Dublin marathon elite Field

TFBubendorfer · 16-10-2014 10:36am

Netwerk Errer wrote: »

True. A bit harsh on the African nobody cares about though.

I was merely paraphrasing the numerous comments I've seen on that subject every single time until last year. It's not my own view.

Netwerk Errer wrote:

I just always like to see some of the best in the world in action. I really don't think that much money is given to those elites in appearance fees and travel in the grand scheme of things.

As far as I know DCM doesn't pay any appearance fees. Instead they try and identify upcoming young runners and bring them over. Mind, travel costs and other related expenses for a dozen athletes will still add up.

Getting Feyisa Lelisa over in 2009 was a real coup. He subsequently placed second in Chicago, has a bronze medal from the World championships and a PB of 2:04:xx. :eek: Still, at the time he won DCM he got a quick mention in the news and that was it.

If you don't pay appearance fees, getting runners of that quality won't happen very often, and it does mean that the elites on the start line will generally be unknown to almost everyone.

dublin runner · 16-10-2014 10:38am

tang1 wrote: »

The Great Run series is non comparable to the Dublin Marathon, its a series of races run all over the world and obviously would have alot more funds available to it to pay elites like Bekele etc to run. The Dublin marathon nearly has to beg for funds to stage the race let alone pay top dollar to elite runners to come race it. Unless a big multi-national backs DCM you'll never see likes of the Mutais, Kipsang or Bekele come race Dublin.

That's a fair point. No reason why DCM cannot work towards bringing in some big elites over the next few years though. To improve the races international recognition it really must bring in the best runners it can. That's my view.

Any reason why we don't see more British runners come over?

tang1 · 16-10-2014 10:46am

dublin runner wrote: »

That's a fair point. No reason why DCM cannot work towards bringing in some big elites over the next few years though. To improve the races international recognition it really must bring in the best runners it can. That's my view.

Any reason why we don't see more British runners come over?

The likes of Andy Lemencello(2.13PB), Scott Overall and Steve Way coming over certainly would make the race more competitive. But maybe it doesn't appeal to them.

tunguska · 16-10-2014 11:09am

tang1 wrote: »

The likes of Andy Lemencello(2.13PB), Scott Overall and Steve Way coming over certainly would make the race more competitive. But maybe it doesn't appeal to them.

Yeah it'd be great to see those guys come over, especially Steve way.
I think though the fact that the course is pretty undulating has a lot to do with it. I mean Frankfurt is the day before so why waste good training on a slow course?

tang1 · 16-10-2014 11:17am

tunguska wrote: »

I think though the fact that the course is pretty undulating has a lot to do with it. I mean Frankfurt is the day before so why waste good training on a slow course?

There is the issue with no real depth in the elite field. You have a marathon on the day before that offers a faster time, why would you run Dublin. But very little can be done to flatten the DCM course out though can there?

Clearlier · 16-10-2014 12:01pm

tang1 wrote: »

The likes of Andy Lemencello(2.13PB), Scott Overall and Steve Way coming over certainly would make the race more competitive. But maybe it doesn't appeal to them.

I think that Steve would be open to the idea but it might be difficult to fit in with his aims for ultras as well as doing London which would be his first choice of marathon. I'm sure that he would do it as a training run but how interesting would that be to the organisers/public?

Ghost in Cratloe · 16-10-2014 1:33pm

Quick Update on the Elite Field for the fall bank holiday showpiece.

Freddy Keron Sittuk: 2:12
Lezan Kimutai: 2:13
Peter Somba: debut as far as I am aware although he has ran sub 30 for 10km.
Paul Koech Kimutai: 62 /2:15 at Eldoret Marathon

plus the token Russian

average_runner · 16-10-2014 1:51pm

tang1 wrote: »

There is the issue with no real depth in the elite field. You have a marathon on the day before that offers a faster time, why would you run Dublin. But very little can be done to flatten the DCM course out though can there?

There is alternatives to make it a flat course, but then wouldn't take much of the city in.
Dublin just isnt that attractive kind of place.

ultrapercy · 16-10-2014 2:13pm

average_runner wrote: »

There is alternatives to make it a flat course, but then wouldn't take much of the city in.
Dublin just isnt that attractive kind of place.

