I hope our Legislators are Proud

Foxhound38 · 29-09-2013 2:08pm

Since when is it Endas problem that the courts enforced the law, which these people broke?

The law is if you have a TV, you have to pay your TV licence fee. These people didn't, and got caught out. Don't like it? Move somewhere where the law doesn't require the payment of a TV licence fee...

Foxhound38 · 29-09-2013 2:10pm

yoloc wrote: »

The gardi cant cross the border TBH, where i live, they dont call to the doors. Their cars have been burnt 6times in last few years so they dont return lol. Next time they should be tied to the chair doing the queens work on our island

:rolleyes:

Well done you, your parents must be so proud

Guy:Incognito · 29-09-2013 2:15pm

Foxhound38 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Well done you, your parents must be so proud

He's taking the queens money and paying in to her system in some way or another so he's probably an outcast in the family. If not then the ironing is delicious. It also seems lost on him.

Systemic Risk · 29-09-2013 2:35pm

yoloc wrote: »

The gardi cant cross the border TBH, where i live, they dont call to the doors. Their cars have been burnt 6times in last few years so they dont return lol. Next time they should be tied to the chair doing the queens work on our island

Grow up. Child.

minidazzler · 29-09-2013 2:51pm

The state threatening violence on ANYONE over non-payment of a TV licence or a fine is inherently wrong. And that's exactly what they do. They threaten to send their bag men around to cart you away to jail for doing nothing literally.

Crimes should only be able to be commited against people where there is a direct tangible effect to the negative on people. But law makers tend to love coming up with newer and stupider laws.

Fred Swanson · 29-09-2013 2:55pm

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minidazzler · 29-09-2013 3:17pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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No. I'm not. How can you commit a crime where nothing happens to anyone because you literally did nothing?

And it is a threat of violence for doing nothing.

BattleCorp · 29-09-2013 4:43pm

They aren't elderly people because pensioners get a free tv licence here in Ireland.

And so what if they were elderly. Laws apply to everyone, no matter what age they are.

Whether you agree with the TV licence fee is irrelevant. It has to be paid and that's the law.

If you don't pay it, there has to be consequences. If there were no consequences, I wouldn't pay any of my debts or bills. And neither would a hell of a lot of people.

The couple knew that they didn't have a tv licence so they knew they were doing wrong. They could have paid for it in instalments.

And one last point, people don't get jailed for not having a television licence. They get jailed for not paying a court fine.

zega · 29-09-2013 7:17pm

The tv licence is ****ed in the head,if you buy a big samsung TV and only use it as a computer monitor you still have to get a licence for it.

Balls to that.

Guy:Incognito · 29-09-2013 7:28pm

minidazzler wrote: »

No. I'm not. How can you commit a crime where nothing happens to anyone because you literally did nothing?

And it is a threat of violence for doing nothing.

Where's the threat of violence? The Gardaí arrive and escort you to jail. Unless you start resisting then there's no violence and they most likely didn't even make contact with either person unless they helped them in or out of the car.

minidazzler wrote: »

They threaten to send their bag men around to cart you away to jail for doing nothing literally.
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But in this case, "doing nothing" means not paying your tax. Is it ok for people to just "do nothing" with income tax or other bills?

Fred Swanson · 29-09-2013 7:40pm

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bumper234 · 29-09-2013 7:41pm

yoloc wrote: »

The gardi cant cross the border TBH, where i live, they dont call to the doors. Their cars have been burnt 6times in last few years so they dont return lol. Next time they should be tied to the chair doing the queens work on our island

Sounds like a classy place to live.

Fred Swanson · 29-09-2013 7:42pm

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bumper234 · 29-09-2013 7:44pm

minidazzler wrote: »

No. I'm not. How can you commit a crime where nothing happens to anyone because you literally did nothing?

And it is a threat of violence for doing nothing.

So no one should pay for a tv licence driving licence dog licence? If someone gets a fine they shouldn't have to pay? What is the name of this Eutopian society that you live in?

flutered · 29-09-2013 7:45pm

Lapin wrote: »

They let a bloke into the Dochas Centre :eek::eek::eek:

He can count himself lucky they didn't bang him up with the Scissors Sisters.

Half an hour would be more than enough time for them to chop the head off him.

or get him to make them pregnant, like happened to the chineese bloke some time ago, that must rate as the most horrifing shag of all time, stomuch churning, imagne the flash backs from that.

Sh1tbag OToole · 30-09-2013 12:29am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

But in this case, "doing nothing" means not paying your tax. Is it ok for people to just "do nothing" with income tax or other bills?

Anything that will bleed the government dry or give them less money to send to Germany is a good thing.

The government is not an organisation that's out there to help us

minidazzler · 30-09-2013 2:23am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Where's the threat of violence? The Gardaí arrive and escort you to jail. Unless you start resisting then there's no violence and they most likely didn't even make contact with either person unless they helped them in or out of the car.

But in this case, "doing nothing" means not paying your tax. Is it ok for people to just "do nothing" with income tax or other bills?

If I just sat down when the Gardai came to take me to jail they would use violence to drag me for not just going. I wouldn't have to resist, just do nothing and they'll start dragging me..... that is the violence I speak of. I wouldn't consider doing absolutely nothing to be resisting anything. It's just not complying with the demands of someone else.

And it's a licence fee, not a tax..

bumper234 wrote: »

So no one should pay for a tv licence driving licence dog licence? If someone gets a fine they shouldn't have to pay? What is the name of this Eutopian society that you live in?

