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N22 - Tralee Bypass (under construction)

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  • #52
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/
    24 Mar 2010Councillors vote in favour of development levy for Tralee ring roads

    Kerry County Councillors have voted in favour of a development levy to cover the cost of the link roads in the Tralee Ring Roads Project.
    14 councillors voted in favour of the draft supplementary development contribution scheme, while four councillors voted against.
    Nine were absent for the vote.
    Earlier this month Tralee Councillors opposed the proposed introduction of a development levy, however they decided to hold off on making a decision until next month's meeting.
    The proposed levy is €24.43 per square metre for houses, and €29.31 per square metre for non residential developments.
    Tralee Town Council currently has a levy in place to cover roads, which equates to around €17.
    However, in the Tralee environs, a levy doesn't exist in areas which don't come under the town council's management, so there are large gains to be made in that area.
    County Manager Tom Curran says the levy scheme shows commitment and that it's the way forward for the council.
    The levy is needed to cover the €4million cost of link roads in the Tralee Ring Roads Project, as central Government won't be contributing; it's already covered the cost of the ring roads.


  • #53
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    So the council have adopted the increased development contribution to fund the tralee ring roads project.

    notice of adoption...
    http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/advertsnotices/title,3804,en.html

    project website...
    http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/allservices/roads/traleeringroadsproject/


  • #54
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    posted on april 30, 2010.

    notice of tender for tralee bypass project.

    http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=APR148815&catID=1


  • #55
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Healey-Rae demand by any chance? Unless they don't intend to actually go ahead with the tender, in which case I cant see why they'd publish it.


  • #56
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    Nope.
    Wrong constituency - Jackie is in Kerry South.
    And believe me... he takes absolutely no interest in what happens "north of the maginot line"...
    MYOB wrote: »
    Healey-Rae demand by any chance? Unless they don't intend to actually go ahead with the tender, in which case I cant see why they'd publish it.


  • #57
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I thought that hilariously over-spec for a WS2 scheme north of Castleisland was one of his "for the betterment of Kerry" schemes though?


  • #58
    willbeuptuesday
    Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭willbeuptuesday


    Does anyone one else believe that this bypass has to be built before the proposed shopping center is built on the john joe sheehy road. I am assuming that such a large development beside such a crucial road will only force traffic back into the town. Do people agree or disagree?


  • #59
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    I haven't had time to check if the planning permission includes some sort of traffic restrictions for construction traffic.

    But you are 100% correct in that the construction of this project is going to cause significant impact to one of the main artery's of the town.

    I must also check to see wht sort of access road access has been granted.
    I can imagine traffic coming into town, turning right onto john joe sheehy road and then turning right again into the shopping centre... that will be chaos!!!
    i presume (haven't checked) that there will be a new round about at the entrance to the shopping centre, although given that at peak times the round about at the john joe sheehy road / boherbee road is gridlocked, this will probably make no difference.
    ;)
    willbeuptuesday wrote: »
    Does anyone one else believe that this bypass has to be built before the proposed shopping center is built on the john joe sheehy road. I am assuming that such a large development beside such a crucial road will only force traffic back into the town. Do people agree or disagree?


  • #60
    Tech3
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    We are still in a recession, I doubt there will be any new shopping centres being built in Tralee for the short term at the very least. Also the whole route has been CPO'd.


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  • #61
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    Hey tech2, check over on the tralee thread.
    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=65604087&postcount=2927
    A new shopping centre is going ahead in tralee this september.

    If you know the area, it's on the site of the current John Mitchel's GAA ground. This is on the road with the train station.

    I think the point above about having the eastern ring road completed before this project starts is sensible enough.
    tech2 wrote: »
    We are still in a recession, I doubt there will be any new shopping centres being built in Tralee for the short term at the very least. Also the whole route has been CPO'd.