I dont think the course profile is a major issue. The issue is money, if the price is right the best runners would run on the moon. NY is a tough course but attracts a top field because of its elite budget. The Dublin Marathon must budget their limited funds in a way that they believe is best for the race. A high quality field only attracts the attention of a limited number of people, mostly athletics/running fans like those of us who frequent forums like this, it wouldnt move the general public very much or indeed most of the field of runners in Dublin. I dont believe the race as an event suffered last year because of the absence of overseas runners and indeed support on the course was probably at an all time high. The organisers must get the balance right between promoting a quality event and promoting a quality race, if they concentrate too much on one the other suffers. I think they do a good job, Dublin as an event is at least a match for overseas marathons I have ran. As a race of course it cant compete with the big ones but I believe it strikes a good balance.

RayCun · 16-10-2014 2:20pm

From the point of view of the best Irish runners, internationals who are more than 10 minutes faster might as well not be in the same race, but people who are 5 minutes faster might drag them along?

average_runner · 16-10-2014 3:09pm

ultrapercy wrote: »

I dont think the course profile is a major issue. The issue is money, if the price is right the best runners would run on the moon. NY is a tough course but attracts a top field because of its elite budget. The Dublin Marathon must budget their limited funds in a way that they believe is best for the race. A high quality field only attracts the attention of a limited number of people, mostly athletics/running fans like those of us who frequent forums like this, it wouldnt move the general public very much or indeed most of the field of runners in Dublin. I dont believe the race as an event suffered last year because of the absence of overseas runners and indeed support on the course was probably at an all time high. The organisers must get the balance right between promoting a quality event and promoting a quality race, if they concentrate too much on one the other suffers. I think they do a good job, Dublin as an event is at least a match for overseas marathons I have ran. As a race of course it cant compete with the big ones but I believe it strikes a good balance.

Was going to mention the money but last time i did that, there was war here!!

GoTheDistance · 16-10-2014 3:26pm

RayCun wrote: »

From the point of view of the best Irish runners, internationals who are more than 10 minutes faster might as well not be in the same race, but people who are 5 minutes faster might drag them along?

Im not so sure. If you're a 2:20 guy and someone comes over to DCM to run 2:15 (lets say they hit their target) then what knock on effect would it have on you the 2:20 guy. I'm not sure it would change anything.

As other posters have said maybe the time of year doesn't fit with the plans of elite athletes say from Western Europe. Youve just had Berlin, Chicago Amsterdam is this Sunday then you have NYC Marathon after Dublin. Those other four marathons have very deep pockets. DCM does a great job with the budget it has.

Sacksian · 16-10-2014 3:57pm

GoTheDistance wrote: »

Im not so sure. If you're a 2:20 guy and someone comes over to DCM to run 2:15 (lets say they hit their target) then what knock on effect would it have on you the 2:20 guy. I'm not sure it would change anything.

As other posters have said maybe the time of year doesn't fit with the plans of elite athletes say from Western Europe. Youve just had Berlin, Chicago Amsterdam is this Sunday then you have NYC Marathon after Dublin. Those other four marathons have very deep pockets. DCM does a great job with the budget it has.

Even for mere mortals, 5 mins is a big gap and the nearer the pointy end you get, the bigger a gap it becomes.

I thought last year was a really good event and my impression was that the idea of domestic elites racing each other at the front of it seemed to capture the spectators' imaginations.

RayCun · 16-10-2014 4:25pm

Sacksian wrote: »

Even for mere mortals, 5 mins is a big gap and the nearer the pointy end you get, the bigger a gap it becomes.

Yeah, but their PB might be five minutes faster, maybe they won't be on the day.

I'm just thinking out loud really, but if Dublin marathon is inviting international elites, what would be the benefit of bringing over Endeshaw Negesse?
Will it increase press coverage or spectator interest in Ireland? Don't think so
Will more people decide to run, from Ireland or abroad? No
Will it get more foreign press coverage? Maybe marginally
Would he cost more to bring over? Hell yes

Its good (I think we all agree) for the best runners in Ireland to be challenged in the race by better runners from abroad. Is there any advantage to those runners being 10 minutes faster than the best in Ireland instead of 5 minutes faster?

dublin runner · 16-10-2014 4:32pm

Sacksian wrote: »

I thought last year was a really good event and my impression was that the idea of domestic elites racing each other at the front of it seemed to capture the spectators' imaginations.

Yes, it was. Great to see the winners photos in most newspapers etc. I think the novelty may wear of though.

Many bemoan the 'demise' of distance running in this county compared to decades ago. By not bringing over top elites is this helping? Is it not a false reality?