My argument is that since no crime is being committed against a person, no harm has come to anyone and in effect, not having a TV licence has no effect positive or negative on anything, then it should not be considered a crime to take before the courts. So the fine should just not exist.

And by getting a driving licence you're choosing to drive and choosing to avail of a service. By just owning something that can receive a transmission doesn't mean you intend to use that service. I have not watched a show on RTE in probably 5 years or any other TV station for that matter. Why should I have to pay?

MadsL · 30-09-2013 11:02am

minidazzler wrote: »

And by getting a driving licence you're choosing to drive and choosing to avail of a service. By just owning something that can receive a transmission doesn't mean you intend to use that service. I have not watched a show on RTE in probably 5 years or any other TV station for that matter. Why should I have to pay?

If your car is just sitting on the road do you not also pay tax?

The TV licence doesn't just pay for TV.

yaro · 30-09-2013 10:06pm

MadsL wrote: »

If your car is just sitting on the road do you not also pay tax?

The TV licence doesn't just pay for TV.

if you don't use the car you don't have to pay the tax! when you want to renew your tax after a period of not using your car you can go to Garda and they'll get you a cert which you present to motor tax office and the new tax commence form the date you give to motor tax.

So no, if you don't use your tv for receiving tv signal you should not have to pay tv licence! ridiculous fee!

BattleCorp · 30-09-2013 10:11pm

yaro wrote: »

if you don't use the car you don't have to pay the tax! when you want to renew your tax after a period of not using your car you can go to Garda and they'll get you a cert which you present to motor tax office and the new tax commence form the date you give to motor tax.

So no, if you don't use your tv for receiving tv signal you should not have to pay tv licence! ridiculous fee!

Eh, no. If your car is parked in a public place, you have to pay the road tax. It doesn't matter if you use it or not.

yaro · 30-09-2013 10:23pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

Eh, no. If your car is parked in a public place, you have to pay the road tax. It doesn't matter if you use it or not.

fair enough, since it's parked on the public road you're using some kind of public service. if it's parked on your driveway there is no offence as it's not public place.

so how can you pay tv licence if you don't use the service? my tv is used only for gaming and dvd's. no digital or analogue aerial, no cable tv, no tv service. what is the tv licence for? extortion for owning a tv

BattleCorp · 30-09-2013 10:30pm

yaro wrote: »

so how can you pay tv licence if you don't use the service? my tv is used only for gaming and dvd's. no digital or analogue aerial, no cable tv, no tv service. what is the tv licence for? extortion for owning a tv

Smart answer: You can go to the post office to pay your tv licence.

Not so smart answer: It doesn't matter whether you use the tv or not to receive a signal. The fact is you need a tv licence because it's the law. I've to pay my gun licence just for the pleasure of owning a gun. It doesn't matter if it stays in the safe for 20 years, I still have to pay the licence.

And yes, I agree with you that it's extortion for owning a tv.

yaro · 30-09-2013 10:40pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

Smart answer: You can go to the post office to pay your tv licence.

Not so smart answer: It doesn't matter whether you use the tv or not to receive a signal. The fact is you need a tv licence because it's the law. I've to pay my gun licence just for the pleasure of owning a gun. It doesn't matter if it stays in the safe for 20 years, I still have to pay the licence.

And yes, I agree with you that it's extortion for owning a tv.

I was paying when I had tv service connected (ntl) previously and I agree that you should pay it when you actually watch tv broadcast.

The law is the law, agreed, but the law should be updated and should be there to protect people not work against them. the rule that was put in place when the only thing you could play on tv was tv broadcast is way out of date these days when tv unit can serve as simple monitor for many different things. It just enrages me when Garda do nothing to thugs robbing houses and stealing from regular people but they get engaged in enforcing of ridiculous rules. I really believe that someone should look at it objectively and just changed it.

BattleCorp · 30-09-2013 10:45pm

With the new household public broadcast service obligation charge, or whatever the fcuk they are calling it, you won't even have to own a tv in order to pay it.

Every household will have to pay it, tv or not.

I wonder how that will work with businesses. At the moment, they too have to pay a tv licence if they have one.

I wonder will every business in the country have to pay the public broadcast service charge?

yaro · 30-09-2013 10:54pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

With the new household public broadcast service obligation charge, or whatever the fcuk they are calling it, you won't even have to own a tv in order to pay it.

Every household will have to pay it, tv or not.

I wonder how that will work with businesses. At the moment, they too have to pay a tv licence if they have one.

I wonder will every business in the country have to pay the public broadcast service charge?

this is just not right! first property tax, like the market hasn't suffered enough, another discouragement for the buyers,
next the water charges - shouldn't they fix the network before they start charging us? nearly 70% percent of the waste are mains leaks!! and if we are paying for the water do they guarantee the service? we will see next winter anyway...
and then this household broadcast charge... who comes out with those ideas? haven't people paid enough? any idea when is it becoming live?

yaro · 30-09-2013 11:00pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

With the new household public broadcast service obligation charge, or whatever the fcuk they are calling it, you won't even have to own a tv in order to pay it.

Every household will have to pay it, tv or not.

I wonder how that will work with businesses. At the moment, they too have to pay a tv licence if they have one.

I wonder will every business in the country have to pay the public broadcast service charge?

and to answer your question they probably will have to pay it as they have to pay for water already, but since they are paying for water they are getting it even when regular people don't.
example: charlestown shopping centre during x-mas 2010 - shopping centre below had water all the time, people living above it were cut off for nearly a week

I hope our Legislators are Proud

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