Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

tayto lover · 21-01-2012 7:55pm

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

We have some good cover, just they're injured too. You can't expect a team to have 3 high quality right and left backs. Central defence is well covered to but no one could have foresaw the kind of injuries we've got.

Who is the good cover for RVP ?

Pierce_1991 · 21-01-2012 8:05pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Who is the good cover for RVP ?

Obviously there's no cover for him but you said lack of good cover is the cause for us not being top 4 atm, RVP hasn't been injured, he's been banging them in, the cause of our failure to make top 4 by now is the number of injuries to our defence I would have said. Chamakh being rubbish didn't cause us to concede 3 to Swansea last week. We obviously do need a spare striker, I'd just disagree with the arguments some people make that we need to sign defenders.

gnfnrhead · 21-01-2012 8:14pm

The only defender we needed was a short term solution, a loan like Henry but Martin Keown must have turned down the offer :pac: Now, Vermaelen, Gibbs and Sagna are all "expected" back in the next few weeks. Signing another defender on a full time basis would have been a waste of money in the long run.

EDIT: Back to my point about Chelsea dropping points. Liverpool are 3-1 down with less than ten minutes to go. Even a draw tomorrow is now looking like a great result. A win would be amazing but unlikely.

amacachi · 21-01-2012 8:31pm

Results today were pretty effing sweet I have to say.

Pierce_1991 · 21-01-2012 8:34pm

amacachi wrote: »

Results today were pretty effing sweet I have to say.

They were pretty sweet last week too, until sunday evening that is

emergingstar · 21-01-2012 9:01pm

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Looks like he's fractured a cheek bone and is out for 3 months... Even the players on loan can't avoid getting injured

Ya can take the boy out of arsenal but ya can't take arsenal out of the boy

wandatowell · 21-01-2012 9:06pm

I think we are gonna get stuffed tomorrow, Dreading hanging out in the match thread

amacachi · 21-01-2012 9:14pm

Think we'll lose but I don't think it'll be a stuffing.

patrickc · 22-01-2012 12:20pm

wandatowell wrote: »

I think we are gonna get stuffed tomorrow, Dreading hanging out in the match thread

Try being at it. I really hope to see a good match and not a one way thrashing.

e-Mo0? · 22-01-2012 12:46pm

Wellington Silva vs Almería
Looks to have matured a bit, hopefully theres still hope for him!

KeithAFC · 22-01-2012 12:56pm

amacachi wrote: »

Think we'll lose but I don't think it'll be a stuffing.

We will win!

22-01-2012 12:56pm

Nope, Kenny Dalgish and simpsons GIF there...

KeithAFC · 22-01-2012 1:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Nope, Kenny Dalgish and simpsons GIF there...

:pac:

Very important game though. A win puts us right back into a chance of the top 4.

tayto lover · 22-01-2012 7:02pm

Spineless, gutless, cowardly team with a manager who is past his sell-by date for sure. Wenger has ruined the team and killed off the fighting spirit Arsenal was famous for..

Drexel · 22-01-2012 7:04pm

not too disappointed with the result today as I wasnt expecting anything out of the game. What I am disappointed with was the players attitude(as usual). Some just dont give two f**ks. How Walcott is still gettin a game is mind boggling. I am actually starting to hate him!

Any way, hopefully with a full back or too fit we can push on and nick 4th from chelsea. It kinda sad to say that really that thats the best we can hope for from this season. Was watching the Man City v Spurs game and I couldnt help but feel jealous of spurs. Fighting for the title, holding onto their best players despite receiving bids for them and strengthing their team. What has happened to Arsenal

tayto lover · 22-01-2012 7:06pm

jonny666 wrote: »

not too disappointed with the result today as I wasnt expecting anything out of the game. What I am disappointed with was the players attitude(as usual). Some just dont give two f**ks. How Walcott is still gettin a game is mind boggling. I am actually starting to hate him!

Any way, hopefully with a full back or too fit we can push on and nick 4th from chelsea. It kinda sad to say that really that thats the best we can hope for from this season. Was watching the Man City v Spurs game and I couldnt help but feel jealous of spurs. Fighting for the title, holding onto their best players despite receiving bids for them and strengthing their team. What has happened to Arsenal

WENGER.

DB10 · 22-01-2012 7:12pm

Wenger caused that bringing off our only threat for that wanker Arshavin who in turn cost us the 2nd goal, by not trying. Arshavin has no place at the football club.

The game was up for grabs. Reaffirms my believe Wenger decides his subs before games, either way he is absolutely clueless and as we seen today the fans patience is wearing.

