Water Charge Quotas

bear1 · 17-04-2014 2:47pm

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-water-will-pay-customers-10-for-mistakes-30194984.html

17-04-2014 2:54pm

I am for the water chargers and think the price is too low.

Water doesnt just fall from the sky ! !

hmmm · 17-04-2014 3:05pm

Why should I pay taxes and use a small bit of water, while some rich pensioner who spends all day long watering their enormous garden pays nothing? Water charges are an excellent idea. FFS there's a house I pass every day with a great big waterspout in their garden pumping day and night.

There should be no exceptions or discounts. Pay for what you use, the same as the bins.

Busted Flat. · 17-04-2014 3:27pm

hmmm wrote: »

Why should I pay taxes and use a small bit of water, while some rich pensioner who spends all day long watering their enormous garden pays nothing? Water charges are an excellent idea. FFS there's a house I pass every day with a great big waterspout in their garden pumping day and night.

There should be no exceptions or discounts. Pay for what you use, the same as the bins.

A fountain pumps from its own reservoir, and needs the occasional top up from an external source.

5live · 17-04-2014 3:33pm

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Yes but the incinerator are not stopped by the locals in order to allow this to happen. The public here are not exactly willing for such schemes. Our electricity generation could do the same instead of wasting this heated water as is. When it was proposed to use it there was massive resistance politically and publically.

It doesn't have to be power by incineration.

In Germany, probably the leading country in terms of CHP, the power would generally be generated by combustion of methane from fermenting biomass rather than burning it and the location of the CHP plantswould normally be within a short distance of towns/villages/office blocks that would use the waste heat from the fermentation of the biomass.

Incidentally, i am fully behind water charges. My house has been metered for the last 14 years for private consumption and i welcome the rest of the country into my reality with open arms.

y0ssar1an22 · 17-04-2014 4:04pm

Would it not be better to just have a flat charge of e10 per annum, or something like that. No need for Irish Water to be set up, with all its associated costs (installation, wages, whatever else). Just a couple of admin people set up somewhere to run the thing.
On the costs, how much are the top dogs getting paid? And who decided those wages and who is paying them? I would not like if our water charges are being used to pay the CEO of Irish Water a couple 100k a year.

Ray Palmer · 17-04-2014 4:58pm

Smidge wrote: »

Of course its a tax if the reasons given initially for introducing the water charges ie environmental/conservation cannot be implemented as in the measuring of the consumption of each households USE of water by which the householders can see how much they are using and become aware of water use/waste and thereby economise and conserve and REDUCE their water.

No meters-No conservation-No conservation-No reduction in wasting water-No reduction in wastage = The water usage we currently use and therefore no change in ecological terms so therefore we will be paying for the EXACT same thing we have at the moment.

No change in the situation = A TAX

No not a tax what ever way you want to spin it. Just because all meters are not in place doesn't change that it will be based on usage and that is the plan. Implementation takes time that is all.

Would it be fairer that only the people with meters get charged?

Smidge · 18-04-2014 12:06am

Ray Palmer wrote: »

No not a tax what ever way you want to spin it. Just because all meters are not in place doesn't change that it will be based on usage and that is the plan. Implementation takes time that is all.

Would it be fairer that only the people with meters get charged?

Well now that's just silly.
It CANNOT be based on usage if the meters are not in place.
End of.

And no, I dont think its fairer to charge the people who have meters already in place.
I think, rather than a half baked rush to pick pockets under the guise of "being ecological" they should wait until the ENTIRE system is in place before they attempt to do another thing.

If implementation takes time, well I guess they'll just have to wait till they do the job first before charging people.

zenno · 22-04-2014 5:59pm

Well, folk are living in a dictatorship now and not a democracy any-more. When the government forcibly take money from your account or pension then you know. They will do this just the same as the household charge.

Every-one should fight this to the best of their ability, who wants to live in a dictatorship ?.

Muise... · 22-04-2014 6:08pm

zenno wrote: »

Well, folk are living in a dictatorship now and not a democracy any-more. When the government forcibly take money from your account or pension then you know. They will do this just the same as the household charge.

Every-one should fight this to the best of their ability, who wants to live in a dictatorship ?.

I wish they'd come up with a way to tax exaggeration.

zenno · 22-04-2014 6:51pm

Muise... wrote: »

I wish they'd come up with a way to tax exaggeration.

You mean tax the truth.

on the river · 22-04-2014 6:54pm

The government should be paying the consumer for putting up with piss poor water.

zenno · 22-04-2014 7:12pm

It's astonishing to hear that folk will still have to pay water charges when their water has E.coli in it. These folk will be charged for drinking and washing in animal faeces. What an insane country we live in.

