ArmaniJeanss · 11-12-2013 5:42pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Wasn't Mandela in prison when all those rich folks complained about there being no snow in Africa at Christmas time?

What anti-apartheid position? He was cosy with Thatcher who was a died in the wool apartheid supporter.

Mandela was quite cosy with FW De Klerk, the first page of google images shows handshakes, smiles, manhugs, sharing of platforms for government business, awards etc.

Therefore Mandela must also have been a supporter of apartheid?

https://www.google.ie/search?q=mandela+and+de+klerk&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=NpWoUoXaMa6V7AbGxYCACQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=911

alastair · 11-12-2013 5:52pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

What anti-apartheid position? He was cosy with Thatcher who was a died in the wool apartheid supporter.

Mandela was too. He managed to squeeze funding from her personal fund for SA education projects. Geldof was active in anti-apartheid campaigning since the 1970 Springboks tour and the beginnings of the Irish Anti-Apartheid Movement. Long before it was trendy.

An Claidheamh · 11-12-2013 6:01pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-apologises-for-thatcher-apartheid-policies-413569.html

cameron-apologises-for-thatcher-apartheid-policies-

Mr.Micro · 11-12-2013 6:04pm

tipptom wrote: »

Well,one used his career to advance the plight of Africans,the other used the plight of Africans to advance his bankrupt career,i know who's side I am on.

In fairness, Geldof did something that made a huge difference at the time. Like all saints he is not perfect, or beyond a bit of ego and self indulgence.

An Claidheamh · 11-12-2013 6:09pm

alastair wrote: »

Mandela was too. He managed to squeeze funding from her personal fund for SA education projects. Geldof was active in anti-apartheid campaigning since the 1970 Springboks tour and the beginnings of the Irish Anti-Apartheid Movement. Long before it was trendy.

Geldof would do anything for attention.

He was and will always be a snot-nosed pretend "punk rocker".

An Claidheamh · 11-12-2013 6:11pm

Funny how Geldof never supported the Civil Rights Movement in the North.

Iwasfrozen · 11-12-2013 6:13pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Geldof would do anything for attention.

He was and will always be a snot-nosed pretend "punk rocker".

You can't even recognise all the good the Geldof did because you're too blinded by your personal feelings for the man. That's sad.

An Claidheamh · 11-12-2013 6:23pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You can't even recognise all the good the Geldof did because you're too blinded by your personal feelings for the man. That's sad.

That's because I reckon he's an obnoxious charlatan.

It involves the "good" that he did.

Iwasfrozen · 11-12-2013 6:27pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

That's because I reckon he's an obnoxious charlatan.

It involves the "good" that he did.

Christ what did he do, sleep with your wife?

LorMal · 11-12-2013 6:32pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

That's because I reckon he's an obnoxious charlatan.

It involves the "good" that he did.

Oh dear, I think you are looking at this through a prism of prejudice?

Mind you, perhaps all the good you have done and your influence in reducing poverty in Africa allows you to be superior?

Can you please advise?

An Claidheamh · 11-12-2013 6:34pm

LorMal wrote: »

Oh dear, I think you are looking at this through a prism of prejudice?

Mind you, perhaps all the good you have done and your influence in reducing poverty in Africa allows you to be superior?

Can you please advise?

Seriously?:rolleyes:

Scofflaw · 11-12-2013 7:31pm

Well, this is nice. And by "nice" I mean "completely fails to meet quality standards, seems to be a one-man rant, and earns the OP a badge".

Yes, I accept that that's not the usual definition of nice, but there we go.

moderately,
Scofflaw

Why Bob Geldof hated Mandela

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