  • #62
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    notice on kerry county council website thurs 20th may 2010..

    http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/advertsnotices/title,4102,en.html
    N22 Tralee Bypass - Design & Build Contract

    Released: 20 May 2010
    Contract Notice
    Applications are invited from suitably qualified candidates (Potential Tenderers) for the design and construction of the above project. The scheme has two main components, namely, the N22 Tralee Bypass and the N22 Access Route (Tralee to Bealagrellagh). The N22 Tralee Bypass will link the N69 Listowel Road with the N70 Killorglin Road via the N21 Limerick Road. It will comprise a Type 2 Dual Carriageway Road and will be approximately 8.0km in length. The N22 Tralee to Bealagrellagh will provide a separate access route for the N22 Killarney Road and will comprise a Standard 2-lane Single Carriageway Road and will be approximately 5.5km in length. For full information, please visit the Public Service Procurement Opportunities website at www.etenders.gov.ie and/or the database of the Official Journal of the European Union (OJEU) at www.ted.europa.eu.

    Closing date for receipt of Submissions is Monday, 28th June 2010 at 12:00 hours (noon).Submissions of Interest should be submitted in a sealed envelope clearly endorsed "Expressions of Interest - N22 Tralee Bypass / Tralee to Bealagrellagh Road Improvement Scheme Design & Build Contract" and sent to the Senior Executive Officer, Corporate Services, Kerry County Council, County Buildings, Rathass, Tralee, County Kerry.
    The Freedom of Information Act 1997 applies.
    Funded by the Irish Government under the National Development Plan (2007-2013).
    Gerard O’Brien
    Acting SEO
    Coporate Affairs


  • #63
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    posted up on etenders...
    http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=MAY152075&catID=1

    I love the bit ... 32,000 km of fencing!

    I expect it should be meters!! otherwise, it's a long fence!!!


  • #64
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    They're actually fencing off all of Kerry to keep us non-Kerrymen out ;)


  • #65
    Stinicker
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    MYOB wrote: »
    They're actually fencing off all of Kerry to keep us non-Kerrymen out ;)

    Damn right about time they did it too, damn Cork feckers coming over the border trying to steal our wimmens and jobs. Imagine the invasion of the langers in Killarney on the 6th of June.


  • #66
    John C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭John C


    MYOB wrote: »
    They're actually fencing off all of Kerry to keep us non-Kerrymen out ;)

    In an article about Kerry County: The irish population has two categories, A: Kerrymen B: those who wish they were Kerrymen. :)

    Another item: What was the best thing that ever came out of Cork County?
    THe N22 road to Kerry County. :)

    The sooner the N22 road is improved, the better can Cork, Kerry, Irish, European and all people of the world drive to Cork and Kerry Counties.


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  • #67
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I'd be all for digging up the N22 or at least making it one way into Kerry so that anyone who goes in cant get out again :D


  • #68
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    Whilst I agree that the N2*-Triangle (N20,N21,N22 - Cork-Limerick-Tralee-Cork) requires significant improvement, I think that it's only fair that the N20 be prioritised.
    n20, n22, n21 in that order....

    if we had the money, i'd do all three together... but we don't, so the best we can hope for is piece-meal improvement.


  • #69
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    Some more documents up on the KCC website for this project:
    http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/allservices/roads/n22traleebypass/

    The Preliminary Design Report is worth reviewing:
    http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/allservices/roads/n22traleebypass/thefile,4307,en.pdf


  • #70
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    update on tralee bypass, thanks to dmeehan...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67202347&postcount=110


  • #71
    ilovegermany
    Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭ilovegermany


    fresca wrote: »
    update on tralee bypass, thanks to dmeehan...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67202347&postcount=110


    Is this really to go to construction next year? Is the money available for it?


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  • #72
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    the funds were already granted for cpo & fencing.
    i'd imagine it will stop there.
    but of course - we've had no "official" announcement!


