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    #8642
    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    ASOT wrote: »
    Dolce says Hendricks was 218 going into the cut for his second fight with Lawlor and he was between, 210-215 going into the Woodley fight.... That's an absolutely ridiculous weight cut, I actually feel sorry for his kidneys. For the sake of his heart he should either stop getting so fat or never try cut to WW again, that's Rumble Johnson stlye cut to WW. Hendricks would 100% benefit from a lesser cut and fighting at MW imo

    http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/10/7/9469115/mike-dolce-johny-hendricks-ufc-192-weight-cut-was-a-comedy-of-errors

    The bigger MW's like Weidman and Rockhold will tower over Hendricks though. He needs to smarten up soon if he wants a career at the top


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    #8643
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    SureYWouldntYa wrote: »
    The bigger MW's like Weidman and Rockhold will tower over Hendricks though. He needs to smarten up soon if he wants a career at the top

    Yeah but they would be the exceptions, weidman is just a massive human being anyway, cutting from 218 to 170 is wrong on so many levels. Your 100% he needs to smarten up sharpish or he's bolloxed.


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    #8644
    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    ASOT wrote: »
    Yeah but they would be the exceptions, weidman is just a massive human being anyway, cutting from 218 to 170 is wrong on so many levels. Your 100% he needs to smarten up sharpish or he's bolloxed.

    They're the top guys though, if Hendricks wants to get to the top he'd be facing them and he'd find it tough.

    He only has a few years of a career left, plenty of time for his steakhouse once he retires


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    #8645
    martyos121
    Registered Users Posts: 21,349 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    Jesus, 218 at 5'9" is borderline obese, he only has himself to blame, you can't be that weight as a professional athlete, at any time. He's not taking his career seriously, and as painful as kidney stones are, he fully deserved it for his stupidity. Might teach him a lesson to cop on and keep lean between fights.


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    #8646
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    SureYWouldntYa wrote: »
    He needs to smarten up soon if he wants a career at the top

    He'll never get anywhere with that attitude


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    :pac:


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    #8647
    Zero-Cool
    Registered Users Posts: 29,499 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    And he'll never get it again and I for one am delighted. Not letting kids touch his belt because they had a smile be didn't like and they didn't earn a chance to touch it. Ending this post as it will easily turn into fighter bashing and rightfully so.


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    #8648
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Zero-Cool wrote: »
    And he'll never get it again and I for one am delighted. Not letting kids touch his belt because they had a smile be didn't like and they didn't earn a chance to touch it. Ending this post as it will easily turn into fighter bashing and rightfully so.

    Like you that passed me off tremendously. Arogence at its highest.


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    #8649
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Johnny Hendricks has been an elite level athlete since the age of 16. He's won literally every honour possible for him.

    Four time All American, three time big 12 conference winner, two time NCAA national champion.

    The only two people to beat him since the TUF final are GSP and Lawlor, and he beat Lawlor in the fight before that.

    It doesn't matter that you don't like him, the man is a proven winner. He'll again.

    His entire life the way he was doing things worked, this time it didn't. He'll either adjust, go up at weight or carry on as is.

    Either way he'll still be an elite level machine.


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    #8650
    Zero-Cool
    Registered Users Posts: 29,499 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Aw yeah he's a power house but I'll never be able to root for him again. Saying that, it only occurred to me lately that there are more fighters i dislike than i like, strange.


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    #8651
    but1er
    Registered Users Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭but1er


    http://youtu.be/NyMHRRFxJ4E

    Really enjoyed the chat with Roddy, such a nice bloke! Ryan Curtis one to watch, sbg Charlestown as well very very smart


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    #8652
    CurryFlavoured
    Registered Users Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    He won't do anything at middleweight, and that'll just allow him to stay chubby. He needs to lose some of that flab and stay at ww to be competitive, I expect him to be forced up though.


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    #8653
    MartyMcFly84
    Registered Users Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭MartyMcFly84


    That is a crazy weight cut.

    I know we are talking completely different levels of the sport, but to put that in perspective. I compete at welterweight - 77kg and I walk around 82Kg.

    Hendricks is dropping from just under 100kg to 77kg. Its just silly and no wonder he is having problems. I know some big professional WWs who would drop from low 90s or high 80s but from 100kg is just asking for problems.


