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Ukraine on the brink of civil war. Mod Warning in OP.

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    #122
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,433 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    China would back up Russia? Why? The two are bitter historical enemies. The feelings of the Sino Soviet split still run deep.

    Yes but they are strategic allies. If one of them was taken out by the west the other would be completely isolated. It would be the same for the west if the US or Europe was taken out.


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    #123
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    jackboy wrote: »
    Yes but they are strategic allies. If one of them was taken out by the west the other would be completely isolated. It would be the same for the west if the US or Europe was taken out.

    No one is going to take out Russia. History has thought us invading Russia is a very bad idea. The war if it happened would be a proxy war fought in Ukraine. China would struggle to even get troops to Ukraine.


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    #124
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,433 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    No one is going to take out Russia. History has thought us invading Russia is a very bad idea. The war if it happened would be a proxy war fought in Ukraine. China would struggle to even get troops to Ukraine.

    I don't think China would send troops to Ukraine. They would just threaten to cause trouble in the pacific. The US have a very weak president. He will back down and let the Russians do what they want.


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    #125
    Conas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Conas


    America is better off staying out of this, Putin has every right to protect Russians in Ukraine from danger, after the America funded coup by radicals and terrorists.. Obama has been a disaster as president. America's military industrial complex has been out of control for decades, and since foreign policy has been taken over by the Israeli's, and greedy war profiteers, Obama is a prisoner too it all.

    American is stone broke, because of their empire spending. Conflict with Russia or Iran, will economically destroy the United States, and everyone knows it. Obama's biggest enemy is from within.


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    #126
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    Conas wrote: »
    America is better off staying out of this, Putin has every right to protect Russians in Ukraine from danger, after the America funded coup by radicals and terrorists.. Obama has been a disaster as president. America's military industrial complex has been out of control for decades, and since foreign policy has been taken over by the Israeli's, and greedy war profiteers, Obama is a prisoner too it all.

    American is stone broke, because of their empire spending. Conflict with Russia or Iran, will economically destroy the United States, and everyone knows it. Obama's biggest enemy is from within.

    So much wrong with this post.
    .... I should say, its all wrong .

    Utterly stupid.


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    #127
    Conas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Conas


    spank_inferno wrote: »
    So much wrong with this post.
    .... I should say, its all wrong .

    Utterly stupid.

    Well tell me what I said was wrong then?

    America kills women and children with drone strikes everyday in Pakistan. It invaded Iraq illegally. Tortured people in prison camps. Stole billions in Iraqi oil. Had Gaddafi murdered and killed illegally for oil and economic reasons. Funded Saddam Hussein, and Bin Laden when it suited them. Yet Obama can sit in the White House and accuse Putin of violating International Law. Everyone since JFK, has been a puppet taking orders from the Military Industrial Complex.


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    #128
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    Its the ramblings of a bastment dwelling conspiracy nut.

    This may be a shock to the jilted.
    However the world & America is not run by a Jewish conspiracy.

    There is no Rothschild/illuminati/one world Jewish Corporit-ocracy running things.

    - America is no more broke than most of the world & is more than capable of taking care of business.

    Engaging a weak Iran or Russia will not destroy America...(no war has yet!).

    Russia has no more right to invade another country than Germany had to Czechoslovakia in the 30's.
    (Your spurious logic to justify them can justify Russia conquering all former soviet states.)

    Ukraine does have the right NOT to be invaded though.
    That Russia signed a treaty to honour in 94 & have now broken.


    Honestly mate, your post belongs on a tin-foil hat blog right next to why fluoride & vaccinations are part of a government mind control project.


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    #129
    Conas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Conas


    spank_inferno wrote: »
    Its the ramblings of a bastment dwelling conspiracy nut.

    This may be a shock to the jilted.
    However the world & America is not run by a Jewish conspiracy.

    There is no Rothschild/illuminati/one world Jewish Corporit-ocracy running things.

    - America is no more broke than most of the world & is more than capable of taking care of business.

    Engaging a weak Iran or Russia will not destroy America...(no war has yet!).

    Russia has no more right to invade another country than Germany had to Czechoslovakia in the 30's.
    (Your spurious logic to justify them can justify Russia conquering all former soviet states.)