Van Persie for me shown it, it just showed his reaction their to the substitution on Sky, he was roaring "No way" when Ox came of for Arshavin, and at the end he had that look on his face. He wont stay much longer if this keeps going on.

Drexel · 22-01-2012 7:12pm

tayto lover wrote: »

WENGER.

It was a curious decision to take off oxo alright who was one of our better players. Why not Walcott who just kicked it out of play all game and blamed other people for not being in the right position

gnfnrhead · 22-01-2012 7:13pm

Not quite sure why Chamberlain was taken off for Arshavin. He rarely does much whereas Chamberlain is usually a danger. If Arshavin had to come on, Walcott should have been the one to come off.

Never good to lose but let's be honest, pretty much everyone was expecting it with the amount of players we were missing. Rarely does something positive come from a loss but going from 8-2 to 2-1 in only a few months shows a lot of progress. Still a lot to be done of course, but at least we are heading somewhat in the right direction, even if we occasionally take a wrong turn and have to double back.

wandatowell · 22-01-2012 7:13pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Spineless, gutless, cowardly team with a manager who is past his sell-by date for sure. Wenger has ruined the team and killed off the fighting spirit Arsenal was famous for..

And according to our board it doesnt even matter if we don't qualify for the champions league as we will still make a profit.

Ive totally run out of ideas when trying to describe how poor we are and I'm sick of it watching that crap every week.

Three games lost in a row.

Yawn.

Drexel · 22-01-2012 7:13pm

DB10 wrote: »

He wont stay much longer if this keeps going on.

He's already gone. The reason he is playin so well is for his new contract at his new club

amacachi · 22-01-2012 7:14pm

Chesney - fine.
Djourou - Holocaust.
Per - fine.
Kos - excellent as ever.
Verm - pulled out of position too often
Rosicky - pretty damn good.
Ramsey - anonymous.
Song - Poor, bad first touches, gave it away a coupla time.
Oxo - Very good.
Walcott - Walcott.
RVP - Missed the sitter but scored when he shouldn't have.

We should be fine defensively when some of the FBs come back, need to get rid of Walcott though and Song and Ramsey have really been letting themselves down lately.

gnfnrhead · 22-01-2012 7:16pm

amacachi wrote: »

Chesney - fine.
Djourou - Holocaust.
Per - fine.
Kos - excellent as ever.
Verm - pulled out of position too often
Rosicky - pretty damn good.
Ramsey - anonymous.
Song - Poor, bad first touches, gave it away a coupla time.
Oxo - Very good.
Walcott - Walcott.
RVP - Missed the sitter but scored when he shouldn't have.

We should be fine defensively when some of the FBs come back, need to get rid of Walcott though and Song and Ramsey have really been letting themselves down lately.

Song needs a rest, he's played nearly every game and it's starting to catch up on him. He needs a break for a week or two. Ramsey likewise but he'll be getting that when Wilshere comes back. It'll be an easy choice if he keeps up his current performances.

jordainius · 22-01-2012 7:22pm

KeithAFC wrote: »

We will win!

I'd love to know why you thought we'd beat United, got a bit carried away? Arsenal usually become incontinent at the sight of United on a pitch against them, and with our woeful form, lack of creativity in midfield, over reliance on RVP, lack of full backs and abundance of dodgy centre backs, we were never going to win that game.

amacachi · 22-01-2012 7:22pm

Arsenal/United 2001 on ESPN Classic, nice.

Redzer7 · 22-01-2012 7:22pm

Don't even know what to say..

Pepe LeFrits · 22-01-2012 7:24pm

Redzer7 wrote: »

Don't even know what to say..

Wenger and the board should fall on their swords.

Noo · 22-01-2012 7:26pm

Completely agree with those player opinions. Yennaris also did ok, at least he has a rb brain and could only do better than that other donkey. The quicker tv gets back to cb and wilshere comes back the better.

Oxo should have his first team place cemented after that.

cson · 22-01-2012 7:27pm

Illuminating to see RVP bollocking Wenger for taking Oxo off.

Drexel · 22-01-2012 7:28pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Song needs a rest, he's played nearly every game and it's starting to catch up on him. He needs a break for a week or two. Ramsey likewise but he'll be getting that when Wilshere comes back. It'll be an easy choice if he keeps up his current performances.

i dunno whats wrong with Song but he hasnt looked too interested the last couple of matches

Frisbee · 22-01-2012 7:28pm

Taking Chamberlain off was as retarded as playing Santos againt Olympiacos.

