Formula 1 2014: General Discussion Thread

Jordan 199 · 26-11-2014 3:45pm

clear thinking wrote: »

Was that Lamborghini engine being used by Scuderia Italia in 1993? As I recall McLaren opted for peugeot which was a disaster, jordan ended up with them a year later as cast offs and did ok despite it being 30kg over weight and costing about 50 points and multiple podiums by blowing up. Lambo ditched F1 when Mclaren didnt sign up. *edit: google has reminded me it was larousse F1 with the lamborghini motor.

Larrousse used the Lamborghini engines in 1993, Scuderia Italia used Ferrari V12's.

As for Jordan, the engines Peugeot supplied to Jordan in 1997 had plenty of power. The Jordan 197 was a very good car.

Going Strong · 26-11-2014 4:17pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Larrousse used the Lamborghini engines in 1993, Scuderia Italia used Ferrari V12's.

As for Jordan, the engines Peugeot supplied to Jordan in 1997 had plenty of power. The Jordan 197 was a very good car.

I recall a quote from Gary Anderson that was somewhat less than complimentary about Peugeot. Something like, "Right Monsieur Jordan, 'ere is your engines for the season. See you next year." They got about one update all year long for the faster tracks at Hockenheim and Monza and nothing more.

bbability · 26-11-2014 6:12pm

Jean Eric Vergne just confirmed he will not return to Torro Rosso next year

https://twitter.com/jeanericvergne/status/537612225587195904

HighLine · 26-11-2014 6:19pm

bbability wrote: »

Jean Eric Vergne just confirmed he will not return to Torro Rosso next year

https://twitter.com/jeanericvergne/status/537612225587195904

To which Jenson replied...

https://twitter.com/JensonButton/status/537654310591803392

Suggesting Jenson is staying?

Ghost Train · 26-11-2014 6:42pm

jenson hoping he will be staying

Cookie_Monster · 26-11-2014 8:44pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I'd take half a second slower if they sounded nicer.

but but... they do sound nicer this year, as in the don't have a horrible high pitch scream which is damagingly loud. High pitched whines don't sound good no matter how loud

yeah, I went there again

Myrddin · 26-11-2014 8:45pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

but but... they do sound nicer this year, as in the don't have a horrible high pitch scream which is damagingly loud. High pitched whines don't sound good no matter how loud
yeah, I went there again

Burn him! He's the witch!

ScumLord · 26-11-2014 9:43pm

I like the sound. Screaming engines are just outdated relics of the past.

Infoanon · 26-11-2014 10:23pm

Ghost Train wrote: »

jenson hoping he will be staying

I was listening to Lewis Hamilton on 5live and reading between the lines Mclaren may sign option 4 : Stoffel Vandoorne

mickdw · 26-11-2014 11:03pm

To be honest, it would sit better with alot of people if they got rid of button and magnussen instead of just dumping button.

Frank Bullitt · 27-11-2014 12:23am

I think it would be better for Button to stay, Honda could do with strong results with it being their first year back in the sport. K-Mag has potential but I think having him in a team like McLaren so early wasn't the best idea.

It would also be a shame for him to not be in F1 at all next year, but it looks like there are no seats for him. And putting him in a 3rd driver role might not work either mainly because they already have Vandroorne there in waiting, which would mean he would have to leave. Its a case of there being not enough room at the inn for everyone.

ScumLord · 27-11-2014 2:17pm

Gintonious wrote: »

And putting him in a 3rd driver role might not work either mainly because they already have Vandroorne there in waiting, which would mean he would have to leave. Its a case of there being not enough room at the inn for everyone.

I'd say Jenson would have no problem moving to a different series or even becoming a presenter if he loses his seat, I wouldn't see him taking a 3rd driver role.

HighLine · 27-11-2014 2:50pm

I seriously don't understand how people can go on about preferring to hear tyre squeal and crowds cheering!! This is supposed to be F1. Anyone who has ever been to a race will know how past F1 cars used to make you feel, the earth shattering sound that would reverberate deep in your chest. Even watching on TV this year - when the red light sequence counts down, there was a pathetic mild rumble. A real shame.

If you want to hear tyre squeal, head on down to Kylemore.

Myrddin · 27-11-2014 3:29pm

^ because you can't have both

Tire squeal was always there, we just couldn't hear it with the noise of the engine. Reduce that noise, & other things like crowds & tires then become audible. Increase the noise, & they go bye bye

ScumLord · 27-11-2014 3:45pm

HighLine wrote: »

I seriously don't understand how people can go on about preferring to hear tyre squeal and crowds cheering!!

