Is it too late to save the Late Late Show (Mod warning post #434)

CountyHurler · 20-02-2014 11:41am

Look at Tubridy down the hospital finding guests for the misery slot.

BabysCoffee · 20-02-2014 12:47pm

Mr Pseudonym wrote: »

I'm calling an end to my involvement in this thread! Latest ratings are in: for the episode that had David Norris, Samantha Mumba, Eddie Reader, a discussion on the Facebook craze "Neknomination", Lisa Cannon (TV3's Xpose), a Garth Brooks tribute act, and Aled Jones...638 000 viewers!! I just don't understand it!! In my opinion, the LLS is dead, but that hasn't stopped people tuning in.

It's a 30 yr habit. It's hard for us to turn it off.

BuilderPlumber · 20-02-2014 3:56pm

Mr Pseudonym wrote: »

I'm calling an end to my involvement in this thread! Latest ratings are in: for the episode that had David Norris, Samantha Mumba, Eddie Reader, a discussion on the Facebook craze "Neknomination", Lisa Cannon (TV3's Xpose), a Garth Brooks tribute act, and Aled Jones...638 000 viewers!! I just don't understand it!! In my opinion, the LLS is dead, but that hasn't stopped people tuning in.

This show was (in the grand scheme of things) one of the better episodes of what has been overall a very poor season so far (only it is a bit better than last year's but only just). Why do people continue to watch it?

-It goes on from 9.30 to nearly 12. For a lot of that period, there is little on elsewhere.
-The pubs are dead for the most part in many places on a Friday.
-Relating to the above: cheap drink at home v dearer drink in a pub with no one in it. People stay at home and watch this.
-There may be one section that is of interest.
-Habit
-It may be left on for those who like their installment of G-SOC, Irish Water, banks, etc. at 9.00-9.30!

grey_so_what · 20-02-2014 7:34pm

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

This show was (in the grand scheme of things) one of the better episodes of what has been overall a very poor season so far (only it is a bit better than last year's but only just). Why do people continue to watch it?

-It goes on from 9.30 to nearly 12. For a lot of that period, there is little on elsewhere.
-The pubs are dead for the most part in many places on a Friday.
-Relating to the above: cheap drink at home v dearer drink in a pub with no one in it. People stay at home and watch this.
-There may be one section that is of interest.
-Habit
-It may be left on for those who like their installment of G-SOC, Irish Water, banks, etc. at 9.00-9.30!

This is your own personal opinion.

I doubt it's true (as a viewer) and I think you do me, and the LLS thread posters, an injustice by "liking" me/us to the above.

Lazy presumptions.

Maybe we just like the program and you can't just "get" the fact that it is a hugely popular program that generates a very popular thread?

We all have criticisms of the program regarding the guests/misery sections but it still is commanding the viewers.

ghiertal · 26-05-2014 11:04pm

02:30 AM .indo_survey>.wrap{position:inherit; background:#FFFFFF; display:block;} RYAN Tubridy has a new motto. No more Mr Nice Guy. First, he told a listener that he felt like breaking his legs. That's a big step up for Tubs – the harshest thing he had said on air up to that was cheerio.

But last week he took it to a new level. His radio show is running a Miss Personality Show. A previous version of Ryan might have called it Miz Personality, but all that politically correct stuff is in the past.

Sam Kade · 26-05-2014 11:11pm

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

To gives Tubs his dues, he does play a blinder on the Toy Show, instead of being uncomfortable with kids (Pat) or condecending/patronising (Gaybo).

He's mediocre-to-poor the rest of the year. He should stick to (very) light entertainment or kids' shows!

Tubridy is an overgrown child so that explains everything you said

BuilderPlumber · 27-05-2014 5:48am

Sam Kade wrote: »

Tubridy is an overgrown child so that explains everything you said

Tubridy is most suited to children's TV if truth be known. He seems obsessed with babies and children, with him asking almost every guest about it. He excels on the Toy Show because that's his area.

ghiertal · 28-05-2014 9:20am

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Tubridy is most suited to children's TV if truth be known. He seems obsessed with babies and children, with him asking almost every guest about it. He excels on the Toy Show because that's his area.