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    #8654
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    But you have to remember, he's been doing this for literally most of his life. He's been doing the hardcore wrestler style cuts since he was like 15 years old. It won him two national highschool championships, it wont him two national college championships, it got him 4 all american honours, 3 big 12 conference wins and won him the world title in the UFC.

    The only difference now is that he's older.
    It was going to catch up to him eventually, he just didn't think it would be this soon.

    The only adjustment he really has to make is not to turn into a fat feck between fights and keep his weight in under 200lbs and he'll be fine once he starts cutting at a decent distance from his fights and does it with a good dietician and coach.

    I reckon he'll take 6 months, get to a "healthy" sub 200lbs weight and then book a fight and cut from there.

    I don't see him going to 185 because he won't want to and Dana can't make him, to be frank.


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    #8655
    Dtp1979
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

    I don't see him going to 185 because he won't want to and Dana can't make him, to be frank.

    Or Lorenzo :)


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    #8656
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,067 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    MartyMcFly84 wrote: »
    That is a crazy weight cut.
    I know we are talking completely different levels of the sport, but to put that in perspective. I complete at welterweight - 77kg and I walk around 82Kg.

    Hendricks is dropping from just under 100kg to 77kg
    Yeah but you are actually cutting from 82kg to 77kg.
    I cut from a similar 74/75kg to 70kg.

    Johnny isn't cutting from 205-210lbs (95kg) though. That's the weight he was at the start of fight camp. Dolce knows that, he's just putting some spin on it. I met Dolce earlier this year, and he told me Hendricks cuts from about 190lbs or just above, or at least that’s where he should be coming into fight week. He said Thiago Alves (I think) cuts more, from 196lbs, with less difficultly.
    Apparently, according to his coach, Johnys nutrition in his camp didn’t go as planned and he was over coming into fight week. But they won’t say how much over he was.

    By still feel that Johnny isn’t cutting too much, and probably not more than other big WW’s. It’s that he gets too fat and has to focus so much on losing fat during camp. Coming into fight week he is half drained started his cut. Ans as he spend the last 8-10 weeks trying to shead fat, he is carrying less muscle than WW’s a similar weight.


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    #8657
    MartyMcFly84
    Registered Users Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭MartyMcFly84


    Yeah but you are actually cutting from 82kg to 77kg.
    I cut from a similar 74/75kg to 70kg.

    Johnny isn't cutting from 205-210lbs (95kg) though. That's the weight he was at the start of fight camp. Dolce knows that, he's just putting some spin on it. I met Dolce earlier this year, and he told me Hendricks cuts from about 190lbs or just above, or at least that’s where he should be coming into fight week. He said Thiago Alves (I think) cuts more, from 196lbs, with less difficultly.
    Apparently, according to his coach, Johnys nutrition in his camp didn’t go as planned and he was over coming into fight week. But they won’t say how much over he was.

    By still feel that Johnny isn’t cutting too much, and probably not more than other big WW’s. It’s that he gets too fat and has to focus so much on losing fat during camp. Coming into fight week he is half drained started his cut. Ans as he spend the last 8-10 weeks trying to shead fat, he is carrying less muscle than WW’s a similar weight

    I would diet quickly to about 79kg and cut only 2Kg. As I compete at amateur I don't see the point in massive draining cuts. Maybe if I go pro I might move to lightweight again.

    If he is actually cutting from 196/89Kg to 170/77kg its still 12kg of dehydration for not a very big guy, its a lot of water. I just don't see how you can cut 10kg+ without running into issues or having a pretty negative effect on performance.


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    #8658
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,067 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    MartyMcFly84 wrote: »
    If he is actually cutting from 196/89Kg to 170/77kg its still 12kg of dehydration for not a very big guy, its a lot of water. I just don't see how you can cut 10kg+ without running into issues or having a pretty negative effect on performance.
    Cutting from 190lbs would be 9kg. That's where Johnny is supposed to cut from, apparently. I'd guess he tried to do 196 or so was ran into issues.

    Alves was 196lbs walking around, but had more muscle mass than Johnny at north of 215lbs.

    Surely Conor is cutting around the 20lb mark.


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    #8659
    Paully D
    Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    This is a good read from Chuck Mindenhall:

    http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/10/9/9431531/in-the-hands-of-a-judge
    The many lives of Douglas Crosby, who aside from being a Hollywood stuntman with a bombastic personality, is the man fans love to hate as an MMA official.


