Green Bay Packers Thread

Fionn1952 · 29-10-2021 9:05am

Well that was a hell of a game. Not so enjoyable getting up for work this morning, but given the emotional rollercoaster that was the 4th quarter, worth it.

cosatron · 29-10-2021 10:01am

The exciting thing is when we sort out the red zone offence, this team will be very dangerous cause they are a gritty bunch and what about Campbell. I mention him every week, we are so use to poor ilb play that it's amazing the effect good ilb play does for the defence

Fionn1952 · 29-10-2021 10:59am

Has anyone seen a replay which convincingly shows AJ33 didn't break the plane?

On my first watch I didn't think it was a TD, but I haven't seen a replay that is conclusive enough to overturn the ruling on the field.

theoneeyedman · 29-10-2021 11:36am

Only saw the YT highlights, but a good win in a close game v an inform team is always good. Disappointing the quality of the finishing from close in, looked like the Packers should have wine easier than they did, but a good win nonetheless.

29-10-2021 1:17pm

Didn't see that coming, big turnaround from week 1 and even a couple of lacklustre performances since. Not getting any hopes up. And a bit concerned about LaFleur saying they are sick about Tonyan's injury. But still, what a night. And it could have been more clearcut.

Brendan Bendar · 03-11-2021 4:01pm

WOW

Suit up Mr Love….

Pherekydes · 03-11-2021 4:03pm

Unless of course...

Pherekydes · 03-11-2021 6:52pm

Don't worry, Blake Bortles is on his way! 🤣

theoneeyedman · 03-11-2021 7:30pm

Rogers, a great player, but has proven himself to be a right ass over the last while.

hynesie08 · 03-11-2021 7:45pm

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1455964480622538758?s=20

Oh lawd......

Pherekydes · 03-11-2021 8:11pm

Professional football player? Professional jackass, more like.

Jofspring · 03-11-2021 10:08pm

It's a bad one in fairness. Didn't the Packers announce that they had like a 90% vaccination uptake. Not great that one of the leaders of the team is unvaccinated.

That rules him out for at least a week now you'd imagine. Maybe longer if he still tests positive next week. With a vaccination he could have potentially been back Sunday.

Blut2 · 03-11-2021 11:08pm

With his first positive test early today (Nov 3rd) he'll be back in time for Sunday the 14th against the Seahawks even unvaccinated. The protocol is 10 days out for unvaccinated players.

But the real question is if he gets some form of punishment from the NFL for not obeying covid protocols until now. Not wearing masks on sidelines etc. It seems like he was getting away with ignoring them.

Fionn1952 · 04-11-2021 1:37am

It's ten days if asymptomatic, no? Ten days post symptoms otherwise?

Word coming out of the camp is that he, 'followed protocols'. Apparently sideline without a mask is fine in outdoor stadia, but he has done press conferences inside the facility without a mask.

The biggest shock for me is that always having thought of Rodgers as a reasonably intellectual guy, hearing that he very selectively chose the word, 'immunised' rather than vaccinated because he had some f*cking homeopathic nonsense.

Jofspring · 04-11-2021 10:18am

The fact other QB's that are unvaccinated have worn masks and followed all protocols it's going to cause a massive problem for the NFL as they seem to have let Rodgers away with it knowing full well he wasn't vaccinated.

cosatron · 04-11-2021 10:45am

For some reason I'm still fairly confident for Sunday and looking forward to seeing what love can do. I say it will be a heavy dose of run game with allot of check downs. Also I don't think lefluer gets enough credit for how good of coach he is. If love ball outs and throws for over 400 yards with 4 td we could have a qb controversy again😁

boccers · 04-11-2021 1:39pm

I'm a huge Rodgers fan and love his weekly slot on the Pat McAfee show but considering the resources and restructuring that have been put into this season by the organisation, missing him for one or two games could be the difference between a 1 seed and a 2, 3, 4 etc and this could ultimately cost the team a Superbowl. I really can't believe it. I know that future games are all speculation and Jordan Love could win all the games he starts but it doesnt look great for Rodgers. The way he plays and any interview I have seen with him and especially on the McAfee show he is obviously a very intelligent man so this homeopathic thing is unexpected to say the least. I think the worst thing is that he said what he said back in August or whenever it was knowing that it would lead everyone to think that he was vaccinated. I actually can't wait to hear how he explains it all next Tuesday.

On a slightly related matter I always find that, especially in the small amount of Irish NFL media(who probably don't know the team that well to be fair), the Packers are considered to be a poor team outside Rodgers and to a lesser extent Davante and Jones and will be written off with him missing so we'll get to see can they be proved wrong this weekend.