And so it happened again on Friday night, when Jonah Hill and Channing Tatum were being interviewed by Tubbins.Alarm bells went off last Wednesday when their appearance on the show was announced-the two big guests would be showing up on The Graham Norton Show AND the Late Late Show,all on the same night.This has happened before and the result has been catastrophic.Tom Cruise ended up playing a kids’ electronic wire loop game with Graham.A week before, Tom ended up looking a little loop-the-loop when he appeared on Ryan’s show.This week, Jonah and Channing flirted outrageously with Julie Andrews on Graham’s show.While on the same night,because of the magic of telly,Ryan Tubridy got a bit flustered because of some missing socks.The two Hollywood stars obviously picked up on Ryan being uncomfortable and Jonah made it very uncomfortable for the whole nation.Now to be honest, I think it was mean that Jonah Hill asked Ryan three times if he was nervous.It was mean and undermining.It was a moment that we will all want to forget.I’ve heard that the Late Late Show complain that they don’t get the big guests.But when they do,it seems the host just can’t cope

ghiertal · 28-05-2014 9:39am

Birthday Boy enjoying his pressies...

Mr Pseudonym · 28-05-2014 2:07pm

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

He excels on the Toy Show because that's his area...

I thought Tubridy did quite well for the most recent Toy Show, but can remember multiple cringe-moments from previous years. Therefore, I think it's rather kind to say that he "excels" in children's TV. He needs to be told that kids do not understand sarcasm, and should stick with goofy - something I'm sure he'd manage.

briany · 28-05-2014 7:01pm

ghiertal wrote: »

And so it happened again on Friday night, when Jonah Hill and Channing Tatum were being interviewed by Tubbins.Alarm bells went off last Wednesday when their appearance on the show was announced-the two big guests would be showing up on The Graham Norton Show AND the Late Late Show,all on the same night.This has happened before and the result has been catastrophic.Tom Cruise ended up playing a kids’ electronic wire loop game with Graham.A week before, Tom ended up looking a little loop-the-loop when he appeared on Ryan’s show.This week, Jonah and Channing flirted outrageously with Julie Andrews on Graham’s show.While on the same night,because of the magic of telly,Ryan Tubridy got a bit flustered because of some missing socks.The two Hollywood stars obviously picked up on Ryan being uncomfortable and Jonah made it very uncomfortable for the whole nation.Now to be honest, I think it was mean that Jonah Hill asked Ryan three times if he was nervous.It was mean and undermining.It was a moment that we will all want to forget.I’ve heard that the Late Late Show complain that they don’t get the big guests.But when they do,it seems the host just can’t cope

It got a laugh and he was merely pointing out something that was fairly obvious, and is really sort of obvious just about every time your typical 'Hollywood star' comes on the show. You can't really undermine the host's authority when he doesn't have much to begin with.

The difference between the likes of Norton and the Late Late is that with Norton, he's pretty at ease, he's pretty game, the audience is game and the (slightly drunk) celebrities are usually game. With the Late Late, it's more like these big guests, they have deigned to appear on the show (probably true) and you just end up with this quite sterile, predictable, sycophantic interview, usually.

ghiertal · 29-05-2014 11:39am

briany wrote: »

It got a laugh and he was merely pointing out something that was fairly obvious, and is really sort of obvious just about every time your typical 'Hollywood star' comes on the show. You can't really undermine the host's authority when he doesn't have much to begin with.

The difference between the likes of Norton and the Late Late is that with Norton, he's pretty at ease, he's pretty game, the audience is game and the (slightly drunk) celebrities are usually game. With the Late Late, it's more like these big guests, they have deigned to appear on the show (probably true) and you just end up with this quite sterile, predictable, sycophantic interview, usually.

Does anyone else on here really dislike Graham Norton's show? I find it false and him sycophantic. The fees received by Norton dwarfs the fees paid to RTE's top earners with recent figures showing that Ryan Tubridy is the best paid at €495,000 per annum.

Grimebox · 29-05-2014 12:31pm

I have never understood the Late Late Show. It has always been and is an embarrassment to me as an Irish person if you compare it to the UK and US talk shows. Fair enough that we don't get A-list guests but can they not even attempt to get a competent presenter? Even watching the toy show as a kid, I was perplexed at what was unfolding in front of me. I never understood our nations acceptance of this utter blandness. Don't get me started on that Jonah Hill interview. People defending Tubirty by saying "He's trying his best" is telling enough.

Mr Pseudonym · 29-05-2014 1:23pm

ghiertal wrote: »

The fees received by Norton dwarfs the fees paid to RTE's top earners with recent figures showing that Ryan Tubridy is the best paid at €495,000 per annum.

