Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 MOD POST #1130

Knex* · 06-06-2012 4:00pm

Do people here really rate Gago highly? I know he had a massive reputation when he first signed for Madrid but I just get the impression that he's gone a bit stale. He never really impressed me much on any occasion that I got to watch him either. Maybe he did a lot at Roma last year that I just don't know about.

For the money being touted it may be worth a look, but tbh, I'd much rather put that 7m or so towards a more naturally combative and athletic type of player such as Moussa Sissoko.

Or, if it is a Gago style player that we need maybe go for Banega. Yeah, this season he wasn't as good as the year before, but I'd still rate him that bit higher than Gago.

And if we were feeling really optimistic, lets remove Sahin from his Madrid nightmare. Sure he'll get to live near his mate Kagawa and everthing

amiable · 06-06-2012 4:03pm

Martin Lipton is suggesting a possible exit for Reina

DrumSteve · 06-06-2012 4:12pm

amiable wrote: »

Martin Lipton is suggesting a possible exit for Reina

Everytime I hear that Lipton comes up with an inside story I'm always reminded of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt9elfwV8cU

Take anything he says with a pillar of salt.

amiable · 06-06-2012 4:16pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

Everytime I hear that Lipton comes up with an inside story I'm always reminded of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt9elfwV8cU

Take anything he says with a pillar of salt.

I don't think he was suggesting that he knows something rather he wouldn't be surprised with some of the quotes from Reina lately.
I've posted that clip myself before. Very funny seeing him get so wound up.

I personally think Reina is a possibly gone this summer

banie01 · 06-06-2012 4:17pm

Knex. wrote: »

Or, if it is a Gago style player that we need maybe go for Banega. Yeah, this season he wasn't as good as the year before, but I'd still rate him that bit higher than Gago.

But Gago has never knocked himself down with his own car and broken his own tibia and fibula

Banega has and on that form could easily keep Merson company in then thicko group at Sky! :P
Whatever about Banega's merits as a player, he is likely to be another 3 months before able to play competively and that after an injury like that the combative side of his game will surely be affected even just by the subconcious fear of weakness/reinjury.

I'd like to see us in for Moussa though....

Leiva · 06-06-2012 4:17pm

amiable wrote: »

Martin Lipton is suggesting a possible exit for Reina

I wouldn't be surprised.:(

I have a feeling its going to be one of those transfer windows.

He is a special keeper but has looked distracted over the past season and doesn't look like a happy camper. reminds me of Torres during his last days at the club.
I hope he gets some playing time at the Euros and does well, probably even win it, and come back happier.

Vorm anyone ?

DrumSteve · 06-06-2012 4:17pm

amiable wrote: »

I don't think he was suggesting that he knows something rather he wouldn't be surprised with some of the quotes from Reina lately.
I've posted that clip myself before. Very funny seeing him get so wound up.

I personally think Reina is a possibly gone this summer

I think Lipton might be reading too much in to Reina quotes from last week (before Rodgers was appointed).

I think he'll wait to see what sort of personnel is being brought in before he goes anywhere. And as has been mentioned, where can he go?

paddy kerins · 06-06-2012 4:19pm

Ah don't leave Jose

Although if he does, Diego Alves? Muslera? Did Adler go anywhere yet?

amiable · 06-06-2012 4:21pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

I think Lipton might be reading too much in to Reina quotes from last week (before Rodgers was appointed).

I think he'll wait to see what sort of personnel is being brought in before he goes anywhere. And as has been mentioned, where can he go?

I'm not sure where he could go.
Atletico Madrid perhaps? PSG? Valdes hasn't been great for Barca IMHO.

SlickRic · 06-06-2012 4:25pm

Pepe's not leaving.

Lipton has just picked a high-profile player who may be ambitious to win the big things now, and has put 2 and 2 together to get 9.

don't even entertain it.

it's the same as journalists linking Suarez to PSG recently. just garbage, and column inches needing filled.

amiable · 06-06-2012 4:25pm

paddy kerins wrote: »

Ah don't leave Jose

Although if he does, Diego Alves? Muslera? Did Adler go anywhere yet?

FFS Robert Green is available. I know he's on a bosman but surely we could get West Ham to accept 10 million?

amiable · 06-06-2012 4:28pm

SlickRic wrote: »

Pepe's not leaving.

Lipton has just picked a high-profile player who may be ambitious to win the big things now, and has put 2 and 2 together to get 9.

don't even entertain it.

it's the same as journalists linking Suarez to PSG recently. just garbage, and column inches needing filled.

How do you know he's not leaving?
I personally think there is a distinct possibilty that he will leave this summer.
The PSG link started with the owner answering to a list of players who may be possible transfer targets for their club.
Suarez himself only recently said he won't be leaving so I'd be more secure about him but not so sure about Reina.

Knex* · 06-06-2012 4:29pm

paddy kerins wrote: »

Ah don't leave Jose

Although if he does, Diego Alves? Muslera? Did Adler go anywhere yet?