    Ukraine does have the right NOT to be invaded though.
    That Russia signed a treaty to honour in 94 & have now broken.


    Honestly mate, your post belongs on a tin-foil hat blog right next to why fluoride & vaccinations are part of a government mind control project.

    You have written a joint pile of rubbish. Out and out rubbish lol.

    What does conspiracies have to do with what's going on in Ukraine?

    If American can violate International Law, then so can Russia. It's ok if you aren't the one who has to do the fighting, and dying.


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    #130
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    I wasn't the one bringing Jewish conspiracies into this.

    There is a conspiracy theory forum & After Hours to spout that anti-semetic crap.


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    #131
    Conas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Conas


    spank_inferno wrote: »
    I wasn't the one bringing Jewish conspiracies into this.

    There is a conspiracy theory forum & After Hours to spout that anti-semetic crap.

    Show me, where I mentioned Jewish conspiracies? Arabs are semetic people aswell you know. ;)

    Just because you are a woefully poor debater, don't start ranting off. This thread should be about what's going on in Ukraine. ;)


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    #132
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    Conas wrote: »
    Show me, where I mentioned Jewish conspiracies? Arabs are semetic people aswell you know. ;)

    Just because you are a woefully poor debater, don't start ranting off. This thread should be about what's going on in Ukraine. ;)

    Where you told us all that the US foreign policy is run by Israel.

    Seeing as that is not true, it is a fantasy on your part.

    I would love the nuttier posters to leave Israeli conspiracy theories out of it.


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    #133
    ZeroThreat
    Registered Users Posts: 2,180 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    Jew hating posters need to be reported & perma-banned. Totally reprehensible.


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    #134
    Conas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Conas


    spank_inferno wrote: »
    Where you told us all that the US foreign policy is run by Israel.

    Seeing as that is not true, it is a fantasy on your part.

    I would love the nuttier posters to leave Israeli conspiracy theories out of it.

    Well in the dealings with Iran, for you to say that Israel has no influence on US foreign policy, then you are telling an out and out lie. Just read the recent 'Nuclear Free Iran Act' that AIPAC tried to have pushed through Congress only for Obama to threaten a veto. They warmonger against Iran every day of the week. Try to lure America into yet another war. No country in the world has more influence on the US than Israel. They also get $3 billion in foreign aid every year.

    Like I said this thread is about Ukraine.

    You won't be able to emotionally blackmail me. :D


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    #135
    czx
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    Conas wrote: »
    Had Gaddafi murdered and killed


    You must be devastated


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    #136
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Conas wrote: »
    America is better off staying out of this, Putin has every right to protect Russians in Ukraine from danger, after the America funded coup by radicals and terrorists.. Obama has been a disaster as president. America's military industrial complex has been out of control for decades, and since foreign policy has been taken over by the Israeli's, and greedy war profiteers, Obama is a prisoner too it all.

    American is stone broke, because of their empire spending. Conflict with Russia or Iran, will economically destroy the United States, and everyone knows it. Obama's biggest enemy is from within.


    Rather simplistic, and devoid of facts. There is a long standing split in Ukraine, which needs little outside support to flare up. While the West may have given funds to pro-EU parties, Putin did similar to pro-Russian parties. As usual, it's going to the poor sods in the middle who suffer.


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    #137
    Conas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Conas


    Nodin wrote: »
    Rather simplistic, and devoid of facts. There is a long standing split in Ukraine, which needs little outside support to flare up. While the West may have given funds to pro-EU parties, Putin did similar to pro-Russian parties. As usual, it's going to the poor sods in the middle who suffer.

    Yes, that may be so, but I'm fed up of mainstream media in America with their Putin bashing. Mitt Romney started off all this Cold War talk in 2012. Putin wants to look after Russia and Russian citizens first, but it's twisted around on places like Fox News, and the New York Times. The last thing Putin wants is a second Soviet Empire, he knows it would only collapse again anyway. The West would only be too happy to prop Putin up as their Number 1 enemy, since they always seem to want to have one.


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    #138
    tomh903
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭tomh903


    The Ukrainian Navy commander is after defecting to Russia. The Kiev government can't expect their army to just sit tight while their country is silently taken over. Either order your army to fight or they will start deserting.