Norton earns around €2.8m (approx six times Tubs's salary). Below is the list of international broadcasts of The Graham Norton show (source: Wikipedia):

In the United States, starting 11 April 2013, cable/satellite/FIOS (fiber optic) channel BBC America aired new episodes Thursdays at 10 pm ET, six days after the BBC broadcast.[2] It currently airs every Saturday night on BBC America.[1]

In Canada, cable channel BBC Canada broadcasts the show Friday nights at 9:00 pm Eastern Time Zone.

In Ireland, the show is broadcast on TV3 one day after the BBC broadcast, on Saturdays at 9 pm.

In Brazil, the show is broadcast by VH1 Brasil and BBC HD once a week.

In Australia, the current series is broadcast on Network Ten on Sunday nights at 9:30pm.[3][4] Additionally, for Pay TV viewers (Foxtel and Austar), it airs on UKTV at 9.30pm Mondays, with repeats at both 3.30am Tuesdays and 9.15pm Saturdays, Formerly aired on ABC2 on Thursday nights in 2007 till 2012.

In New Zealand, the show was originally broadcast on UKTV. Since the commencement of screening Series 11 on 4 May 2012, the show has been broadcast on TV3 at 8:30pm on Friday nights.

In South Africa, BBC Entertainment began broadcasting the show with series 6 on 30 July 2010 at 21:30 replacing Friday Night with Jonathan Ross when it ended its run.

In Norway, the show is broadcast by TVNorge and FEM once a week.

In Scandinavia, the show is broadcast by BBC Entertainment with a new episode every Tuesday.

In Hong Kong, the show is broadcast by Now TV on BBC Entertainment every Saturday night.

In the Netherlands, the show is broadcast by Comedy Central Netherlands every Friday and Saturday night and on Humor TV 24 a digital channel from the Dutch public broadcaster VARA.

In Germany, the show is broadcast by Comedy Central Germany every Friday and Saturday night, starting on 6 July 2012.[5]

In Belgium, the show is broadcast by Acht once a week.

In Mexico, the show is broadcast by BBC Entertainment once a week.

In Singapore, the show is broadcast by BBC Entertainment once a week.

In Argentina, the show is broadcast by BBC HD every night at 11 pm.

LLS has none. Does that explain the disparity in salary?

briany · 29-05-2014 2:16pm

ghiertal wrote: »

Does anyone else on here really dislike Graham Norton's show? I find it false and him sycophantic. The fees received by Norton dwarfs the fees paid to RTE's top earners with recent figures showing that Ryan Tubridy is the best paid at €495,000 per annum.

Well the whole talk show construct is a bit false and sycophantic because the host basically has to pretend to like every guest that comes on, and every guest has to pretend that they enjoy being there. At least with Norton you'd get a bit of fun and unpredictability, and he keeps it light, as a Friday night chat show should.

Fun and entertainment don't really go alongside the heavier gloomy subjects that the LLS tries to shoehorn in. The only reason that used to work was because there was a time that the LLS was the show, but it is now only a show, and it should work more towards filling the niche it's supposed to occupy.

BuilderPlumber · 29-05-2014 11:47pm

briany wrote: »

Well the whole talk show construct is a bit false and sycophantic because the host basically has to pretend to like every guest that comes on, and every guest has to pretend that they enjoy being there. At least with Norton you'd get a bit of fun and unpredictability, and he keeps it light, as a Friday night chat show should.

Fun and entertainment don't really go alongside the heavier gloomy subjects that the LLS tries to shoehorn in. The only reason that used to work was because there was a time that the LLS was the show, but it is now only a show, and it should work more towards filling the niche it's supposed to occupy.

The LLS is a mix of too many different things. One minute, you have the latest boyband and next minute you have someone diagnosed with cancer who was medically neglected and got a wrong diagnosis at the start for example. Then, it may be some actor no one has even heard of. Then it may be someone who wrote a book. Then, it may be yet another Bill Cullen or Twink interview.

Year in year out, the same faces, the same type of stories, the same mix of airhead interviews with celebs and depressing interviews dealing with cancer, motor neurone, mortgages, poor bank behaviour, rape, etc. Tubridy can't handle the latter much at all!