  • #73
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    Ann Lane has compiled a book of photos on road art in Ireland.
    She was inspired by An Capall Mor on the N22.

    http://www.millstreet.ie/blog/2010/08/05/ann-lane%E2%80%99s-photographic-journal-of-public-art

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/womans-journal-catalogues-wealth-of-celtic-tiger-craft-127091.html
    Woman’s journal catalogues wealth of Celtic Tiger craft

    By Scott Millar
    Thursday, August 05, 2010

    FROM a Gaelic chieftain surveying the Boyle bypass to the giant, rearing horse overseeing the roadway from Tralee to Cork city, Ann Lane has spent four years and travelled over 14,000 miles on an odyssey to catalogue the country’s main pieces of public art.

    Having finished her work earlier this year, Ms Lane’s photographic journal will be published in the autumn as a major art book.

    The 64-year-old, originally from Co Cork, said it was her initial encounter with Capall Mór, the ferro-cement over a steel structure, near Tralee, that depicts a Celtic war horse with broken chains around its forelegs, signifying freedom, which inspired her to undertake the task of cataloguing the works.

    "The best of these works, such as the Chieftain at Boyle, can make the hair nearly stand up on the back of your neck, they are so impressively located. That statue itself has become a tourist attraction with coaches bringing holiday-makers to see it."

    Ms Lane estimates she has photographed over 750 pieces, but several remain to be added to her list.

    "I was doing up to 800 miles a weekend photographing in specific areas just to find out I’d missed works and would need to go back," she added.

    Hundreds of figures and statues have appeared along the country’s highways and within developments during the massive upgrading of the road network and construction boom of the last two decades.

    Micheal D Higgins, former Minister for the Arts, was central to the flowering of public art, introducing legalisation during the early 1990s which resulted in each development having to set aside 1% of its funding towards artistic creation.

    "Knowing that we were on a verge of a whole series of public developments I was anxious that local authorities and corporate entities would have a proportion of the construction budget that addresses the need for public art," he said.

    Mr Higgins added: "This was never investing for art out of surplus but was integral to development."

    The downturn has resulted in a massive slump in construction — and public art. Pressure is also mounting to scrap Mr Higgins’ rule, with some councils objecting to the funding of public arts while services are being cut back.

    In the case of Limerick County Council, some councillors unsuccessfully attempted to halt the spending of €110,000 earmarked for roadside art on the new M7 Limerick to Nenagh motorway, demanding the funding be diverted to other projects.

    * Ann Lane’s photographic journal of public art will be published this autumn by Wordwell Books.



  • #74
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    radiokerry.ie provided an update from Tralee Town Council's meeting last night that the Tralee bypass is still on track so for now it does not appear to be shelved. Good news for Kerry residents and visitors!Tralee Ring Roads project on track with building due by end of 2011 The Tralee Ring Roads project is on track, and building work should begin by the end of next year.That's according the Tralee Town Manager Michael McMahon, who was speaking at the council's monthly meeting last night.The Tralee Ring Roads Project involves four routes; the Tralee Western Relief Road from the Fenit Road to Blennerville Bridge; the Tralee Bypass to Forge Cross on the Listowel Road; and from there onto the Abbeydorney Road, and then to the Bracker O'Regan Road.Town Manager Michael McMahon says it's on schedule; the Compulsory Purchase Order of land has been approved, and Kerry County Council has taken possession and fenced off the land.Five contractors have been approved to tender for the project, and it's hoped to award it at the end of December or beginning of January.Building is expected to begin by the end of 2011, with the entire project going ahead at the one time.


  • #75
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    I don't whether or not it is related to the Tralee bypass, Killareny-Farranfore project or Ballvourney-Macroom bypass but the NRA have put a traffic counter on the N22 on the Killarney side of the level crossing just near John A. Woods quarry.


  • #76
    Tech3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    It wont be shelved probably delayed at worst. I still hate the design though. And KCC need to show some better details for the bypass not lines on a map. Galway County Councils website is superior to any other in the country for road projects.


  • #77
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    This seems to be on the list of "small stuff that might still go ahead so there is not NOTHING happening". SOrt of like the Cork SRR interchanges or Longford. So this might go ahead within a year or two.