Love our hate it, the marathon had changed. Paying elites money to run is now the norm for the vast majority of big city marathons.

tang1 · 16-10-2014 4:38pm

Put whatever money used for elites into the Marathon Mission project, give Irelands best better training facilities, gear, training camps etc. Something like that would surely bring on the runners on and lower there times.

Netwerk Errer · 16-10-2014 7:39pm

Ghost in Cratloe wrote: »

Quick Update on the Elite Field for the fall bank holiday showpiece.

Freddy Keron Sittuk: 2:12
Lezan Kimutai: 2:13
Peter Somba: debut as far as I am aware although he has ran sub 30 for 10km.
Paul Koech Kimutai: 62 /2:15 at Eldoret Marathon

plus the token Russian

2014 times:

Freddy Keron: 2.18

Lezan Kimutai: 2.25

Peter Brandon: 1.08 half

Paul Koech: No race history since 2012. A 2.15 in 2011 at high altitude in 2011.

Sergiu Ciobanu: 2.17

Paddy Hamilton: 1.06 half

Gary O hanlon: 2.22

Brian Maher: 1.07 half

Eoin Flynn: 1.10 half

Brian mac mahon: ?

Eddie Mc Ginley: 1.06 half

Barry Minnock: ?

I think that's everyone covered on the men's side.

EDIT: forgot Sokolov: 2.17

tang1 · 16-10-2014 7:43pm

Mick Clohissy? Is he running it do we know?

youngrun · 16-10-2014 7:51pm

Netwerk Errer wrote: »

2014 times:

Freddy Keron: 2.18

Lezan Kimutai: 2.25

Peter Brandon: 1.08 half

Paul Koech: No race history since 2012. A 2.15 in 2011 at high altitude in 2011.

Sergiu Ciobanu: 2.17

Paddy Hamilton: 1.06 half

Gary O hanlon: 2.22

Brian Maher: 1.07 half

Eoin Flynn: 1.10 half

Brian mac mahon: ?

Eddie Mc Ginley: 1.06 half

Barry Minnock: ?

I think that's everyone covered on the men's side.

Could be fairly close so between a few of the above by the looks of it ? Will the likes of Joe Mac or Christie run it? Sergiu probably in my view favourite -just ,over Freddy, if all goes well on the day for him

Ghost in Cratloe · 16-10-2014 8:01pm

Netwerk Errer wrote: »

2014 times:

Freddy Keron: 2.18

Lezan Kimutai: 2.25

Peter Brandon: 1.08 half

Paul Koech: No race history since 2012. A 2.15 in 2011 at high altitude in 2011.

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Freddy Keron did just enough to win in Belfast, likewise with Kimutai and Brandon in Limerick. For example Brandon outkicked the Claw in the Samsung 10km night run last April in 30 minutes flat. These guys can run faster when required.

Paul Koech Kimutai ran 2.16 last year for the marathon. But more interesting he ran 64 minutes in Brazil last May for the half in extreme humidity. Big Turd would not like the level of your research skills!

Netwerk Errer · 16-10-2014 8:12pm

Ghost in Cratloe wrote: »

Freddy Keron did just enough to win in Belfast, likewise with Kimutai and Brandon in Limerick. For example Brandon outkicked the Claw in the Samsung 10km night run last April in 30 minutes flat. These guys can run faster when required.

Paul Koech Kimutai ran 2.16 last year for the marathon. But more interesting he ran 64 minutes in Brazil last May for the half in extreme humidity. Big Turd would not like the level of your research skills!

The best I can do is give the times they ran this year. I can't factor in how fast they might run if pushed. If I could, I would clean out the bookies. I just gave the facts of their times.

Peter Brandon done a lot more than just enough to win in Limerick. He was 5 minutes ahead of second.

None of Kimutai's times are on his IAAF profile and I can't read Portuguese. I missed a few results. Jaysus!! I only posted them to give the other posters an idea of their capabilities. Not to be some journalistic masterpiece.

nobody told me · 16-10-2014 8:26pm

Any reason why mick clohisey isn't running?

Ghost in Cratloe · 16-10-2014 9:59pm

Netwerk Errer wrote: »

None of Kimutai's times are on his IAAF profile and I can't read Portuguese. I missed a few results. Jaysus!! I only posted them to give the other posters an idea of their capabilities. Not to be some journalistic masterpiece.

Sorry its been lashing rain in Cratloe Woods all day and I am cranky and drenched!

YFlyer · 16-10-2014 10:46pm

Ghost in Cratloe wrote: »

Sorry its been lashing rain in Cratloe Woods all day and I am cranky and drenched!

