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HR875 - Prevent self-sustainable people
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29-03-2009 3:53am#1
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No,it doesn't say that, of course.
But if the cost associated with producing your own food under government regulations is high, if you're to sell that food, it would cost more too.
Hard to compete with bigger corporations.
The conspiracy was that government could determine who can produce food and who can't under any national emergency
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Wow that's a slippery slope there.No,it doesn't say that, of course.
But if the cost associated with producing your own food under government regulations is high, if you're to sell that food, it would cost more too.
Hard to compete with bigger corporations.
The conspiracy was that government could determine who can produce food and who can't under any national emergency
The reason the government regulations are there are to maintain a good standard of food safety. A local farmer investing a little more to reach these standards isn't a bad thing.
Where exactly in that bill was there any mention of giving the government emergency powers over food production?0 -
Every legislation is open to abuse and this would be no exception.
Of course its intended to safeguard the publics health and would be seen as a step in right direction.
But c'mon, who is naive enough to believe the government cares what you eat?
If they really cared, would they have been allowing GM foods to be produced?
Common sense would dictate that you can't play god with nature and its only asking for trouble when you do.
If a solitary individual wants to survive on their own in national emergency, without depending upon the government, or indeed would prefer the choice of Organic food without the high cost attached, this HR875 is just another law for the government to have you or an organic farmer arrested.
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Except there is nothing in the bill that would allow you to be arrested for producing your own food.Every legislation is open to abuse and this would be no exception.
Of course its intended to safeguard the publics health and would be seen as a step in right direction.
But c'mon, who is naive enough to believe the government cares what you eat?
If they really cared, would they have been allowing GM foods to be produced?
Common sense would dictate that you can't play god with nature and its only asking for trouble when you do.
If a solitary individual wants to survive on their own in national emergency, without depending upon the government, or indeed would prefer the choice of Organic food without the high cost attached, this HR875 is just another law for the government to have you or an organic farmer arrested.
thats the theory
And as for GM food. Do you eat bananas?0 -
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Except we have been modifying crops and animals for thousand of years through selective breeding.
Selecting positive traits such as better output and resistance to disease and breeding out undesirable ones.
Modern genetic engineer is the exact same, only now we know which genes do what and can select positive traits more efficiently.
haha..really?
Theres a huge difference between breeding and genetic engineering..in the latter sense, its the scientist who decides on the final product, not nature.So why exactly do you believe GM food may be harmful when there is nothing in the slightest to support such a claim?
We'll have to wait and see, won't we.
Because there is nothing to suggest man or the ecosystem can benefit from it either.
oh, i thought you knew..maybe you should read about it.And what fungus are you on about exactly?
its called black sigatoka and if you can find out the cause of it, i'd love to know.
I'd love to know why its only surfaced in the last few years and how GM has come to the rescue.:rolleyes:The only reason this is connected to genetic engineering is that some people have suggested using crops engineered to be resistant to this fungus to continue production?
Do you think the fungus was somehow created because of genetic engineering.
i don't know, what do you think? eh? bananas grown perfectly for thousands of years, then man comes along and..well, you know the rest.0 -
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ill have to look some of this stuff up 2moro,:) interesting!! haha..really?
Theres a huge difference between breeding and genetic engineering..in the latter sense, its the scientist who decides on the final product, not nature.
We'll have to wait and see, won't we.
Because there is nothing to suggest man or the ecosystem can benefit from it either.
oh, i thought you knew..maybe you should read about it.
its called black sigatoka and if you can find out the cause of it, i'd love to know.
I'd love to know why its only surfaced in the last few years and how GM has come to the rescue.:rolleyes:
i don't know, what do you think? eh? bananas grown perfectly for thousands of years, then man comes along and..well, you know the rest.0 -
No there's no difference at all. You really don't understand how genetic engineering works at all. haha..really?
Theres a huge difference between breeding and genetic engineering..in the latter sense, its the scientist who decides on the final product, not nature.
A farmer has a cow that produces more milk then the rest. he breeds this cow a lot. He takes the calves that share this trait and breeds them and so on... Till the farmer has a herd of cows that produce more milk than the one he started with.
A scientist identifies a gene that allows fo better milk production. He modifies that gene in cow embryos. till the scientist has a herd of cows that produce more milk than the one he started with.
How is it different?
Except for crops that produce bigger yields and are more resistant to disease.We'll have to wait and see, won't we.