Now, is LLS/Tubridy Show entertainment or a more serious show? It seems to have a split personality and does neither very well. In the past, Gaybo seemed to be able to blend the entertaining with the controversial very well. But he had the guests and the material. Now, the most exciting it gets is Enda Kenny being grilled or Louis Walsh showcasing his latest act.

hotmail.com · 30-05-2014 12:09am

Grimebox wrote: »

I have never understood the Late Late Show. It has always been and is an embarrassment to me as an Irish person if you compare it to the UK and US talk shows. Fair enough that we don't get A-list guests but can they not even attempt to get a competent presenter? Even watching the toy show as a kid, I was perplexed at what was unfolding in front of me. I never understood our nations acceptance of this utter blandness. Don't get me started on that Jonah Hill interview. People defending Tubirty by saying "He's trying his best" is telling enough.

It could be something to do with the LLS's conservative audience. They have been watching the show for decades and are just used to the same rubbish every week.

I also think a lot of people watch it so they can enter the competition. If that was ended, I think the show would lose a big junk of its audience (and I think the LLS know that and that's why the prizes are usually very good).

Tubridy is a brutal presenter, always has been. But he's male, middle class, from South Dublin, straight, Catholic, white, Fianna Failer, establishment person etc an all round RTE presenter that keeps the conservative audience happy.

Grimebox · 30-05-2014 1:05am

I can appreciate that I am not their target audience

briany · 30-05-2014 3:58pm

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

The LLS is a mix of too many different things. One minute, you have the latest boyband and next minute you have someone diagnosed with cancer who was medically neglected and got a wrong diagnosis at the start for example. Then, it may be some actor no one has even heard of. Then it may be someone who wrote a book. Then, it may be yet another Bill Cullen or Twink interview.

Year in year out, the same faces, the same type of stories, the same mix of airhead interviews with celebs and depressing interviews dealing with cancer, motor neurone, mortgages, poor bank behaviour, rape, etc. Tubridy can't handle the latter much at all!

Now, is LLS/Tubridy Show entertainment or a more serious show? It seems to have a split personality and does neither very well. In the past, Gaybo seemed to be able to blend the entertaining with the controversial very well. But he had the guests and the material. Now, the most exciting it gets is Enda Kenny being grilled or Louis Walsh showcasing his latest act.

Gay Byrne had the good fortune of hosting the show for thirty years during a period of tremendous change in Irish social attitudes as well.

I think the tradtional talk show is dead, really. It gets to the point where you wonder what you can see on there that you can't see elsewhere. I think the traditional form will eventually go the way of TotP.

hotmail.com · 30-05-2014 5:30pm

briany wrote: »

Gay Byrne had the good fortune of hosting the show for thirty years during a period of tremendous change in Irish social attitudes as well.

I think the tradtional talk show is dead, really. It gets to the point where you wonder what you can see on there that you can't see elsewhere. I think the traditional form will eventually go the way of TotP.

Even by the late 90s while Gaybo was still there, the LLS had passed it's sell by the date. Gaybo himself looked bored and fed up by the end.

The embarrassing thing about Tubridy and the LLS is when it tries to be hip and modern and time after time, it backfires. The Jonah Hill bit being the latest example. It's become a complete cringe fest at this stage. Tubridy seems to provoke the guests into revealing more misery and deliberately tries to upset them.

I also think the only reason people want to go to the LLS is for the prize. They constantly struggle to get people for the Saturday Night Show because they don't give the audience a prize.

briany · 30-05-2014 6:48pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

I also think the only reason people want to go to the LLS is for the prize. They constantly struggle to get people for the Saturday Night Show because they don't give the audience a prize.

In the 90s, they got people to go to Talk About by giving out free drink, so I've heard. Well, it certainly stands to reason that you'd need to have been drunk to sit through that anyway. Maybe an idea for the Late Late?

Mr Pseudonym · 30-05-2014 7:00pm

I just saw that Hill and Tatum interview. It is humiliating. Would it be possible to set up a petition calling for the removal of Tubridy?

Cork boy 55 · 30-05-2014 9:03pm

Mr Pseudonym wrote: »

I just saw that Hill and Tatum interview. It is humiliating. Would it be possible to set up a petition calling for the removal of Tubridy?

Too soft, alternatives ->

A day of rage

Rolling Hunger strikes

Targeted campaign of effective guerrilla warfare designed to break his will to remain as host

briany · 30-05-2014 9:23pm

Mr Pseudonym wrote: »

I just saw that Hill and Tatum interview. It is humiliating. Would it be possible to set up a petition calling for the removal of Tubridy?

