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Water Charge Quotas

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    #122
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    zenno wrote: »
    In "your" opinion. But your opinion is wrong, so just deal with it.

    Why put "your" in inverted commas? Do you think I am plural, perhaps a conspiracy? You are a most baffling shouty man.


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    #123
    on the river
    Registered Users Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭on the river


    Muise... wrote: »
    Why put "your" in inverted commas? Do you think I am plural, perhaps a conspiracy? You are a most baffling shouty man.

    :eek:


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    #124
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Muise... wrote: »
    Why put "your" in inverted commas? Do you think I am plural, perhaps a conspiracy? You are a most baffling shouty man.

    I would expect such a comment from a child. You seem to be a very angry person, welcome to my ignore list.

    Conspiracy? I have no idea what point you are trying to put forward.

    I don't have cap's lock on, so I'm not shouting. Also I don't like shouting, it annoys me.


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    #125
    on the river
    Registered Users Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭on the river


    Muise... wrote: »
    Why put "your" in inverted commas? Do you think I am plural, perhaps a conspiracy? You are a most baffling shouty man.

    the only conspiracy is you . so stop your baffling and drink your water............................

    o Wait you have to pay for that first.


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    #126
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    zenno wrote: »
    I would expect such a comment from a child. You seem to be a very angry person, welcome to my ignore list.

    Conspiracy? I have no idea what point you are trying to put forward.

    I don't have cap's lock on, so I'm not shouting. Also I don't like shouting, it annoys me.

    I put forward that Ireland is not a dictatorship as you hysterically suggest on the basis of your dislike of a new charge. And that your use of inverted commas is very mysterious.


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    #127
    on the river
    Registered Users Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭on the river


    Muise... wrote: »
    I put forward that Ireland is not a dictatorship as you hysterically suggest on the basis of your dislike of a new charge. And that your use of inverted commas is very mysterious.

    well it feels like one with all these charges . Do you not agreee ?


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    #128
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Muise... wrote: »
    I put forward that Ireland is not a dictatorship as you hysterically suggest on the basis of your dislike of a new charge. And that your use of inverted commas is very mysterious.

    You failed to understand the fact that monies will be directly taken from folks bank accounts and from pensions forcibly without the persons permission. Seems undemocratic to me.

    Don't mind the inverted commas, pretend they didn't exist.


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    #129
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    on the river wrote: »
    well it feels like one with all these charges . Do you not agreee ?

    It's not really a question of agreement - the term "dictatorship" is quite specific and does not apply to high tax rates or to a government zenno doesn't like. I agree it feels sh1t for a lot of people in Ireland at the moment, but take a look at Belarus or Uzbekistan and you might at least feel a bit better off.


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    #130
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Muise... wrote: »
    It's not really a question of agreement - the term "dictatorship" is quite specific and does not apply to high tax rates or to a government zenno doesn't like. I agree it feels sh1t for a lot of people in Ireland at the moment, but take a look at Belarus or Uzbekistan and you might at least feel a bit better off.

    There is no reason to compare countries, this is Ireland. Who cares what they do.


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    #131
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    on the river wrote: »
    I agree the government will tax the air that we breath next.

    Carbon tax.

    They already do.


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    #132
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Will the Cryptosporidium be free or will they charge for that also ?


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    #133
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Don't forget the coming fluoride tax as well.


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    #134
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    zenno wrote: »
    There is no reason to compare countries, this is Ireland. Who cares what they do.

    What they do is dictatorship. And we do not.


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    #135
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Bunch of lads from outside the country that we never elected come in and tell whatever government we happen to have here they need to tax us for water and living in houses or else they'll fxxk up our sh1t. Doesnt seem to democratic to me..


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    #136
    delw
    Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭delw


    I see there was a stand off in Cork by some residents

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cork-residents-stop-irish-water-work-628517.html


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    #137
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    It costs about €200 here in Germany for the supply of water and sewer facilities. It's a reasonable price to pay for a quality water supply and to ensure further investment in the network. Paying for water isn't that alien a concept. Much of the annoyance appears to be coming from the 'pay for nothing, expect everything' brigade, so prevalent in Irish online discourse. I always find it rather amusing that Ireland's socialists continue to break new ground in their thinking by being the only socialists in Europe who oppose water charges.


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    #138
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    delw wrote: »
    I see there was a stand off in Cork by some residents

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cork-residents-stop-irish-water-work-628517.html

    They are fighting a loosing battle.


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    #139
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    It costs about €200 here in Germany for the supply of water and sewer facilities. It's a reasonable price to pay for a quality water supply and to ensure further investment in the network. Paying for water isn't that alien a concept. Much of the annoyance appears to be coming from the 'pay for nothing, expect everything' brigade, so prevalent in Irish online discourse. I always find it rather amusing that Ireland's socialists continue to break new ground in their thinking by being the only socialists in Europe who oppose water charges.

    Well I don't oppose water charges in concept but

    1. Estimated 40% loss due to leaky network rough figure maybe fix the leaks then look at charging.
    2. Quality can a baker for example charge you for mouldy bread. Would you pay for that ? or take it back.

    Apparently in Ireland you can be charged for unsafe poor quality water.


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    #140
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Well I don't oppose water charges in concept but

    1. Estimated 40% loss due to leaky network rough figure maybe fix the leaks then look at charging.
    2. Quality can a baker for example charge you for mouldy bread. Would you pay for that ? or take it back.