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    #139
    bobcoffee
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭bobcoffee


    meanwhile in america 300 protesters got arrested at the white house over some pipe line, so reports says.
    I 100% agree with Conas but it is not just the american media, just look at BBC as they all of a sudden think invading a country is bad.
    far too many people still believe that we (western world) are the good guys or even close to being.
    we bomb and torture plenty of civilians but yet still hold our heads up so high.
    suppose as long as they are not white its ok?


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    #140
    czx
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    bobcoffee wrote: »
    far too many people still believe that we (western world) are the good guys or even close to being.

    Good. Russia, China etc are not viable alternatives


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    #141
    bobcoffee
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭bobcoffee


    czx wrote: »
    Good. Russia, China etc are not viable alternatives

    who said they are?


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    #142
    czx
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    bobcoffee wrote: »
    who said they are?

    We'll if the West isn't the best of what's going then who is?


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    #143
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,540 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The Airports are secured by "unidentified" armed factions, so no opposition to fraternal airlifting of friendly ambassadors, all for the love of the mother-tongue, Ditto for the reported presence of Russian Anti-submarine warfare ships near the disputed area, if true maybe an anti-snooping deterrent or protection of Russian state property. Maybe a bit of "shoe-banging" at Foggy Bottom might sort things out. The Ukrainians have had their military on UN Service, so I hope the Russians don't claim the UN SC is biased, It did turn down a recent offer from Pres Putin to supply troops to the Golan Heights in place of the withdrawing Austrians.


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    #144
    bobcoffee
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭bobcoffee


    czx wrote: »
    We'll if the West isn't the best of what's going then who is?

    sorry to inform you but neither.
    the "best" is an idea that does not exist.
    they are all lying savages who are looking after their own interests.


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    #145
    czx
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    bobcoffee wrote: »
    sorry to inform you but neither.
    the "best" is an idea that does not exist.
    they are all lying savages who are looking after their own interests.

    OK. Back in the real world where not everything is ****, the West has quite a lot going for it relative to other places


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    #146
    bobcoffee
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭bobcoffee


    czx wrote: »
    OK. Back in the real world where not everything is ****, the West has quite a lot going for it relative to other places

    yes and most of that "going for it" come from taking things off weaker countries.
    just cause the grass is greener does not mean its "best" or even close to it.
    does not mean that the EU and USA are nice people.

    the term "(poop) rolls down hill" really comes into play.
    but that of course is pointing fingers at everyone.


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    #147
    Conas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Conas


    czx wrote: »
    OK. Back in the real world where not everything is ****, the West has quite a lot going for it relative to other places

    I'd love to know what it has going for it in Ukraine though, apart from maybe having to give it billions of dollars in economic aid, as the country is in serious financial trouble. Why are they so fixated with Ukraine that's the question? They'll get nothing out of it.


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    #148
    RahenyD5
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    Does anyone reckon the outcome out of this will be a slimmed down western Ukraine, plus Kiev, joining the EU and Russia reabsorbing Crimea and eastern Ukraine as new provinces?


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    #149
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    RahenyD5 wrote: »
    Does anyone reckon the outcome out of this will be a slimmed down western Ukraine, plus Kiev, joining the EU and Russia reabsorbing Crimea and eastern Ukraine as new provinces?

    It would take a while but I'd say it would be something like that alright.


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    #150
    bobcoffee
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭bobcoffee


    western world, mainly USA has been trying to get as much equipment as close to Russia as possible.
    the benefits for having a EU pro Ukraine in order to do this is worth it in the eyes of USA.
    while what could the EU get out of it?
    another market mainly, since oil/gas and markets is the only real things the EU cares about.

    Russia gets to keep its borders and army more secure, which countries like England and USA have no problem in invading countries, rather then the Russian OCCUPATION that is going on atm (hopefully it stays the way).
    As Russia is screaming for stability within the Ukraine for official negotiations around Crimea.

    this blog is example of EU interests around oil


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    #151
    czx
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    bobcoffee wrote: »
    just cause the grass is greener does not mean its "best" or even close to it.
    .

    That's exactly what it means.

    Due to the relative strength of the West we are living in one of the safest, most prosperous times in history


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