It's not so much that they humiliated him, but he couldn't even handle a simple honest question without tripping over his words. A host should always be confident and never let on like it's the guest leading the show.

Mr Pseudonym · 30-05-2014 9:32pm

briany wrote: »

It's not so much that they humiliated him, but he couldn't even handle a simple honest question without tripping over his words. A host should always be confident and never let on like it's the guest leading the show.

I don't think they (specifically Hill) humiliated him (though I'd say it was embarrassing). Just that I, as a viewer and stakeholder, felt humiliated by the mediocrity. And, it wasn't just that incident - the way he started trying to act cool in saying that he was "****ting himself" and allowing Hill to keep talking, after the clip had stopped, about which pub he was going to go to afterwards - even then answering him. :eek: In recalling it, I'm utterly astounded!

Thargor · 30-05-2014 9:55pm

Whats the Hill and Tatum interview? Dont even recognise the names...

Mr Pseudonym · 31-05-2014 12:39am

Thargor wrote: »

Whats the Hill and Tatum interview? Dont even recognise the names...

Let me Google that for you...

kneemos · 31-05-2014 5:37am

ghiertal wrote: »

Does anyone else on here really dislike Graham Norton's show? I find it false and him sycophantic. The fees received by Norton dwarfs the fees paid to RTE's top earners with recent figures showing that Ryan Tubridy is the best paid at €495,000 per annum.

Afaik The Graham Norton Show is an independent company which sells it's show to all interested in buying it.
Don't see how it matters what he earns or where it comes from.

--LOS-- · 31-05-2014 5:44am

Thargor wrote: »

Whats the Hill and Tatum interview? Dont even recognise the names...

Just the most awkward Ryan Tubridy interview ever. But in fairness if someone is nervous, the last thing you should say to them is you look nervous, that's just going to make them worse

BabysCoffee · 31-05-2014 8:52am

Thargor wrote: »

Whats the Hill and Tatum interview? Dont even recognise the names...

It's a serious cringefest. Don't watch if you are of a nervouse disposition (Tubridy should never re watch).

It had me hiding behind my couch.

LynnGrace · 31-05-2014 9:40am

BabysCoffee wrote: »

It's a serious cringefest. Don't watch if you are of a nervouse disposition (Tubridy should never re watch).

It had me hiding behind my couch.

Same here, I actually missed some of it, pulling the couch out from the wall to dive behind it... No, seriously, I was cringing so much, and as another poster said above, he then started to try to act 'cool'.
Then the next guest, the woman talking about angels-I didn't watch her at all- but noted Tubridy's change of demeanour. He just let her run on, he was so relieved that the earlier interview was over.

mike65 · 31-05-2014 10:44am

I watched about 3 minutes of last night with Billo, now Bill is an RTE smoothie not in away way an awkward customer Tubs was talking to someone he must say hi to in various RTE corridors a few times a week and yet even that proved much harder work than it ought to have been. The atmosphere was dead, the chat lacked any sort of dynamic or flow. I flick over to the lad from Cork on BBC1 and he's got Tom Cruise (again!) and its all very light and chirpy and even if you know everyone is just there to plug something its so much easier if that's the sort of thing you want to watch.

CountyHurler · 31-05-2014 11:10am

The show needs to be directed away from the trashy infomercial that it's become and more about personality driven (but not misery) stories... For example, Dolores Keane was very entertaining and should have been kept on for much longer last nite. Instead, they gave a half hour to Louis Walsh's latest vehicle for raiding your little girl's purse, followed by a woman promoting her whore house.. dreadful stuff..

I think it's also embarrassing for RTE that their "top presenter" gets called out as being nervous by a movie star.. I mean this guy is on an absolute fortune purportedly because he is our most talented presenter, and in his fourth season the guests can see that he is nervous.. They are not going to replace him, so the only thing that can help would be to keep all the guests on together and allow them to interact.. This might help give the show some personality, and fill the void that is so obviously there when it's just Tubridy interviewing the guest from his cue cards.

briany · 31-05-2014 2:07pm

CountyHurler wrote: »

They are not going to replace him, so the only thing that can help would be to keep all the guests on together and allow them to interact.. This might help give the show some personality, and fill the void that is so obviously there when it's just Tubridy interviewing the guest from his cue cards.