There should be war on this, but as usual, the indoctrinated public slaves of corrupt government want you to pay for it regardless.

Banjo String · 22-04-2014 7:31pm

zenno wrote: »

It's astonishing to hear that folk will still have to pay water charges when their water has E.coli in it. These folk will be charged for drinking and washing in animal faeces. What an insane country we live in.

There should be war on this, but as usual, the indoctrinated public slaves of corrupt government want you to pay for it regardless.

Give FG their answer in the local elections.

I think they will lose control over a lot of constituencies.

zenno · 22-04-2014 7:38pm

Banjo String wrote: »

Give FG their answer in the local elections.

I think they will lose control over a lot of constituencies.

You can be absolutely sure of that. The whole family and relations won't be voting for these lying scumbags. I've lost count on the amount of lies they verbally ejected before they got in.

on the river · 22-04-2014 7:41pm

zenno wrote: »

You can be absolutely sure of that. The whole family and relations won't be voting for these lying scumbags. I've lost count on the amount of lies they verbally ejected before they got in.

we should go to these election stations and pour this water into the ballad boxes.

This will give all politicans the view we are on the river in this issue.

Muise... · 22-04-2014 7:48pm

zenno wrote: »

You mean tax the truth.

No, I mean tax exaggeration. You are as far from the "truth" as a screech monkey reading a tabloid.

zenno · 22-04-2014 7:55pm

on the river wrote: »

we should go to these election stations and pour this water into the ballad boxes.

This will give all politicans the view we are on the river in this issue.

We don't want to spoil any votes now do we

.

What shocks me after reading some comments about this water charge, is that a lot of folk say they don't mind paying for this water charge, but they do not take into account the very basic scenario that exists... water contamination of animal faeces, year in, year out, and poor substandard drinking water in general.

What is the problem with some of these peoples brains ?. They continue to lay back and just keep taking it constantly, as if they were hypnotised in some way to agree with a corrupt and unjust government. If they keep this up, God knows what will be coming next.

zenno · 22-04-2014 7:57pm

Muise... wrote: »

No, I mean tax exaggeration. You are as far from the "truth" as a screech monkey reading a tabloid.

In "your" opinion. But your opinion is wrong, so just deal with it.

on the river · 22-04-2014 7:58pm

zenno wrote: »

We don't want to spoil any votes now do we .

What shocks me after reading some comments about this water charge, is that a lot of folk say they don't mind paying for this water charge, but they do not take into account the very basic scenario that exists... water contamination of animal faeces, year in, year out, and poor substandard drinking water in general.

What is the problem with some of these peoples brains ?. They continue to lay back and just keep taking it constantly, as if they were hypnotised in some way to agree with a corrupt and unjust government. If they keep this up, God knows what will be coming next.

I agree the government will tax the air that we breath next.

I think its time we joined nasa

Muise... · 22-04-2014 8:00pm

zenno wrote: »

In "your" opinion. But your opinion is wrong, so just deal with it.

Why put "your" in inverted commas? Do you think I am plural, perhaps a conspiracy? You are a most baffling shouty man.

on the river · 22-04-2014 8:01pm

Muise... wrote: »

Why put "your" in inverted commas? Do you think I am plural, perhaps a conspiracy? You are a most baffling shouty man.

:eek:

zenno · 22-04-2014 8:04pm

Muise... wrote: »

Why put "your" in inverted commas? Do you think I am plural, perhaps a conspiracy? You are a most baffling shouty man.

I would expect such a comment from a child. You seem to be a very angry person, welcome to my ignore list.

Conspiracy? I have no idea what point you are trying to put forward.

I don't have cap's lock on, so I'm not shouting. Also I don't like shouting, it annoys me.

on the river · 22-04-2014 8:05pm

Muise... wrote: »

Why put "your" in inverted commas? Do you think I am plural, perhaps a conspiracy? You are a most baffling shouty man.

the only conspiracy is you . so stop your baffling and drink your water............................

o Wait you have to pay for that first.

Muise... · 22-04-2014 8:21pm

zenno wrote: »

I would expect such a comment from a child. You seem to be a very angry person, welcome to my ignore list.

Conspiracy? I have no idea what point you are trying to put forward.

I don't have cap's lock on, so I'm not shouting. Also I don't like shouting, it annoys me.

I put forward that Ireland is not a dictatorship as you hysterically suggest on the basis of your dislike of a new charge. And that your use of inverted commas is very mysterious.

on the river · 22-04-2014 8:26pm

Muise... wrote: »

I put forward that Ireland is not a dictatorship as you hysterically suggest on the basis of your dislike of a new charge. And that your use of inverted commas is very mysterious.

well it feels like one with all these charges . Do you not agreee ?

zenno · 22-04-2014 8:32pm

Muise... wrote: »

I put forward that Ireland is not a dictatorship as you hysterically suggest on the basis of your dislike of a new charge. And that your use of inverted commas is very mysterious.