Marty McFly · 22-01-2012 7:28pm

Enough is enough. Wenger has to accept responsibililty for the result today possibly the worst subsitution ive ever seen, completely changed the game in Uniteds favour im lost for words im just dying to know how he can justify it, also why hasnt he made any signings its seems everyone in the world bar Wenger can see Arshavin and Walsott are a disgrace to the jersey, there out there wearing 125 yr anniversary jerseys and there pissing all over its legacy.

Also Song was useless today but once again injurys have forced our hand, Coquelin played at left back get injured, send Frimpong out on loan now also injured whos going to take his place to give him a rest?

DB10 · 22-01-2012 7:29pm

Gutted, for once I really thought we would win especially after that equalizer.
Really cannot see us getting 4th.

jordainius · 22-01-2012 7:29pm

amacachi wrote: »

Arsenal/United 2001 on ESPN Classic, nice.

I'm guessing that's the game where Henry made an idiot of Barthez and not the 6-1 at OT?!

Noo · 22-01-2012 7:30pm

jonny666 wrote: »

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Song needs a rest, he's played nearly every game and it's starting to catch up on him. He needs a break for a week or two. Ramsey likewise but he'll be getting that when Wilshere comes back. It'll be an easy choice if he keeps up his current performances.

i dunno whats wrong with Song but he hasnt looked too interested the last couple of matches

Song has been woeful to watch lately. I've said it before, id rather have wilshere replace him than ramsey.

Awaits backlash...

DB10 · 22-01-2012 7:32pm

That substitution, as someone pointed out in the match thread, was reminscent of the end of the Benitez reign at Liverpool were Torres was subbed and Gerrard was scratching his head.

Utter disbelief when it happened, I really think Wenger will regret that substitution.

jordainius · 22-01-2012 7:35pm

DB10 wrote: »

Gutted, for once I really thought we would win especially after that equalizer.
Really cannot see us getting 4th.

Shade's of 05/06, we never looked like finishing 4th, only actually got there on the last day of the season, our best player/striker/captain hasn't signed a contract yet with only a year left, and it looks as though our only chance of qualifying for the champions league is to go and win it.

Thurdsay nights, channel 5 here we come. We should all enjoy 4 more months of RVP while it lasts.

revz · 22-01-2012 7:48pm

lads relax, do you think the Liverpool fans in their thread have given up all hope of getting 4th?
I highly doubt it, and we're still in a better position than them.
Today wasn't the result that's killing our season, the 2 results before it were.
We actually put up a decent display in the 2nd half, Utd are a very strong team as their position in the league shows, losing 2-1 isn't the end of the world.

Saying that, The Ox has definitely shown he needs to be the first name on the team sheet accompanying VP as an attacker.
Arshavin has to go. This window. Walcott is not good enough. Either shape up or he should be out. Djourou is not a right back, but that was a shocking display in the first half.
We need to invest, this window or at the start of next summer, or else someone like Barca will come in for RvP, and I couldn't blame him one single bit for not staying.

SDTimeout · 22-01-2012 7:51pm

The Ox had cramp / was fatigued / was sick during the week.

I'm alright with that, pretty glad I didn't jump down Wenger's throat now and pretty unfair the way everyone critisizing him when he also made a great Sub in Yennaris for Johan. Yennaris is a very good crosser of the ball.

Sergio · 22-01-2012 7:53pm

Dya know something and its perhaps an awful way to be thinking but with this current arsenal squad and the mentality in the team i actually knew today deep down in the pit of my stomach that utd were going to win the game.Even when RVP scored an amazing equaliser i think i knew utd were going to score again to win the game.
Our defense cost us badly again today with TV not cover the back post and leaving valencia in behind him and a combination of individual errors for their 2nd goal.

tayto lover · 22-01-2012 7:55pm

jordainius wrote: »

Shade's of 05/06, we never looked like finishing 4th, only actually got there on the last day of the season, our best player/striker/captain hasn't signed a contract yet with only a year left, and it looks as though our only chance of qualifying for the champions league is to go and win it.

Thurdsay nights, channel 5 here we come. We should all enjoy 4 more months of RVP while it lasts.

RVP will be on his bike if he has sense. That team is going nowhere with Wenger at the helm and he is pleasing the Board with his inactivity so he won't go too easily. What annoys me about the Arsenal team of the last number of years is the pure cowardice of the players. The lack of "will to win" that has crept into the side and which the manager is allowing. When did we win a 50/50 ball or a ball in the air today ? Merts header towards goal near the end is all I can remember. We have no players like Adams, Bould, Keown or Dixon who would die for the jersey and all we have is wee runts who get pushed aside and give up too easily. Wenger has ruined the team.