I'd love to see the angel lady and Hill/Tatum on the same stage. That would be great car crash TV. She'd just be sitting there to the right of them with a big wide eyed expression on her face, occasionally stroking Tatum on the shoulder or telling them, 'God says you've both been very bold, but he forgives you'.

ghiertal · 01-06-2014 2:02pm

CountyHurler wrote: »

The show needs to be directed away from the trashy infomercial that it's become and more about personality driven (but not misery) stories... For example, Dolores Keane was very entertaining and should have been kept on for much longer last nite. Instead, they gave a half hour to Louis Walsh's latest vehicle for raiding your little girl's purse, followed by a woman promoting her whore house.. dreadful stuff..

I think it's also embarrassing for RTE that their "top presenter" gets called out as being nervous by a movie star.. I mean this guy is on an absolute fortune purportedly because he is our most talented presenter, and in his fourth season the guests can see that he is nervous.. They are not going to replace him, so the only thing that can help would be to keep all the guests on together and allow them to interact.. This might help give the show some personality, and fill the void that is so obviously there when it's just Tubridy interviewing the guest from his cue cards.

Fifth season. He was there for Gerry's tribute show four years ago but he didn't even mention him on his anniversary last month.

Oneiric 3 · 01-06-2014 5:53pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Tubridy is a brutal presenter, always has been. But he's male, middle class, from South Dublin, straight, Catholic, white, Fianna Failer, establishment person etc an all round RTE presenter that keeps the conservative audience happy.

I think you hit the nail on the head there. Since Ryan Turbridy took it over it now seems to be aimed at people of slightly below average intelligence. I do think Turbidy is a talanted, articulate guy but he has destroyed the Late Late show IMO. He basically has 'tabloided' it up with pointless F list celeb type guests and that awful jazzy, chirpy backing band that adds a soundtrack to this awful show. Always looked forward to the Late Late before he took it over, now I just switch over to something else.

Mr Pseudonym · 01-06-2014 5:59pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

I think you hit the nail on the head there. Since Ryan Turbridy took it over it now seems to be aimed at people of slightly below average intelligence. I do think Turbidy is a talanted, articulate guy but he has destroyed the Late Late show IMO. He basically has 'tabloided' it up with pointless F list celeb type guests and that awful jazzy, chirpy backing band that adds a soundtrack to this awful show. Always looked forward to the Late Late before he took it over, now I just switch over to something else.

You lost me at, "Tubridy is a talented and articulate guy..."

mickdw · 01-06-2014 6:03pm

I think it should be shortened. Leave people wanting more instead of wishing it to be over.
They need to change the format. It's probably harder to do nowadays but keeping all the guests on for the remainder of the show works for me.
If you then start the show with an interesting guest, they will carry their own slot and will also help out if a later guest isn't too entertaining.
They then have an ability to build a show by picking guests that will bounce off each other etc.

le la rat · 01-06-2014 7:02pm

I still watch it any Friday I am in the house. I enjoy the thread here on boards but the show itself has become so depressing. I know they are trying to raise awareness on various illness and life situations but the stories have started to get lost on me. I start to tune out as the show has become saturated with misery after misery after misery. Make it more light hearted with the occasional heart pulling string story if necessary.

Adamantium · 01-06-2014 11:25pm

The secret to the LLS shows was the changing time sin Ireland for the 3 plus decades the man presented, but it also felt LIVE in the way that in the way the Graham Norton Show now feels. LLS an incredibly pretencious in it's earnesty, a paradox really.

1. Keep all your guests on ALL NIGHT
2. Have said guests talk actors and guests talk about national stuff and offer opinions on subjects they know nothing about (this was one and if they're unwilling to loop them with alcohol)
3. Have a leading man who make the guests the stars, by giving them enough rope to hang themselves. The host should be charismatic as any guest when he needs to interject, notice Norton blends into the guests and you rarely notice him until you need to.
4. It needs to changed/returned to a more panel style show ala The Panel RTE on national topics which was more LLS esque than anything since the 90's and here's the thing RELEVANT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOrHtqvyJZA

AND NOW LOOK AT THAT ABOVE INTERVIEW COMPARED TO THIS ONE FROM THE SAME YEAR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBDUPAgy5zk

RTE could do with loosing a few ratings and reintroducing a bit of bravado, less grave earnest pretenciousness (a a paradox but theu imagine it) and make it something worthy watching.