You failed to understand the fact that monies will be directly taken from folks bank accounts and from pensions forcibly without the persons permission. Seems undemocratic to me.

Don't mind the inverted commas, pretend they didn't exist.

Muise... · 22-04-2014 8:33pm

on the river wrote: »

well it feels like one with all these charges . Do you not agreee ?

It's not really a question of agreement - the term "dictatorship" is quite specific and does not apply to high tax rates or to a government zenno doesn't like. I agree it feels sh1t for a lot of people in Ireland at the moment, but take a look at Belarus or Uzbekistan and you might at least feel a bit better off.

zenno · 22-04-2014 8:36pm

Muise... wrote: »

It's not really a question of agreement - the term "dictatorship" is quite specific and does not apply to high tax rates or to a government zenno doesn't like. I agree it feels sh1t for a lot of people in Ireland at the moment, but take a look at Belarus or Uzbekistan and you might at least feel a bit better off.

There is no reason to compare countries, this is Ireland. Who cares what they do.

Banjo String · 22-04-2014 8:56pm

on the river wrote: »

I agree the government will tax the air that we breath next.

Carbon tax.

They already do.

darkpagandeath · 22-04-2014 9:00pm

Will the Cryptosporidium be free or will they charge for that also ?

zenno · 22-04-2014 9:03pm

Don't forget the coming fluoride tax as well.

Muise... · 22-04-2014 9:51pm

zenno wrote: »

There is no reason to compare countries, this is Ireland. Who cares what they do.

What they do is dictatorship. And we do not.

Sh1tbag OToole · 22-04-2014 9:55pm

Bunch of lads from outside the country that we never elected come in and tell whatever government we happen to have here they need to tax us for water and living in houses or else they'll fxxk up our sh1t. Doesnt seem to democratic to me..

delw · 22-04-2014 10:16pm

I see there was a stand off in Cork by some residents

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cork-residents-stop-irish-water-work-628517.html

Aongus Von Bismarck · 22-04-2014 10:39pm

It costs about €200 here in Germany for the supply of water and sewer facilities. It's a reasonable price to pay for a quality water supply and to ensure further investment in the network. Paying for water isn't that alien a concept. Much of the annoyance appears to be coming from the 'pay for nothing, expect everything' brigade, so prevalent in Irish online discourse. I always find it rather amusing that Ireland's socialists continue to break new ground in their thinking by being the only socialists in Europe who oppose water charges.

Sir Arthur Daley · 22-04-2014 10:39pm

delw wrote: »

I see there was a stand off in Cork by some residents

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cork-residents-stop-irish-water-work-628517.html

They are fighting a loosing battle.

darkpagandeath · 22-04-2014 10:48pm

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

It costs about €200 here in Germany for the supply of water and sewer facilities. It's a reasonable price to pay for a quality water supply and to ensure further investment in the network. Paying for water isn't that alien a concept. Much of the annoyance appears to be coming from the 'pay for nothing, expect everything' brigade, so prevalent in Irish online discourse. I always find it rather amusing that Ireland's socialists continue to break new ground in their thinking by being the only socialists in Europe who oppose water charges.

Well I don't oppose water charges in concept but

1. Estimated 40% loss due to leaky network rough figure maybe fix the leaks then look at charging.
2. Quality can a baker for example charge you for mouldy bread. Would you pay for that ? or take it back.

Apparently in Ireland you can be charged for unsafe poor quality water.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 22-04-2014 11:10pm

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Well I don't oppose water charges in concept but

1. Estimated 40% loss due to leaky network rough figure maybe fix the leaks then look at charging.
2. Quality can a baker for example charge you for mouldy bread. Would you pay for that ? or take it back.

Apparently in Ireland you can be charged for unsafe poor quality water.

Ireland doesn't have a whole pile of spare cash to be investing in upgrading the water network. Therefore they are going to charge the consumers of water. There is an argument that those who don't receive quality water shouldn't have to pay for it. That doesn't wash though with those who pay motor tax and then have to drive on inferior quality roads. Investment needs money.

Sh1tbag OToole · 22-04-2014 11:14pm

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Ireland doesn't have a whole pile of spare cash to be investing in upgrading the water network. Therefore they are going to charge the consumers of water. There is an argument that those who don't receive quality water shouldn't have to pay for it. That doesn't wash though with those who pay motor tax and then have to drive on inferior quality roads. Investment needs money.