Noo · 22-01-2012 7:55pm

I don't get why people are absolutely 100% positive rvp is gonna leave and i have to keep asking where the hell is he gonna go? He's 30-odd, injury prone, and will cost a fortune to buy off arsenal. I can't see the teams in Europe better than arsenal willing to take that chance on him.

Marty McFly · 22-01-2012 7:55pm

SDTimeout wrote: »

The Ox had cramp / was fatigued / was sick during the week.

I'm alright with that, pretty glad I didn't jump down Wenger's throat now and pretty unfair the way everyone critisizing him when he also made a great Sub in Yennaris for Johan. Yennaris is a very good crosser of the ball.

You mean you bought that excuse? Id imagine if that were true Van Persie wouldve been aware of the situation beforehand and also through talking to Chamberlain whilst they were on the pitch together and wouldnt have looked as pissed off as he did when the sub was made. I think its a bs excuse from Wenger to cover himself.

amacachi · 22-01-2012 7:56pm

SDTimeout wrote: »

The Ox had cramp / was fatigued / was sick during the week.

I'm alright with that, pretty glad I didn't jump down Wenger's throat now and pretty unfair the way everyone critisizing him when he also made a great Sub in Yennaris for Johan. Yennaris is a very good crosser of the ball.

Wenger shouldn't play anyone who might get injured.

ImpossibleDuck · 22-01-2012 7:56pm

Even though the decision to bring Arshavin on was amazingly idiotic, I don't hold him at fault for the winner. The simple fact is that Thomas Vermaelen was nowhere to be found. Arshavin held the attacker off for as long as he could and I know I, for one, was frantically searching my screen for Vermaelen.

He was totally out of position and totally at fault, IMO, as he was (in conjunction with Djourou) for the first goal.

I know a lot of people in here, myself included, think he is one of the few great ambitious players in this Arsenal team but you cannot simply overlook a performance like that because you like the player. He needs to be held accountable.

On a lighter note, how fantastic was Chamberlain today?

He frankly embarrassed Walcott IMO.

Drexel · 22-01-2012 7:58pm

Noo wrote: »

I don't get why people are absolutely 100% positive rvp is gonna leave and i have to keep asking where the hell is he gonna go? He's 30-odd, injury prone, and will cost a fortune to buy off arsenal. I can't see the teams in Europe better than arsenal willing to take that chance on him.

He's only 28 AFAIK and one of the top strikers in Europe. He has been injury free for well over a year. Not even a niggle. There will be plenty of takers imo

Marty McFly · 22-01-2012 7:58pm

Noo wrote: »

I don't get why people are absolutely 100% positive rvp is gonna leave and i have to keep asking where the hell is he gonna go? He's 30-odd, injury prone, and will cost a fortune to buy off arsenal. I can't see the teams in Europe better than arsenal willing to take that chance on him.

hes 30 odd? they wont need to buy him off us his contract is running down. Many a team in europe would give there left testicle to have a player of Van Persies calibre in there team.

SDTimeout · 22-01-2012 7:59pm

amacachi wrote: »

Wenger shouldn't play anyone who might get injured.

Were you complaining when you saw Verm's name on the team sheet ?

Dercola · 22-01-2012 8:01pm

Anyone else notice RVP staring blankly into the crowd at the end of the game? In my honest opinion, I think he's already decided that his future lies elsewhere.. I can't blame him tho. Hes in the prime of his carrer now, and the only genuine world class player at the club.. How long is he with us? 7/8 years? And all he has is a single FA cup to his name...

Oh, and was I the only one that was semi impressed with our Park when he came on? I know he only had a few touches and made a couple of runs, but in those 7 minutes he done as much as Arshavin has all season.. Plus Park apparently can play anwhere across the front 3.

What are peoples thoughts on seeing, Oxo, RVP, Park as our front 3 next time around?? Can't be worse than what we've had to endure the last few months...

SDTimeout · 22-01-2012 8:03pm

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

You mean you bought that excuse? Id imagine if that were true Van Persie wouldve been aware of the situation beforehand and also through talking to Chamberlain whilst they were on the pitch together and wouldnt have looked as pissed off as he did when the sub was made. I think its a bs excuse from Wenger to cover himself.

I don't see why we shouldn't. Wenger didn't decide right after the goal to substitute him. When we saw Ox's name on the starting XI. It wouldn't have been too far to say he's not going to get a full game. Journalists were tweeting that Arshavin was warming up too. It's not like Wenger saw something positive and then decided he didn't want to continue it.

My main gripe is why for Arshavin. I would have rathered see Yossi come on than Arshavin.

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