Blut2 · 04-11-2021 2:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118116110#Comment_118116110

No, its just just 10 days in general.

"If he does have symptoms, at least 24 hours must have passed [before the game] since a fever was last detectable (and other symptoms, such as shortness of breath, have improved). Additionally (for those vaccinated or unvaccinated), a player must show two negative COVID-19 tests 24 hours apart and get clearance from a team physician."

Its extremely unlikely he'll be symptomatic by late next week, if he even is now.

04-11-2021 6:29pm

I see calls for him to be suspended after the NHL handed down a hefty suspension to a player who claimed he was vaccinated when he wasn't.

It's not that surprising, I mean possibly the GOAT at Lambeau, but not nearly as clever as he thinks he is. Usually that's not a big flaw in sports, I almost assume sports stars are dumb, I don't need them to be clever. But putting his belief in wu wu crap instead of medicine and risking serious fallout for the franchise is more than the usual eyerolls at coaches or the front office or dissing journalists.

Itssoeasy · 04-11-2021 6:42pm

The vaccinated and unvaccinated debate isn’t for the American football forum but what amazes me is that he let others believe he was vaccinated and so wasn’t subject to any protocols that are in place for those players. If he mislead the packers then that’s surely legal issues there. I mean he should know better IMHO.

Brendan Bendar · 04-11-2021 6:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118119294#Comment_118119294

If I read you correctly, Rogers has shafted his team mates and disrespected the most respected franchise in the NFL.

I always respected his contribution to the Packers franchise, but this carry on and apparent bolloxology over vaxxing is a step too far.

I feel he should respect the GreenBay ethos and his team mates and not break up the unique set up in GB.

Lets put it this way, Jordan Love could very well have a cracker of a game at Arrowhead but this arse boxing by Rogers is doing his team and franchise not fokkkhing good at all.

This guy needs to stand up and stop fchuukkng up a possible SB season.

Itssoeasy · 04-11-2021 7:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118119379#Comment_118119379

Arse boxing ? Haha you’ve a way with words Brendan in fairness to you. When it was reported he had covid I actually went back and looked because like many I remember it being reported that Aaron Rodgers was vaccinated against covid-19 and I found one article that a reporter said he was.

Brendan Bendar · 04-11-2021 7:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118119471#Comment_118119471

Yes one reporter asked if he was vaccinated and the response was “Yeah….I am immunised “

what is your point poster.?

my point is that Rogers has gone way too far here and that he is disrespecting his TEAMMATES and the unique GB ethos.

Guys have been getting surgery , serious surgery, to get back on the team and this dude it seems doesn’t bother to get vaxxed.

Not good enough….

Jofspring · 05-11-2021 12:27am

The fact he has gone so long knowing full well people are under the impression he was vaccinated and never bothered to wear masks or follow any protocols is baffling. Will be interesting to hear if he was working out in the vaccinated weights room or the unvaccinated one as they segregate players for those work outs. If he has been in the vaccinated one it's safe to assume players also thought he was vaccinated which is a massive breach of the players trust.

05-11-2021 8:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118119379#Comment_118119379

Yep, that's it exactly. I think a lot of his battles have revealed a stupidity mixed with arrogance and sneakiness. But he's been so good in the only place that really matters, on the field. So who cared if he was being snide about journalists or even throwing other players or McCarthy under a bus, we felt he was the person getting the job done.

I thought the battle with front office revealed a willingness to screw the franchise. But he came back, got back to winning, and so we moved on.

But this one is jaw dropping, how did he face his teammates and fans day in, day out, being so arrogant as to think he and his witch doctor knew better, being so sneaky as to think lying (or playing with the word immunise) would answer any questions, and being so stupid to think it would never get out. Again, maybe results will bail him out, hopefully we'll look back in 2 weeks and think whew, bullet dodged, but he has taken a huge gamble. There is an irony in his need for the back up QB, who obviously was one of his previous victims, to step up and help him now.

Brendan Bendar · 05-11-2021 9:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118121409#Comment_118121409

Good synopsis Cee.

Isnt it amazing the similarities between the end years of Favres career and Rogers career.

On the field believe it or not this may not hurt the Packers too much as Rogers could be back for the Seattle game

and #10 could beat K C with a strong running game and improved defence.

What concerns me most is the damage done to the overall spirit and ethos of the team and their support.

There have been consistent rumblings going on all off season involving Rogers, People are getting pissed off with it.

Now when very well placed to make a SB run , this stuff crops up.