Tyre squeal would give you more information about the car for one thing.

Actually, hearing the crowd this year I think did add to the excitement of races. I'd never heard the cheering before, it never even dawned on me that F1 fans would be cheering on the cars. There were some great moments in Brazil where the crowd reacted to overtakes that really added to the atmosphere.

Going Strong · 27-11-2014 4:02pm

My favourite was the roar at Monza when Hamilton made Rosberg choke at the the first chicane.

Myrddin · 27-11-2014 4:17pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Actually, hearing the crowd this year I think did add to the excitement of races. I'd never heard the cheering before, it never even dawned on me that F1 fans would be cheering on the cars. There were some great moments in Brazil where the crowd reacted to overtakes that really added to the atmosphere.

Fully agree there, the crowd noises add a lot to the race. I remember the cheering for Ricciardo in Australia back in March, brilliant stuff.

27-11-2014 4:21pm

HighLine wrote: »

I seriously don't understand how people can go on about preferring to hear tyre squeal and crowds cheering!! This is supposed to be F1. Anyone who has ever been to a race will know how past F1 cars used to make you feel, the earth shattering sound that would reverberate deep in your chest. Even watching on TV this year - when the red light sequence counts down, there was a pathetic mild rumble. A real shame.

Apart from the 80s eh?

ScumLord wrote: »

Tyre squeal would give you more information about the car for one thing.

Actually, hearing the crowd this year I think did add to the excitement of races. I'd never heard the cheering before, it never even dawned on me that F1 fans would be cheering on the cars. There were some great moments in Brazil where the crowd reacted to overtakes that really added to the atmosphere.

Watch classic F1 on BBC when it's on, crowds used to be audible. I don't know if it was sound mixing or ticket prices that changed that. Hungary was particularly good in the late 90s with Schumi and Hakkinen fighting it out with thousands of Finns in the crowd.

PukkaStukka · 27-11-2014 5:09pm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I wonder, is there a more efficient way of making more noise with the same amount of energy? Please don't say trumpets.

Twin exhausts and two turbos....but that would need a significant rule change.

As an aside, I was at Silverstone in '88 when the turbo's had their swansong. What struck me about them then in comparrison to the V8 atmos was how quiet the turbo's were on light throttle, e.g. around Woodcote Chicane. The racket they made at full tilt down the hanger straight was another matter entirely

Tea 1000 · 27-11-2014 5:58pm

GarIT wrote: »

Physics says no. To create noise you need to use energy from elsewhere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

Noise in an engine is caused by friction or vibrations, neither are good.

The noise is muted by the exhaust being fed into the turbo rather than straight out the side.

Frank Bullitt · 27-11-2014 6:23pm

So Hulkenberg is having a go at LeMans this year, nice.

Also, am I the only one here who is happy that we didn't see that stupid Vettel finger at all for the whole season???

Frank Bullitt · 27-11-2014 7:09pm

ScumLord wrote: »

I'd say Jenson would have no problem moving to a different series or even becoming a presenter if he loses his seat, I wouldn't see him taking a 3rd driver role.

Sorry, I was referring to Mag or Van, no way at all Button would do a 3rd role. Better to leave than do that.

GarIT · 27-11-2014 7:18pm

Tea 1000 wrote: »

The noise is muted by the exhaust being fed into the turbo rather than straight out the side.

You cant just mute noise, you have to absorb it. i.e the turbo takes its power from the energy that would normally be wasted.

muckwarrior · 27-11-2014 8:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Apart from the 80s eh?

Watch classic F1 on BBC when it's on, crowds used to be audible. I don't know if it was sound mixing or ticket prices that changed that. Hungary was particularly good in the late 90s with Schumi and Hakkinen fighting it out with thousands of Finns in the crowd.

I can tell you that in the late 90s they were plenty loud! I'll never forget being on my way to the track in Monza, when still a couple of miles away we heard the thundering scream of an engine in the distance. Sent a shiver down my spine and it's something I'll never forget. Can't imagine too many people would say the same about the V6s.

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greedygoblin · 28-11-2014 12:15am

Ghost Train wrote: »

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Cheers Ghost Train. Good spot.

Jordan 199 · 28-11-2014 6:14pm

Carlos Sainz Jr. to race for Toro Rosso next season.

Myrddin · 28-11-2014 7:42pm

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Carlos Sainz Jr. to race for Toro Rosso next season.

Time to start the 2015 thread?