Do you know who was the brains behind putting those black edgy stones on the trails? I picked up a heel injury running downhill over them :mad:

Ghost in Cratloe · 16-10-2014 11:03pm

YFlyer wrote: »

Do you know who was the brains behind putting those black edgy stones on the trails? I picked up a heel injury running downhill over them :mad:

Ghosts don't have feet!

ultrapercy · 17-10-2014 12:41am

Ghost in Cratloe wrote: »

Ghosts don't have feet!

what does the ball be chained to then? **** sake do ya know anything?

Ghost in Cratloe · 17-10-2014 11:50am

nobody told me wrote: »

Any reason why mick clohisey isn't running?

He is preparing for a Cross Country Season with the European's in Bulgaria as the main target. He will probably look to a Spring marathon for his debut. He was training in Font Romeu with the Endurance squad for the past few weeks.

Duanington · 17-10-2014 12:12pm

Ghost in Cratloe wrote: »

He is preparing for a Cross Country Season with the European's in Bulgaria as the main target. He will probably look to a Spring marathon for his debut. He was training in Font Romeu with the Endurance squad for the past few weeks.

I was just going to say I haven't seen him out pounding the pavements in a while ( he lives near my gaff) - great to see how he does in the Spring marathon

bazman · 25-10-2014 6:51am

Paddy Power have posted odds! Delighted to make the page, but seems PP are purely looking at PBs rather than form:
http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_type&ev_class_id=22&disp_cat_id=&ev_type_id=24982&ev_oc_grp_ids=1944637

Some anomalies indeed. They obviously haven't seen my recent results :-)

menoscemo · 25-10-2014 10:59am

bazman wrote: »

Paddy Power have posted odds! Delighted to make the page, but seems PP are purely looking at PBs rather than form:
http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_type&ev_class_id=22&disp_cat_id=&ev_type_id=24982&ev_oc_grp_ids=1944637

Some anomalies indeed. They obviously haven't seen my recent results :-)

I just checked the profiles of the female 'elites' there and Maria MCCambridges stats this year (specifically her HM time this year) is by far the best. She is great value at 7/1, just stuck €30 on her.
Anyone got any further insight into the men's field?

yaboya1 · 25-10-2014 11:09am

menoscemo wrote: »

I just checked the profiles of the female 'elites' there and Maria MCCambridges stats this year (specifically her HM time this year) is by far the best. She is great value at 7/1, just stuck €30 on her.
Anyone got any further insight into the men's field?

The men's 7/4 favourite Merkebu Birke has a HM pb more than two minutes faster than anyone else in the field (1:00:14), although he doesn't appear to have run a marathon yet. Based on that HM time though, 7/4 could look a very big price after the race.

menoscemo · 25-10-2014 11:16am

yaboya1 wrote: »

The men's 7/4 favourite Merkebu Birke has a HM pb more than two minutes faster than anyone else in the field (1:00:14), although he doesn't appear to have run a marathon yet. Based on that HM time though, 7/4 could look a very big price after the race.

http://www.all-athletics.com/node/616380
Yeah but this year he has only ran 1:03:14.
The women's odds on favourite Esther Macharia http://www.all-athletics.com/node/521402 has a Marathon from this year of 2:38:49, I would expect McCambride to run significantly faster than that. Her HM PB is 1:15 and Maria ran 72 last month...

yaboya1 · 25-10-2014 11:20am

menoscemo wrote: »

http://www.all-athletics.com/node/616380
Yeah but this year he has only ran 1:03:14.
The women's odds on favourite Esther Macharia http://www.all-athletics.com/node/521402 has a Marathon from this year of 2:38:49, I would expect McCambride to run significantly faster than that. Her HM PB is 1:15 and Maria ran 72 last month...

Sounds like Maria is the value bet so.
Drinks on you in McGrattans tomorrow if she wins yeah?

TRR_the_turd · 25-10-2014 12:22pm

yaboya1 wrote: »

Sounds like Maria is the value bet so.
Drinks on you in McGrattans tomorrow if she wins yeah?