Telling section about Pat Kenny and the LLS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoDYCMPX0Ek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiTvC3jVGz4

This is an AMAZING episode, where Hugh Bonnerville gets and leaves to go backstage for a piss mid show and then you see him return

AT 23:30

briany · 02-06-2014 3:42am

Isn't there, or wasn't there, a poster still on boards called 20Major? I ask because I think Tubridy name checked the poster in an interview one time where he was saying how he doesn't care about online criticism and had a go at critics for hiding behind online handles.

Keeping the guests on all night but that may cost more. Even if it doesn't, you could end up with this incredible imparity of stature where you have the RTE tea lady rubbing shoulders with the likes of Samuel L Jackson and it could just get weird, and not good weird. National cringe weird.

CountyHurler · 02-06-2014 11:01am

briany wrote: »

Isn't there, or wasn't there, a poster still on boards called 20Major? I ask because I think Tubridy name checked the poster in an interview one time where he was saying how he doesn't care about online criticism and had a go at critics for hiding behind online handles.

I would agree with him about ignoring online cranks. But there's a lot of posters online with genuine opinions, and represent how real people in Ireland feel about his shows.. He can simply dismiss them all if he wants, but he would be better to use them as a focus group, because these are the same people that are switching him off every week.

BuilderPlumber · 02-06-2014 1:50pm

Another season of Tubridy/Late Late Show has come to an end. Much as it has started and indeed much as it ended last season. We had the usual idolatry of Louis Walsh and the launch of yet another new boy band (as if we hadn't got enough of acts like Westlife, Boyzone, Mike Denver, One D, The 3 Amigos, 6 and Derek Ryan already).

I agree what others said that insulting and hurtful remarks are not called for but genuine issues are not to be ignored. First off, the majority of watchers of the show are probably not into boybands or boyfolk or other such modern Irish music. It is ok to have boybands and boyfolk acts on the show but not all the time. Why do certain personalities hog the show so much too? Louis Walsh, Bill Cullen and Twink come to mind immediately. The fact that Twink did not feature at all this year is amazing.

Again, we will hear in a few weeks from Tubridy that he is to revamp the show, make it his own, etc. and then will commence it again in September exactly the same format and guests as always. Some tips to reform the show:

-If there is a 'misery section', have a separate presenter onboard. Tubridy can't handle serious topics at all.
-Less baby talk.
-Less actors starring in films we know nothing about.
-Less sports personalities.
-Less boybands/boyfolk acts.

Other forms of entertainment should be included like different types of music and comedy. Have musical guests sing more than just one song. Have musical guests more music than chat orientated. Like last Friday, it would have been nice to hear Dolores Keane sing a few songs.

kneemos · 02-06-2014 2:34pm

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Another season of Tubridy/Late Late Show has come to an end. Much as it has started and indeed much as it ended last season. We had the usual idolatry of Louis Walsh and the launch of yet another new boy band (as if we hadn't got enough of acts like Westlife, Boyzone, Mike Denver, One D, The 3 Amigos, 6 and Derek Ryan already).

I agree what others said that insulting and hurtful remarks are not called for but genuine issues are not to be ignored. First off, the majority of watchers of the show are probably not into boybands or boyfolk or other such modern Irish music. It is ok to have boybands and boyfolk acts on the show but not all the time. Why do certain personalities hog the show so much too? Louis Walsh, Bill Cullen and Twink come to mind immediately. The fact that Twink did not feature at all this year is amazing.

Again, we will hear in a few weeks from Tubridy that he is to revamp the show, make it his own, etc. and then will commence it again in September exactly the same format and guests as always. Some tips to reform the show:

-If there is a 'misery section', have a separate presenter onboard. Tubridy can't handle serious topics at all.
-Less baby talk.
-Less actors starring in films we know nothing about.
-Less sports personalities.
-Less boybands/boyfolk acts.

Other forms of entertainment should be included like different types of music and comedy. Have musical guests sing more than just one song. Have musical guests more music than chat orientated. Like last Friday, it would have been nice to hear Dolores Keane sing a few songs.

RTE have always lacked imagination and any ability to change,they'll stick with the same presenters and the same format till deaths door.
Any thing they have ever gotten right has usually been by accident and upon realising they have something popular they proceed to ruin it.