Ghost Train · 28-11-2014 7:50pm

Susie Wolff will be Williams official test driver next year with Nasr going to Sauber

Charlie-Bravo · 28-11-2014 10:19pm

I just wonder, I just wonder, if Susie is a spy :rolleyes:

greedygoblin · 28-11-2014 10:37pm

astrofluff wrote: »

I just wonder, I just wonder, if Susie is a spy :rolleyes:

Or maybe Toto is.:eek:
Williams did do rather well this year.:pac:

Ghost Train · 28-11-2014 11:00pm

wonder do they have a race car bed

Robbo · 29-11-2014 2:49am

Rosberg, Sainz, Verstappen and possibly Magnussen Jnr next year. We need to find out which drivers are producing male heirs and then plonk many fivers on with Paddy Power at 500/1.

smellslikeshoes · 29-11-2014 7:07pm

Marussia stuff being sold off, worth looking at just for all the pictures.

Zcott · 29-11-2014 9:06pm

Vettel had his first run in the Ferrari today, the 2012 car.

hotwhiskey · 29-11-2014 9:12pm

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

Marussia stuff being sold off, worth looking at just for all the pictures.

Looking through those pics make me very sad.:(

Ghost Train · 30-11-2014 2:13am

Hope we don't lose a Button in the next day or two

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt_jFeNBxlA

v3ttel · 01-12-2014 11:30am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHDbXDiMEK4

_rebelkid · 01-12-2014 11:56am

aphex™ · 01-12-2014 12:54pm

Bet he just wanted to drive the V8 again.

Back to baby tantrums and whinging with the V6 at the next testing session I suppose.

Sterling Archer · 01-12-2014 12:58pm

Caterham have been given dispensation to compete in 2015 with this year's car should a buyer be found for the team.

With the decision to be ratified by this week's meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Doha, it would allow a new owner to at least be in F1 with a base on which to build for 2016.

Administrator Finbarr O'Connell said: "The F1 Commission and FIA agreed if it would assist the weaker teams they can use the 2014 car next year, so giving them more time and options.

Linky - http://www.sportinglife.com/formula1/news/article/2/9588291/formula-one-caterham-will-be-allowed-to-use-this-years-car-in-the-2015-f1-championship

PopePalpatine · 01-12-2014 1:06pm

That makes no sense to me. What's the odds that they'll rack up a DNQ?

smellslikeshoes · 01-12-2014 1:56pm

Shane_ef wrote: »

Caterham have been given dispensation to compete in 2015 with this year's car should a buyer be found for the team.

Linky - http://www.sportinglife.com/formula1/news/article/2/9588291/formula-one-caterham-will-be-allowed-to-use-this-years-car-in-the-2015-f1-championship

There isn't really much change in the regulations for next year, 2014 cars would technically be legal in 2015, I guess putting this out is mostly to trying to smooth the way for the Caterham sale.

PopePalpatine wrote: »

That makes no sense to me. What's the odds that they'll rack up a DNQ?

They should be alright unless the Mercs find another 2 seconds or so, they were usually in by at least 2 seconds most of the year.

Charlie-Bravo · 01-12-2014 1:57pm

before we start the 2015 F1 thread, what are the changes for the cars for 2015 that would make it so different to this year's?

Brendan Flowers · 01-12-2014 1:58pm

Since when are teams required to have new cars for the following season? I remember in the early 00's Ferrari had a habit of starting seasons with a modified version of their previous years car

Tippex · 01-12-2014 4:43pm

greedygoblin wrote: »

Or maybe Toto is.:eek:
Williams did do rather well this year.:pac:

Is Toto not still a shareholder in williams?

smellslikeshoes · 01-12-2014 7:40pm

Bit off topic but Honda's Twitter has been hacked

-edit Seems it wasn't hacked and Skeletor is just part of their new advertising campaign.

greedygoblin · 01-12-2014 7:44pm

OSI wrote: »

16% still apparently, even though he sold a good few some months back.

His shareholding in the team probably had a big influence on Williams' decision to switch from Renault to Mercedes power units.

greedygoblin · 01-12-2014 8:13pm

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

Bit off topic but Honda's Twitter has been hacked

-edit Seems it wasn't hacked and Skeletor is just part of their new advertising campaign.

Yep, looks that way. He also pops up on their home page when you open it up.:)

It's a bit different as marketing ploys go, but hey, it seems to be getting a bit of attention, so it must be working!

Sparks43 · 02-12-2014 3:46am

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

Marussia stuff being sold off, worth looking at just for all the pictures.

Anyone reckon that us mere f1 cretins could pick up something small from this?

Horrible to see the photos and think of the carcass picking that will ensue:mad:

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