Rogers needs to stop the arse boxing get out there and clear up all these issues for once and for all for the sake of the club

He is terrific on the field, but the off the field stuff needs to be sorted, and quick.

boccers · 05-11-2021 11:02am

I don't think theres any suggestion he misled the Packers or his teammates. They seemed to all know he wasn't vaccinated but it was still unbelievably sneaky the way he answered the question and misled the public into thinking he was vaccinated. Listening to the likes of Cole Beasley talking about the vaccine and God etc is actually painful but at least he owns it. Rodgers obviously knew that not being vaccinated would lead to a lot of questions and probably knew if the word homeopathy was mentioned he would be ridiculed (rightly so) and decided to be sly and almost cowardly about it including appearing to be vaccinated by not wearing a mask to press conferences.

Putting all that aside the main thing is that NFL rules mean that he now misses a game and possibly two that he may not have missed had he been jabbed so is he really doing everything in his power to help win this year? I did see somewhere that his now fiance Shailene Woodley is very into alternative treatments so maybe thats part of this but maybe not.

One possible silver lining is we get to see Jordan Love in a real game. This could show what we will be working with going forward or possibly show other teams that he is worth trading for at the end of the year (Lets be real here. If Rodgers wants to stay beyond 2022 everything in their power should be done to ensure he does).

As I said already I actually can't wait to see if he appears on Pat McAfee next week and hope they dont go easy on him. Either way he needs to come out and explain himself.

cosatron · 05-11-2021 11:42am

This could also be detrimental to his future in GB because if Love shows us that his the real deal on Sunday, Gute and Lefluer might let Rodgers off in the offseason and in all fairness you couldn't blame them, he was all over social media with his John Wicks Halloween costume and i presume that unvaccinated players would have to limit there social activities and close contacts but it looks like his doing the opposite.

Itssoeasy · 05-11-2021 6:43pm

And Aaron Rodgers was on pat Mcaffees show and he’s swinging for the fences and using his Fox News bingo card. Apparently the situation he finds himself in now is because of the woke mob and cancel culture and not because of him being vague about his vaccination status.

Brendan Bendar · 05-11-2021 6:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118124324#Comment_118124324

What does that actually mean?

Itssoeasy · 05-11-2021 10:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118124385#Comment_118124385

i was under the impression I wrote that post in English. Which particular part Brendan ?

Fionn1952 · 06-11-2021 12:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118125238#Comment_118125238

To be fair, I just watched the Pat McAfee interview. I think AR12 came across as a smug diva.....but I still struggled to follow your post.

Itssoeasy · 06-11-2021 12:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118125759#Comment_118125759

I’ll ask again which part did you find difficult to follow ? I quoted what Aaron Rodgers said so again how was it hard to follow ?

Pherekydes · 06-11-2021 12:26am

It gets worse. He blamed the woke mob, and claims he's not anti-vax, but he's taking Ivermectin. He doesn't want to take the vaccine because he might go sterile. Hey, but he's a critical thinker.

Fionn1952 · 06-11-2021 12:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118125837#Comment_118125837

To my reading, there isn't a single direct quote from AR12 in your post.....the bit that I'm struggling to follow is the entire structure of it. I think you're trying to make a connection between AR12 and Fox News, but it is genuinely very poorly structured.

I don't necessarily disagree with you; I just don't know what point you're trying to make.

Itssoeasy · 06-11-2021 1:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118119531#Comment_118119531

My point Brendan was he made it appear he was vaccinated and more than a few journalists took it to mean he was vaccinated when was wasn’t.

Itssoeasy · 06-11-2021 1:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118125863#Comment_118125863

In the interview today he directly mentioned the woke brigade by name and others including Fox News have used the same talking points about the vaccine. What is hard to at the very least understand the general point I’m making ?

06-11-2021 6:30am

The interview confirms the obvious, he has a really remarkable mix of stupidity and arrogance. Like, when you're caught, it's time to reach for the apology and grovel. Because people like that and people forgive and move on.

But not Aaron. He just keeps digging and digging because he cannot possibly be wrong. He doesn't do the grovel, he doesn't even go for the middle ground of "I respect their opinion", he goes into attack mode. And hauls out the same awful defence he used 2 weeks ago when criticised for swearing at Bears fans, anyone who differs is woke and he is the victim of cancel culture.

I'll say this much, after years of doing the "don't go there" when people threw out that line about his family not talking to him, I've come round to "and I think I understand why".

Jofspring · 06-11-2021 12:48pm

Some of what he said is really his own personal business and shouldn't really concern the fans, which is fair enough.

The biggest gripe I have with what he said was when he said if he was asked more questions he would have elaborated on it a bit more. He didn't even have to elaborate more, he could have just said straight out he wasn't vaccinated but had taken his own precautions and for personal reasons he isn't going to go into any more detail on it At least then the media personal he was in contact with regularly would have been aware. He can cut it whatever way he wants but he was being sneaky about it to the media.