Hang on until Monday yaboya. It's only heroes like myself who will be swilling in mcgrattans on Sunday. I have to do a demo run for you losers before the big day

menoscemo · 25-10-2014 1:33pm

Odds are all changing, McCambidge in to 11/2. G O'H backed in from 500/1 to 150/1!!

yaboya1 · 25-10-2014 1:37pm

On closer inspection, I think the 19yo Ethiopian could be a bit of value in the women's race at 5/1. She has a similar HM pb to Maria from earlier this year and ran (& won) a 2:38 in her sole marathon to date (also this year). At her age and with the possibility that she wasn't pushed that hard to win, she may be capable of a much better time.

menoscemo · 25-10-2014 1:47pm

yaboya1 wrote: »

On closer inspection, I think the 19yo Ethiopian could be a bit of value in the women's race at 5/1. She has a similar HM pb to Maria from earlier this year and ran (& won) a 2:38 in her sole marathon to date (also this year). At her age and with the possibility that she wasn't pushed that hard to win, she may be capable of a much better time.

Somebody must have the same idea as you as she is not 5/1 anymore

eldiva · 25-10-2014 2:04pm

Don't think Freddy Keron Sittuk is running so wouldn't be backing him

NiallG4 · 25-10-2014 2:29pm

eldiva wrote: »

Don't think Freddy Keron Sittuk is running so wouldn't be backing him

Freddy is not running.

GoTheDistance · 25-10-2014 2:38pm

NiallG4 wrote: »

Freddy is not running.

Why is Freddy not running? Injured?

TRR_the_turd · 25-10-2014 2:51pm

GoTheDistance wrote: »

Why is Freddy not running? Injured?

protest?

Netwerk Errer · 25-10-2014 3:13pm

Ok, I take it back. This is the strongest field I have ever seen at the DCM.

GoTheDistance · 25-10-2014 3:44pm

TRR_the_turd wrote: »

protest?

Does he have a reason to protest? Haven't seen him on the roads in Ireland since August. Think it was Wexford I last seen him run.

TRR_the_turd · 25-10-2014 3:51pm

GoTheDistance wrote: »

Does he have a reason to protest? Haven't seen him on the roads in Ireland since August. Think it was Wexford I last seen him run.

I don't know the full story but I heard there was a protest regards his eligibility for the national marathon. I don't know if this is true or false so probably shouldn't be pedalling rumours!

GoTheDistance · 25-10-2014 4:02pm

TRR_the_turd wrote: »

I don't know the full story but I heard there was a protest regards his eligibility for the national marathon. I don't know if this is true or false so probably shouldn't be pedalling rumours!

OK Didnt hear anything like that. I was trying to figure out what Freddy would be protesting about. Pity if this was the case. Did Freddy not compete in the nationals in santry in the summer?

TRR_the_turd · 25-10-2014 4:10pm

GoTheDistance wrote: »

OK Didnt hear anything like that. I was trying to figure out what Freddy would be protesting about. Pity if this was the case. Did Freddy not compete in the nationals in santry in the summer?

He did and got bronze in the steeplechase.

Hard Worker · 25-10-2014 11:45pm

menoscemo wrote: »

http://www.all-athletics.com/node/616380
Yeah but this year he has only ran 1:03:14.
The women's odds on favourite Esther Macharia http://www.all-athletics.com/node/521402 has a Marathon from this year of 2:38:49, I would expect McCambride to run significantly faster than that. Her HM PB is 1:15 and Maria ran 72 last month...

Esther's pb is 2:30:50. She comes from the same camp as Geoffrey nDungu.
Meseret Godana is a future World Champion. Scola Kiptoo is definitely worth a few bob @ 16/1.
Mens race is wide open. Peter Somba is ridiculous odds @ 33/1. He's a possible winner. Aleksei Sokolov @ 12/1 is also mad.

tang1 · 26-10-2014 8:37pm

Freddy out cause of visa issues & unable to return to country cause of same. Barbara Sanchez out of ladies race cause of her European exertions.

Ghost in Cratloe · 26-10-2014 8:45pm

tang1 wrote: »

Freddy out cause of visa issues & unable to return to country cause of same. Barbara Sanchez out of ladies race cause of her European exertions.

Sergiu Ciobanu, Gary O Hanlon and Bazman for top three in National championship.

Paul Koech Kimutai for the overall win

The Running Spoofer

pconn062 · 26-10-2014 8:53pm

Without meaning to sound too critical because I am a fan of the Dublin marathon in general, the Facebook page for DCM this year seems to be primarily focusing on "inspirational stories" about various people running the marathon for charity. I have seen very little about the elite end of the race and especially the National championships. This is indicative of athletics in Ireland and to me it's a real shame. I realise they are targeting their biggest audience, the fun-runners, but the National Championship should be a bigger deal than it is.

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