    Apparently in Ireland you can be charged for unsafe poor quality water.

    Ireland doesn't have a whole pile of spare cash to be investing in upgrading the water network. Therefore they are going to charge the consumers of water. There is an argument that those who don't receive quality water shouldn't have to pay for it. That doesn't wash though with those who pay motor tax and then have to drive on inferior quality roads. Investment needs money.


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    #141
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Ireland doesn't have a whole pile of spare cash to be investing in upgrading the water network. Therefore they are going to charge the consumers of water. There is an argument that those who don't receive quality water shouldn't have to pay for it. That doesn't wash though with those who pay motor tax and then have to drive on inferior quality roads. Investment needs money.

    Yet there is always enough money to pay the bureaucrats who don't really do anything.


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    #142
    scallywaggles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭scallywaggles


    Well if we didn't have to pay such high taxes in the first place perhaps we would not object to paying the water tax.

    For example we pay higher than the UK for income tax, DIRT, CGT, CAT, inheritance tax (the highest in the world apparently), stamp duty on purchasing a property, some of the highest VRT in the EU, fuel tax, excise taxes, annual road tax, insurance levies, USC bank bailout tax, and in addition are paying annual property tax, bin charges, TV licensing charges, NCT charges and higher prices for healthcare both for private health insurance (significantly more expensive than other EU countries) in addition to GP charges, prescription charges and higher prices for the same medications (sometimes even twice the price), oh yeah and higher grocery prices.


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    #143
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    It costs about €200 here in Germany for the supply of water and sewer facilities. It's a reasonable price to pay for a quality water supply and to ensure further investment in the network. Paying for water isn't that alien a concept. Much of the annoyance appears to be coming from the 'pay for nothing, expect everything' brigade, so prevalent in Irish online discourse. I always find it rather amusing that Ireland's socialists continue to break new ground in their thinking by being the only socialists in Europe who oppose water charges.

    Another person here that has no Iota. We already paid and still pay for water from taxes going back decades. So you want us to pay twice ?.

    And @ Muise... you haven't a clue what you are talking about either.


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    #144
    marmurr1916
    Registered Users Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭marmurr1916


    zenno wrote: »
    You failed to understand the fact that monies will be directly taken from folks bank accounts and from pensions forcibly without the persons permission. Seems undemocratic to me.

    Don't mind the inverted commas, pretend they didn't exist.

    You mean like PAYE is taken from people's wages? Shocking, isn't it? :rolleyes:


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    #145
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Ireland doesn't have a whole pile of spare cash to be investing in upgrading the water network. Therefore they are going to charge the consumers of water. There is an argument that those who don't receive quality water shouldn't have to pay for it. That doesn't wash though with those who pay motor tax and then have to drive on inferior quality roads. Investment needs money.

    Seemed to have €50 million lying around for consultants though didn't they... Wonder how many serious leaks could have been fixed with that tidy sum. Or even extra treatment plants for example.


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    #146
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    You people need a wake-up call, before the lot of you are working for nothing. The Irish folk nowadays are downright lazy and will take it again, and again. Forced to pay for contaminated water that you cannot drink, and a few here think it's ok ? what the feck is the matter with you.


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    #147
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    zenno wrote: »
    You people need a wake-up call, before the lot of you are working for nothing. The Irish folk nowadays are downright lazy and will take it again, and again. Forced to pay for contaminated water that you cannot drink, and a few here think it's ok ? what the feck is the matter with you.

    Ah, you know, just a spot of balance and fact-checking.

    Love the blue ink you wrote my name in up there, btw, really made me feel special. :)


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    #148
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Muise... wrote: »
    Ah, you know, just a spot of balance and fact-checking.

    Love the blue ink you wrote my name in up there, btw, really made me feel special. :)

    Glad you like it, I can make it red if you like. :) or transparent.

    Well I assume you don't mind paying for water again ? even though it is un-drinkable.


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    #149
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    The purpose of water charges should be to take some contribution to cover the cost of water provision us preventing the collapse of the Euro as well as a punitive fee to punish negative externalities to facilitate the ongoing cost of us bailing out the German banks.


    Fyp.


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    #150
    doolox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭doolox


    It may be possible to harvest and store rainwater for use for flushing toilets, washing people,clothes etc and retain the mains water for drinking, cooking and washing dishes etc. like they do in a lot of other countries.

    If the plumbing and pumping and management costs could be offset by the savings made on not having to pay the Water board for more than the minimum allowed then it might stop the water board from becoming another bloated quango for the elite to exploit.


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    #151
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    doolox wrote: »
    It may be possible to harvest and store rainwater for use for flushing toilets, washing people,clothes etc and retain the mains water for drinking, cooking and washing dishes etc. like they do in a lot of other countries.

    If the plumbing and pumping and management costs could be offset by the savings made on not having to pay the Water board for more than the minimum allowed then it might stop the water board from becoming another bloated quango for the elite to exploit.

    A whole new realisation of flushing animal faeces E.coli into the toilet. Sh!t into sh!t. It's all a load of sh!t. The country is gone to sh!t, sure a lot of folk wash in sh!t now with no choice. Ah sure, lets sprinkle it on our rice crispies ffs, sure why not it's only more sh!t. I'm sick of this sh!t, I'm out of here.


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