Yet there is always enough money to pay the bureaucrats who don't really do anything.

scallywaggles · 22-04-2014 11:23pm

Well if we didn't have to pay such high taxes in the first place perhaps we would not object to paying the water tax.

For example we pay higher than the UK for income tax, DIRT, CGT, CAT, inheritance tax (the highest in the world apparently), stamp duty on purchasing a property, some of the highest VRT in the EU, fuel tax, excise taxes, annual road tax, insurance levies, USC bank bailout tax, and in addition are paying annual property tax, bin charges, TV licensing charges, NCT charges and higher prices for healthcare both for private health insurance (significantly more expensive than other EU countries) in addition to GP charges, prescription charges and higher prices for the same medications (sometimes even twice the price), oh yeah and higher grocery prices.

zenno · 23-04-2014 2:19am

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

It costs about €200 here in Germany for the supply of water and sewer facilities. It's a reasonable price to pay for a quality water supply and to ensure further investment in the network. Paying for water isn't that alien a concept. Much of the annoyance appears to be coming from the 'pay for nothing, expect everything' brigade, so prevalent in Irish online discourse. I always find it rather amusing that Ireland's socialists continue to break new ground in their thinking by being the only socialists in Europe who oppose water charges.

Another person here that has no Iota. We already paid and still pay for water from taxes going back decades. So you want us to pay twice ?.

And @ Muise... you haven't a clue what you are talking about either.

marmurr1916 · 23-04-2014 2:24am

zenno wrote: »

You failed to understand the fact that monies will be directly taken from folks bank accounts and from pensions forcibly without the persons permission. Seems undemocratic to me.

Don't mind the inverted commas, pretend they didn't exist.

You mean like PAYE is taken from people's wages? Shocking, isn't it? :rolleyes:

darkpagandeath · 23-04-2014 2:28am

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Ireland doesn't have a whole pile of spare cash to be investing in upgrading the water network. Therefore they are going to charge the consumers of water. There is an argument that those who don't receive quality water shouldn't have to pay for it. That doesn't wash though with those who pay motor tax and then have to drive on inferior quality roads. Investment needs money.

Seemed to have €50 million lying around for consultants though didn't they... Wonder how many serious leaks could have been fixed with that tidy sum. Or even extra treatment plants for example.

zenno · 23-04-2014 2:29am

You people need a wake-up call, before the lot of you are working for nothing. The Irish folk nowadays are downright lazy and will take it again, and again. Forced to pay for contaminated water that you cannot drink, and a few here think it's ok ? what the feck is the matter with you.

Muise... · 23-04-2014 2:33am

zenno wrote: »

You people need a wake-up call, before the lot of you are working for nothing. The Irish folk nowadays are downright lazy and will take it again, and again. Forced to pay for contaminated water that you cannot drink, and a few here think it's ok ? what the feck is the matter with you.

Ah, you know, just a spot of balance and fact-checking.

Love the blue ink you wrote my name in up there, btw, really made me feel special.

zenno · 23-04-2014 2:53am

Muise... wrote: »

Ah, you know, just a spot of balance and fact-checking.

Love the blue ink you wrote my name in up there, btw, really made me feel special.

Glad you like it, I can make it red if you like.

or transparent.

Well I assume you don't mind paying for water again ? even though it is un-drinkable.

Son Of A Vidic · 23-04-2014 2:57am

Diego Simeone wrote: »

The purpose of water charges should be to take some contribution to cover the cost of water provision us preventing the collapse of the Euro as well as a punitive fee to punish negative externalities to facilitate the ongoing cost of us bailing out the German banks.

Fyp.

doolox · 23-04-2014 2:58am

It may be possible to harvest and store rainwater for use for flushing toilets, washing people,clothes etc and retain the mains water for drinking, cooking and washing dishes etc. like they do in a lot of other countries.

If the plumbing and pumping and management costs could be offset by the savings made on not having to pay the Water board for more than the minimum allowed then it might stop the water board from becoming another bloated quango for the elite to exploit.

zenno · 23-04-2014 3:10am

doolox wrote: »

It may be possible to harvest and store rainwater for use for flushing toilets, washing people,clothes etc and retain the mains water for drinking, cooking and washing dishes etc. like they do in a lot of other countries.

If the plumbing and pumping and management costs could be offset by the savings made on not having to pay the Water board for more than the minimum allowed then it might stop the water board from becoming another bloated quango for the elite to exploit.

A whole new realisation of flushing animal faeces E.coli into the toilet. Sh!t into sh!t. It's all a load of sh!t. The country is gone to sh!t, sure a lot of folk wash in sh!t now with no choice. Ah sure, lets sprinkle it on our rice crispies ffs, sure why not it's only more sh!t. I'm sick of this sh!t, I'm out of here.

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