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    #8660
    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    Mellor wrote: »
    Cutting from 190lbs would be 9kg. That's where Johnny is supposed to cut from, apparently. I'd guess he tried to do 196 or so was ran into issues.

    Alves was 196lbs walking around, but had more muscle mass than Johnny at north of 215lbs.

    Surely Conor is cutting around the 20lb mark.

    Didn't Chael say he was 27 pounds over with 8 days to go before Mendes fight?

    Imagine the hysteria if Conor was pulled from a fight a day before because of weight issues


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    #8661
    martyos121
    Registered Users Posts: 21,349 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    SureYWouldntYa wrote: »
    Didn't Chael say he was 27 pounds over with 8 days to go before Mendes fight?

    Imagine the hysteria if Conor was pulled from a fight a day before because of weight issues

    He's still young, he's more likely to get away with it but I hate seeing him cut that much, he looks like death at weigh-ins. I think after the Aldo fight, he's got maybe one more cut like that left in him, then it's up to lightweight, for a new challenge at a much more sustainable and healthy weight.


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    #8662
    CurryFlavoured
    Registered Users Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    SureYWouldntYa wrote: »
    Didn't Chael say he was 27 pounds over with 8 days to go before Mendes fight?

    Imagine the hysteria if Conor was pulled from a fight a day before because of weight issues

    Chael talking crap again. I doubt Conor goes 27 lbs over in the off season, never mind 8 days before a fight. I'm pretty sure Conor denied it too.


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    #8663
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    CurryFlavoured wrote: »
    Chael talking crap again. I doubt Conor goes 27 lbs over in the off season, never mind 8 days before a fight. I'm pretty sure Conor denied it too.

    I wouldn't be too sure. Ever see him standing next to GSP and Weidmann? Conor's a big lad for the weight class!

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    #8664
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    CurryFlavoured wrote: »
    Chael talking crap again. I doubt Conor goes 27 lbs over in the off season, never mind 8 days before a fight. I'm pretty sure Conor denied it too.

    On the embedded for the aldo v mcgregor press tour mcgregor told the politician his walking around weight was 170 or around that.


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    #8665
    CurryFlavoured
    Registered Users Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    On the embedded for the aldo v mcgregor press tour mcgregor told the politician his walking around weight was 170 or around that.

    He wasn't in camp then.

    He might go to 175-180 out of camp if he's really, really pushing the boundaries but there's no way he was 27 lbs over 8 days out. Conor has said in a few pressers that he's around 170 out of camp.


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    #8666
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    yeah, so in his off season he goes 25lbs or thereabouts over his fighting weight


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    #8667
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    yeah, so in his off season he goes 25lbs or thereabouts over his fighting weight

    Which is fine.

    In Hencricks off season he's going from fighting at 170 to 218... That's 48lbs.

    Now, he's not "walking around" at 218, that's just when he's being a fat feck. And he's not training at 218. He's sub 200 when he's training. But if he didn't blow up at all, and just kept an eye on his weight, he'd have a much easier time come cut.


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    #8668
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,067 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    CurryFlavoured wrote: »
    He wasn't in camp then.
    I think they were refering to
    CurryFlavoured wrote: »
    Chael talking crap again. I doubt Conor goes 27 lbs over in the off season.

    I'm 170-172. I'd say Conor is about the same between fights. Chael was just twisting the facts as per usual


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    #8669
    JR6
    Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭JR6


    Brendan Schaub has retired.. Is this news? Oh well here it is anyway...

    http://mmajunkie.com/2015/10/ufcs-brendan-schaub-makes-decision-to-stop-fighting-i-wont-do-the-game-a-disservice


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    #8670
    Paully D
    Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    JR6 wrote: »
    Brendan Schaub has retired.. Is this news? Oh well here it is anyway...

    http://mmajunkie.com/2015/10/ufcs-brendan-schaub-makes-decision-to-stop-fighting-i-wont-do-the-game-a-disservice

    Hard to blame him really.

    If his $10,000 v $100,000 argument in sponsorship under the Reebok deal is true then that's one reason, but he's also doing extremely well away from the octagon with his The Fighter and the Kid podcast along with selling merchandise etc. Not many fighters do so well for themselves outside the octagon that they can afford to take an indefinite sabbatical.

    Fair play to him I say.


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    #8671
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    I reckon he's trying to get himself cut by talking smack about rebok all the time, to be honest. Getting let go by the UFC means he can take his sponsors with him to Bellator.


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