Broadstone Metro Depot

Transport21 Fan · 17-07-2006 1:26pm #1

Caught something on the radio this morning about Broastone being developed into the site for the metro depot. Anyone here about this?

murphaph · 17-07-2006 1:37pm

No, sounds crazy tbh. Valuable city centre land around Broadstone and the metro will pass through much more suitable nondeveloped areas near the airport. You sure it wasn't just more shoddy journalism Thomas?

SeanW · 17-07-2006 2:10pm

Metro's not even going near broadstone AFAIK, sounds like rubbish reporting.

Winters · 17-07-2006 2:27pm

You must have been mistaken or else shoddy journalism. Doesn't make sense. Was it Tobercurry FM Thomas?

Metro North depot most likely north of Dublin Airport or east of metropark.

MarkoP11 · 17-07-2006 2:27pm

The metro proposals clearly show depot locations all of which are close to the M50.

Metro doesn't go through Broadstone, Luas will skirt around the south eastern side of the former station but won't touch the station itself

Dublin Bus are considering a new depot in Clondalkin and are going to sell up Donnybrook (well part of it) and the DB site in Broadstone which is or is mean't to be idle to pay for it

MicraBoy · 17-07-2006 2:37pm

They mention a few possibilities here. Whatever they do it better stay available for the proposed LUAS line!

Dublin Bus to sell prime properties if fleet plan gets green light

DUBLIN Bus is hoping to develop a new bus depot and may sell some of its prime properties close to the city centre.

This would rake in millions of euro from property developers.

The company has sought government approval to expand its fleet and buy 200 new buses but, since its existing depots are almost full, it would need to build a new facility.

The company owns depots in Donnybrook - where land is valued at up to €40m per acre - and also has property in Ringsend, Clontarf, Broadstone and other sought-after locations close to the city centre.

There would be intense interest from property developers looking for prime sites in such locations.

The Broadstone depot may be redeveloped as a depot for the planned Metro rail system. This depot is not currently in use

Alternatively, with Dublin Institute of Technology moving to a new campus in Grangegorman, the Broadstone depot would be an ideal location for building student accommodation.

It emerged yesterday that the company is examining potential sites in and around Clondalkin, and that part of its business plan is to expand its fleet by 200 buses.

"If we did get the 200 buses we would need a new depot or a location for them to be housed, but there's no confirmation yet," a spokesperson said.

"Everything is pending. If we do get the nod, we'd be lacking foresight if we didn't look around. The other depots are full of buses, but Harristown has capacity for about 60 more."

If a new facility is built in west Dublin, the company will have to consider the costs of getting drivers to the base every day.

"If you have a depot out in the sticks you've the costs of getting people and buses in and out," the spokesperson added.

More than five years ago, consultants engaged on behalf of CIE Properties, which owns the depots, put a value of €73m on the sites in Donnybrook and Ringsend, which are both in Dublin 4.

At current market value, they would be worth much more.

markf909 · 17-07-2006 2:49pm

"If you have a depot out in the sticks you've the costs of getting people and buses in and out," the spokesperson added.

I'd hardly call Clondalkin remote, but perhaps this is an implicit admission that the area is currently poorly served by public transport (outside of Clondalkin village).

MarkoP11 · 17-07-2006 3:01pm

The company owns depots in Donnybrook - where land is valued at up to €40m per acre - and also has property in Ringsend, Clontarf, Broadstone and other sought-after locations close to the city centre.

I think you will find Dublin Bus don't own any of its depots

Transport21 Fan · 17-07-2006 3:36pm

It sounded like a weird story to me too, but I now see they got it from the ever so accruate and unbiased Indo.

Once they fund and build the Metro ASPA I really couldn't give a toss were the depot is located.

Victor · 18-07-2006 2:18am

markf909 wrote:

I'd hardly call Clondalkin remote, but perhaps this is an implicit admission that the area is currently poorly served by public transport (outside of Clondalkin village).

I think you'll find that many a bus driver has to be at work before full services start operating in the morning.

shltter · 18-07-2006 2:54am

MarkoP11 wrote:

I think you will find Dublin Bus don't own any of its depots

Well they in particular don't own Broadstone

Broadstone is the BE depot DB had a temporary garage there before Harristown opened. The city tours are still up there I think but there is no garage there and it was only rented from BE.

The Dublin Bus garage beside broadstone is Phisboro which is a completely separate depot.

John R · 18-07-2006 12:23pm

Both those stories are mainly bull and uninformed supposition.

In the short term there is no possibility of any depot site being released for development.

Broadstone is needed for Bus Eireann and Dublin Bus are going to start using it again to cope with the expected fleet expansion.

All of their garages except Harristown are already at capacity, any new garages will just be able to cope with the necessary expansion over the next few years under T21.

There was mention of the possibility of releasing one city location once the rail element of T21 makes a fleet reduction a possibility, that won't be for 10 years at the earliest.

There are plans for the depot in Clondalkin/Adamstown to take over the main operations from the Conyngham Rd and Ringsend depots however the expansion will mean these will still be necessary for some time to come.

Disposing of the Donnybrook site which would by far be the most lucrative in CIE ownership would not be a possibility unless a huge replacement was built in South East Dublin, currently there are no plans for one and suitable land in that area is expensive and scarce.

AFAIR Ringsend isn't owned by CIE at all, it is on a long term lease. All the others are part of the CIE property portfolio.

markf909 · 18-07-2006 12:27pm

While we are on the subject of bus depots, was there a plan at some stage to put a bus depot in behind Liffey Valley SC?
I recall seeing a sign near there once, claiming that a bus depot was to be built?
Does anyone know if this was for Dublin Bus?

John R · 18-07-2006 12:28pm

markf909 wrote:

I'd hardly call Clondalkin remote, but perhaps this is an implicit admission that the area is currently poorly served by public transport (outside of Clondalkin village).

It is more to do with the fact that the drivers will be transferring from City and South City depots, a large number of them will not be living anywhere close to the Clondalkin/Adamstown area.

The proposed Depot location is in a relatively remote area at the moment.

Drivers need to be in the depot outside normal service hours so it really has nothing to do with the service available in the area. Like with Harristown it is likely that many of the services will run to/from the new depot location.

Broadstone Metro Depot

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