Because there is nothing to suggest man or the ecosystem can benefit from it either.
What possible way do you believe that GM food will be dangerous?
Evolution?oh, i thought you knew..maybe you should read about it.
its called black sigatoka and if you can find out the cause of it, i'd love to know.
I'd love to know why its only surfaced in the last few years and how GM has come to the rescue.:rolleyes:
Oh and by last few years you mean the early 1900's?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_sigatoka
Except that's not true at all.i don't know, what do you think? eh? bananas grown perfectly for thousands of years, then man comes along and..well, you know the rest.
The modern Banana we all eat today can't grow by themselves. And the wild bananas we bred them from are inedible.
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King Mob wrote:How is it different?
Its different to me because a scientist - a man instead of nature, is playing god or mother nature..however you want to phrase it.
Man is playing a direct role in the genetic structure of the animal or plant.
Breeding would allow nature to take care of the details.
It might not be different in your opinion, but it is to me so we'll agree to disagree on that.
Fair enough, KMKing Mob wrote:Evolution?
Oh and by last few years you mean the early 1900's?
Who is to say that the fungicides used didn't make the banana less resistant to disease?
Think about it...
Humans who take anti-biotics are more likely to become ill due to weakened immune system.0 -
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And? What ill effects come from having a direct role in the genetic structure?Its different to me because a scientist - a man instead of nature, is playing god or mother nature..however you want to phrase it.
Man is playing a direct role in the genetic structure of the animal or plant.
Breeding would allow nature to take care of the details.
It might not be different in your opinion, but it is to me so we'll agree to disagree on that.
Fair enough, KM
Or is this a complete irrational fear?
Because fungicides aren't anti-biotics?Who is to say that the fungicides used didn't make the banana less resistant to disease?
Think about it...
Humans who take anti-biotics are more likely to become ill due to weakened immune system.
And lets say that was the cause whats your point exactly?
And just so we know where we're at.
You have claimed that HR875 would prevent people from growing their own food, but can't back that up. You claimed that it would give them emergency powers to arrest people who do, again nothing to support that. And then you claim GM foods are dangerous but cannot support this statement except with an irrational fear of scientists.
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bonkey wrote:So you didn't come here to discuss your theory, then?
yes, my theory is that when the FEMA camps are setup, only the government will be allowed to provide food, which complies to health and safety standards.King Mob wrote:And can you provide any evidence to suggest this technology exists?
NASA spokesperson said that they couldn't confirm its existence, but that it was a black project.
Obama allocated $5 million of bailout money for further research last month.And why do you believe they plan to use it in concentration camps?
FEMA, not concentration..sorry.And what relevance does this have to the HR875?
what = what?
earlier you quoted bananas being saved by the GM industry, without even knowing what the problem was! haha 0 -
And where exactly in the bill is that?yes, my theory is that when the FEMA camps are setup, only the government will be allowed to provide food, which complies to health and safety standards.
Then how do you know it exists? And where exactly are you getting that figure? How do you know it's going into the research of this technology if its a black project?NASA spokesperson said that they couldn't confirm its existence, but that it was a black project.
Obama allocated $5 million of bailout money for further research last month.
And how do you know that they want to use this technology in these camps?FEMA, not concentration..sorry.
No I quoted bananas as an example of a common crop that has been modified by humans.what = what?
earlier you quoted bananas being saved by the GM industry, without even knowing what the problem was! haha
Alot of claims here and still no evidence.0 -
When i said "higher purpose" of the bill, i was simply joking..
I've no idea what the purpose of the bill is, but its certainly not to ensure the health and safety of people..who is naive enough to believe that?
We have alcohol, tabacco, drug problems mainly stemming from the FDA, and you all think the government cares what you put in your mouth? LOL
What sane person would think the government cares about its populations health?
Look at the costs of healthcare in america..eh? how about making it free if the government really give a damn.
Stop spending trillions of dollars on wars, spend it on health instead.... :P0 -
Wow that's a lot of back tracking there.When i said "higher purpose" of the bill, i was simply joking..
I've no idea what the purpose of the bill is, but its certainly not to ensure the health and safety of people..who is naive enough to believe that?
We have alcohol, tabacco, drug problems mainly stemming from the FDA, and you all think the government cares what you put in your mouth? LOL
What sane person would think the government cares about its populations health?
If the government where to introduce registration to ban cigarette and alcohol people would still cry conspiracy.
But is that your only supporting evidence? The government is evil?0 -
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