Incredibly the only thing I ever want to watch on RTE is The Savage Eye,I don't know how they've managed it but it's quite an achievement.

ghiertal · 02-06-2014 7:32pm

Tubb's review of latest season of the LLS

“It's been a most enjoyable season of the Late Late Show that featured all sorts of fascinating newsmakers like the extraordinary Stephanie Meehan of Priory Hall, Majella O'Donnell’s head shave that raised €600,000, Former Bishop Eamonn Casey's son Peter Murphy and the wonderful NASA Commander Chris Hadfield,” says Tubridy.
“The Toy Show was a blast despite my efforts at singing and dancing. I was intrigued by a comedy hero, Steve Coogan; it's always great to talk to Michael Fassbender; it was a pleasure to celebrate Brian O'Driscoll; I enjoyed the audience reaction to Gary Barlow and Ellie Goulding was a beautiful surprise!
“I'll be on 2FM all summer but there is a week here and there for downtime which will happen in the West of Ireland as usual but I was thinking of touring about. I got the idea from Kimye . . .”

http://www.rte.ie/ten/news/2014/0530/620670-ryan-tubridy-upbeat-ahead-of-late-late-finale/

BuilderPlumber · 02-06-2014 9:22pm

kneemos wrote: »

RTE have always lacked imagination and any ability to change,they'll stick with the same presenters and the same format till deaths door.
Any thing they have ever gotten right has usually been by accident and upon realising they have something popular they proceed to ruin it.

Incredibly the only thing I ever want to watch on RTE is The Savage Eye,I don't know how they've managed it but it's quite an achievement.

That is true. I think that RTE often is a closed shop when it comes to their presenters. From my perspective, Tubridy seems only comfortable when talking about babies and to children and babies! He is no good in a serious discussion and seems to lack knowledge or genuine interest in many things.

RTE have had many good shows (mostly dramas) down the years but I can't help noticing that most of them have been co-productions with BBC or ITV. In its day, the LLS was adventurous and rebellious but certainly has not been either of these during Tubridy's tenure.

Tubridy excels in the Toy Show and he is a genuinely good kiddies TV person. Tubridy is also good with boybands and is comfortable with Louis Walsh and guests like that. But, we then get overdoses of such people to kind of fit with Tubridy's talents, interests and personality.

Perhaps, a show with revolving presenters would be better? Shows presneted by such people as Sean Moncrieff, George Hook, even an odd appearance from Gaybo might be a good idea.

briany · 02-06-2014 9:43pm

CountyHurler wrote: »

I would agree with him about ignoring online cranks. But there's a lot of posters online with genuine opinions, and represent how real people in Ireland feel about his shows.. He can simply dismiss them all if he wants, but he would be better to use them as a focus group, because these are the same people that are switching him off every week.

It's like a lot of things with RTE programming, though, in that the most vocal online critics appear to watch each episode of their object of vitriol in it's entirety, pick it apart, bemoan every aspect, and then wonder aloud how the hell anyone could watch it. Well, they just have, for one. I think RTE has the rather apathetic attitude of 'a viewer is a viewer', so while people are switching off, they don't seem to be doing so at a rate high enough to really worry RTE. As they regard their voice as insignificant and ineffectual, and people who will watch what they put out either way. People are still watching in their hundreds of thousands and those aren't bad figures for a small country living in the age of highly fragmented media consumption.

BabysCoffee · 02-06-2014 11:10pm

I'd like to see Derek Mooney have a try at presenting it :-)

AnonoBoy · 03-06-2014 8:56am

briany wrote: »

Isn't there, or wasn't there, a poster still on boards called 20Major? I ask because I think Tubridy name checked the poster in an interview one time where he was saying how he doesn't care about online criticism and had a go at critics for hiding behind online handles.
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20Major was a blogger - still found on twitter these days - https://twitter.com/twentymajor

I don't think he was ever on boards.

ghiertal · 03-06-2014 9:11am

Link to a page with a full list of the guests on the LLS last season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Late_Late_Show_(season_51)

For me, the lowest point of the year and possibly ever on the LLS, was the Sinitta interview. He spent 30 minutes probing a minor pop star from the eighties about her relationship with Simon Cowell.

"What would Simon say if he was here?"
"What would Simon have thought about that?"
Drivel

Is it too late to save the Late Late Show (Mod warning post #434)

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