  • #78
    atomohawk
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭atomohawk


    good to see that the NRA have moved out of the 20th century and have now included in the design for a seperate cycle lane along the length of the 2x2 section 8km.:)
    However is a 2x2 dual carraigeway really needed to connect up two single carriage roads( killarney-Listowel) ?
    A decent single carraige would be adequate and has much better chance of being built in these must tighten our belt times.


  • #79
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    A 2+2 costs only marginally more than a 'decent single carriageway', thats the entire point of their design. They take little to no more land or surfacing than a WS2 - I'd even say they take less than Donegal County Council standard WS2s!

    They also provide safe overtaking opportunities and prevent the need for upgrading in the medium term future should we have another massive hike in car usage.


  • #80
    Amtmann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    I don't think anyone has uploaded a map of the bypass yet.

    n22traleebypass.jpg


  • #81
    Tragedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Looks more like an Outer Ring Road than a Bypass.


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  • #82
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    Just the first part of the Tralee Ring Roads project:
    http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/allservices/roads/traleeringroadsproject/

    Tragedy wrote: »
    Looks more like an Outer Ring Road than a Bypass.


  • #83
    Amtmann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    fresca wrote: »
    Just the first part of the Tralee Ring Roads project:
    http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/allservices/roads/traleeringroadsproject/

    ...which would look like this:

    ringroads.jpg


  • #84
    Tragedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    I know it needs a bypass, does it need a ring road and a bypass? Only been in it 4-5 times at peak traffic in the last year, but it didn't seem that bad that it needs an almost complete orbital ring road?


  • #85
    Tech3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    Tralee is one of the worst congested towns in the country. The first phase of the bypass wont make a dent on traffic entering and jamming the town centre.


  • #86
    Tragedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Is it really? I've only been there during the summer and while it was always busy, it was always moving. Found a lot of the unbypassed towns on N roads in Cork worse!


  • #87
    Chris_5339762
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    Tralee Ringways anyone ;)


  • #88
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Had my first experience of Tralee today in quite some time, hitting it at 5pm and trying to get to a hotel on the outskirts (the other outskirts...)

    That ringroad system is BADLY needed, even though it looks ridiculous in scale. Naas is marginally smaller in population and definitely smaller in local importance and has something similar and a full bypass.


  • #89
    Tragedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Naas is bypassed though, with only two junctions on the bypass. This scheme seems to be a ring road, as much if not more for traffic inside tralee as people trying to get past it.


  • #90
    dubhthach
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    Tragedy wrote: »
    Naas is bypassed though, with only two junctions on the bypass. This scheme seems to be a ring road, as much if not more for traffic inside tralee as people trying to get past it.

    Well that and no doubt opening up land for development! Given that they zoned enough Land in Kerry to house the entire population of Munster I wouldn't be surprised that when they originally designed the road during the boom years that this was part of their thinking.


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  • #91
    Tragedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    I've been looking at Furet's map and google maps, and I can't see how internal traffic will really benefit from the ring roads above. For northern traffic, you already have the new link road between R551, R556 and N69 as well as brewery road, for east to south/southwest, you have the N86 and Cloghers Road(not sure how good that road is, however).

    Why is anything but an orbital N69 to N21/22 bypass needed? Perhaps with an extension to the N70.

    I think the roundabout needs to be removed at the N21/N22 junction as part of the scheme with some sort of freeflow system implemented(plenty of open land to do it too!)


  • #92
    tharlear
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭tharlear


    I think the roundabout needs to be removed at the N21/N22 junction as part of the scheme with some sort of freeflow system implemented(plenty of open land to do it too!)

    +1 N17 knock is an example of off grade junction on a non DC

    Roundabout are great for low traffic volumes, but cause backups when there is any significant amout of traffic.


  • #93
    Tech3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    A T-Junction will suffice there as it wont be the N22 after the Tralee bypass is completed.


  • #94
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Furet wrote: »
    ...which would look like this:

    Whats Phase 5 for?