Some of his points about the protocols being stupid are probably correct and a lot is just for the image of the NFL. He broke one clearly so I assume a fine is on its way to him.

Good to hear all his team mates have known the whole time though.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 06-11-2021 12:55pm

The Trump interview with Axios springs to mind...

threeball · 06-11-2021 11:26pm

Rodgers is coming out of this looking like a right redneck. Lying about his vaccine status, not wearing masks when he was required too, breaking the nfl rules about endorsement deals for unvaccinated people. The list goes on. Add to this the shenanigans he got up to during the summer and you'd have to think his brand is definitely damaged. Only a superbowl win would see alot of this being swept under the rug.

07-11-2021 12:32pm

I wonder...was he always like this? I remember thinking of him as this smiling, charismatic Californian, goofing around, the whole photobombing phase etc. And he seemed liberal, he said the right things about issues, including the kneeling protest (though I think some former colleagues said he was doing it for show).

Now he just seems like this much darker character, looking to get away from Green Bay, slating players, front office, coaches, journalists, peddling nonsense, lying to the public. And always always seeing himself as the victim, of the media, of the public, the woke, liberals, rival fans. And the language he uses is wholly inappropriate, swearing at those fans, referring to his own casket because he has been criticised during a pandemic, where almost 800,000 have actually died in the USA.

When did he disappear up his own arse?

threeball · 07-11-2021 5:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118130880#Comment_118130880

I think as he's coming to the end of his career he's basically decided he can do and say as he pleases with very little consequences. He's not Californian as most would think of a typical Californian. He's from the northern end in a pretty rural area which most likely in a typically republican pocket in a largely democratic state.

I think this is the true unfettered Rodgers we're seeing where image and sponsorship doesn't mean as much to him anymore. Hence him throwing the toys out of the pram after the Love draft. He obviously sees parallels to how he displaced Farve and doesn't like it.

Jofspring · 07-11-2021 11:01pm

Rodgers also comes across as the type of fella that if everyone said go right he'd go left.

Fionn1952 · 07-11-2021 11:05pm

Well this isn't a good start....Crosby poor again.

Jofspring · 07-11-2021 11:07pm

Special Teams not doing anything to help Love. Should be a 1 point game without Love really getting going at all.

boccers · 08-11-2021 11:31am

Special teams are somehow worse than last year which is amazing but then when you hire from within last year's ST structure maybe its not. You'd wonder when it come to playoff time would they let Cobb handle punt returns. Rodgers looks like someone who is so afraid of dropping the ball that he doesn't want to try attempt even a fair catch unless its almost a guarantee. Despite the special teams struggles you'd have to imagine that with the Defence playing that well with Rodgers as QB last night and it would be a clear enough win. Love wasn't great but wasn't terrible either and I would be putting more blame on MLF for not coming up with something to keep the Chiefs blitzing defence honest and probably running a bit more.

Anyone saying they would be happy to move on from Rodgers to Love though is absolutely crazy.

Fionn1952 · 08-11-2021 11:41am

I think that game told us an awful lot more about KC's struggles and our Special Team than it did about Jordan Love to be honest.

Anyone expecting a young guy to come out on his first start and immediately make a case for displacing a guaranteed HoF QB could probably do with re-watching some of AR12's footage from his first few games.

It wasn't pretty viewing, but it wasn't all doom and gloom from a Jordan Love perspective; he showed that he can use his legs a little bit, made a few plays to escape pressure and get the ball away (I think his best play of the night was the one that resulted in a 1 yard loss), and a few of the misses struck me as not being on the same page as his receivers rather than unable to make the throw.

We've been quite spoiled going from Favre to Rodgers, and I'd echo sentiments that we're not ready to move on, but I don't think Love is a bust yet.

boccers · 08-11-2021 12:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118135333#Comment_118135333

No I'd definitely agree on that. Look at the hype around Trevor Lawrence for the last year and how he was going to be a HOF QB and he has struggled big time. I'd say if Love had been able to even have had the last week practicing with Davante it would have made a difference as they just looked a fraction out of sync with each other.

The main problem for the front office is not really Love himself but the fact that they picked him to replace Rodgers after a seeming downturn in Rodgers play over a few years, likely in 2022, and thus get two years of cheap QB play but now Rodgers looks like he could play at a high level for another 3, 4, 5 plus years so moving on from him (unless he forces it after last offseason) would probably be madness. But then what do you do with Love? Would somebody trade for him? Very hard to know what will happen or how they will handle it.

cosatron · 08-11-2021 12:53pm

the td drive was good from love and he did some nice things but he was wasn't helped by the oline, who had a bad night and the special teams were a joke, it should've being 7-6 at half time and you never know what could've of happened.

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