  • #95
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    Whats Phase 5 for?


    Probably to serve the large industrial estate in Clash.
    However, unfortunately, this is now mostly vacant buildings...


  • #96
    fresca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    Furet, there are a couple of problems with this proposed scheme...

    1. N21-N86 link
    the issue here is that a significant amount of the traffic passing through tralee is destined for Castlegregory and Dingle via the N86.
    If you know the area, then you'll appreciate that getting from the N21 (eastern entrance to town) through to the N86 (south-western exit) can be very time consuming.

    I would have thought that this link would have had much higher priority, however, it would also be more expensive as it would need to bypass the village of blennerville (approx 1km west of tralee) and negotiate a tidal delta (which interestingly is zoned as a recreation amenity http://www.traleetc.ie/news/title,4395,en.html).


    2. R551 Railway Bridge
    The R551 (ardfert/ballyheigue) road contains an extremely narrow and dangerous railway bridge approx 500m from the junction of the Bracker Regan road and the R558 Fenit road. This bridge is an accident blackspot with a number of fatalities recorded in or about that location.

    Personally, I would like to see the Phase 4 link swing round to join the Phase 3 link, passing north of the railway bridge.



    Just fyi Phase 2 (a+b) are there to serve the Institute of technology and Kerry Technology Park (which in itself is responsible for a significant volume of traffic).

    :)

    Furet wrote: »
    ...which would look like this:

    ringroads.jpg


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  • #97
    North Cork
    Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭North Cork


    Went past entrance for archaeology works today just before Manor West, signs up on the road warning of works

    Also found this on the web

    http://archaeojobs.blogspot.com/2010/08/cd-asap-ireland-site-assistants-at.html

    Headland Archaeology (Ireland) Ltd requires Site Assistants for the Tralee Bypass (Stage 2).
    Work will commence on 30th August for a 2 -3 week period.
    The rate is €346 per week rising to €370 after 2 weeks once level of experience has been ascertained.


  • #98
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    Well, on a great day for Kerry, roads-wise with today's Castleisland bypass opening, it has also been announced that construction of the Tralee bypass will definitely start next year per Radiokerry.ie news report. It's fantastic that since the start of the major cutbacks of public spending since 2008, Kerry has still managed to secure funding and go ahead for two major infrastructural projects since then (C'island just completed and now Tralee). Maybe our local TDs are doing something right!! :D

    Tralee Ring Road to start construction early next year

    A start date for the construction of the Tralee Ring Road has been brought forward to early next year. Minister for Defense, Tony Killeen made the announcement today at the official opening of the Castleisland Bypass.

    The Tralee Ring Road Project involves four routes; the Tralee Western Relief Road from the Fenit Road to Blennerville Bridge; the Tralee Bypass to Forge Cross on the Listowel Road; and from there onto the Abbeydorney Road, and then to the Bracker O'Regan Road. Minister Killeen says these roads are important so Kerry is ready when the ecomomy improves.


  • #99
    Hoof Hearted
    Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Hoof Hearted


    Is the Tralee ring road and the N22 Eastern bypass separate projects?

    I thought the Tralee ring road referred to what's not covered by the N22 Eastern bypass.


  • #100
    Tech3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    Yeah they are totally different schemes. I cant find the link to this:
    ongarboy wrote:
    Tralee Ring Road to start construction early next year

    A start date for the construction of the Tralee Ring Road has been brought forward to early next year. Minister for Defense, Tony Killeen made the announcement today at the official opening of the Castleisland Bypass.

    The Tralee Ring Road Project involves four routes; the Tralee Western Relief Road from the Fenit Road to Blennerville Bridge; the Tralee Bypass to Forge Cross on the Listowel Road; and from there onto the Abbeydorney Road, and then to the Bracker O'Regan Road. Minister Killeen says these roads are important so Kerry is ready when the ecomomy improves.


  • #101
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Whats the Minister for Defense doing opening roads?


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