Unfortunately he did, signed for Hamburg about two weeks ago. Absolute steel to get a keeper of his quality on a free.

SlickRic · 06-06-2012 4:30pm

amiable wrote: »

How do you know he's not leaving?
I personally think there is a distinct possibilty that he will leave this summer.
The PSG link started with the owner answering to a list of players who may be possible transfer targets for their club.
Suarez himself only recently said he won't be leaving so I'd be more secure about him but not so sure about Reina.

so because he hasn't re-iterated yet again that he wanted to stay, even though he said it last summer as well...we assume he may want to go.

we don't need player statements every summer.

us football fans are so insecure about our players sometimes, and the media feed off it with these stories.

Dickerty · 06-06-2012 4:33pm

amiable wrote: »

I'm not sure where he could go.
Atletico Madrid perhaps? PSG? Valdes hasn't been great for Barca IMHO.

Reina hasn't been his best in the last 2 seasons, but it's a very difficult position to recruit. He's still one of the best around. And Rodgers style of defending should work for him.

And Valdes is a Barca man through and through, would take a lot for them to replace him...

amiable · 06-06-2012 4:33pm

SlickRic wrote: »

so because he hasn't re-iterated yet again that he wanted to stay, even though he said it last summer as well...we assume he may want to go.

we don't need player statements every summer.

us football fans are so insecure about our players sometimes, and the media feed off it with these stories.

I didn't say that. You categorically stated Reina is not leaving. I asked how do you know this which you failed to answer.

His recent quotes show dis-satisfaction

Nobody actually posted that Reina is leaving or that Lipton said he was leaving

Jesus Wept · 06-06-2012 4:37pm

Reina is a bit unsettled because he knows Doni is best.

Kess73 · 06-06-2012 4:37pm

Limerick
Limerick
Limerick
Limerick

DrumSteve · 06-06-2012 4:38pm

Kess73 wrote: »

Limerick
Limerick
Limerick
Limerick

That's the worst Limerick ever Kess.

G.K. · 06-06-2012 4:39pm

Reina's problems for the last 2 seasons could simply be the defense have been too deep.

amiable · 06-06-2012 4:39pm

Dickerty wrote: »

Reina hasn't been his best in the last 2 seasons, but it's a very difficult position to recruit. He's still one of the best around. And Rodgers style of defending should work for him.

And Valdes is a Barca man through and through, would take a lot for them to replace him...

I don't see how your first point addresses anything that has been mentioned.

As for Valdes his form was poor enough last season and I merely suggested that Barca may look elsewhere.

In saying that Reina was already at Barca and may not want to return there again.

amiable · 06-06-2012 4:39pm

G.K. wrote: »

Reina's problems for the last 2 seasons could simply be the defense have been too deep.

That's too easy an excuse for some of his blunders

Kess73 · 06-06-2012 4:42pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

That's the worst Limerick ever Kess.

I was starting a chant for the Limerick offensive.

amiable · 06-06-2012 4:43pm

Kess73 wrote: »

I was starting a chant for the Limerick offensive.

I knew

Kess73 · 06-06-2012 4:43pm

amiable wrote: »

That's too easy an excuse for some of his blunders

But not so easy an excuse that it may not contain some truth.

Kess73 · 06-06-2012 4:47pm

amiable wrote: »

I knew

Tackies and Mongrels at the ready.

amiable · 06-06-2012 4:47pm

Kess73 wrote: »

But not so easy an excuse that it may not contain some truth.

Like the goal he conceded at Craven Cottage?
Like the early goal at the Etihad?
There were others where the defence couldn't be blamed as he'd be expected to save them.
I'm not saying the defence hasn't been poor at times but Reina's form hasn't been up to the high standard he set himself.
I'd like nothing more than he sort himself out as he does seem to love the club and is one of the top 10 keepers in the World when on form.
It's just too easy IMHO to say the defence was to blame for Reina's poor form. He's a quality keeper and has let himself down at times

amiable · 06-06-2012 4:49pm

Well Reina won't be off to Atletico as they have extended their loan deal with Courtois

missingtime · 06-06-2012 4:49pm

Well since the way Rodgers likes his keeper as a sweeper keeper perhaps we could see a return to form.

DrumSteve · 06-06-2012 4:50pm

Kess73 wrote: »

I was starting a chant for the Limerick offensive.

Is there any other type of Limerick?

LuckyLloyd · 06-06-2012 4:53pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

Kess73 wrote: »

I was starting a chant for the Limerick offensive.

Is there any other type of Limerick?

Meh, if Reina goes Doni will do just fine.

Reina could do with a change of scenery and the manager he wanted wasn't hired.

SlickRic · 06-06-2012 4:54pm

amiable wrote: »

I didn't say that. You categorically stated Reina is not leaving. I asked how do you know this which you failed to answer.

His recent quotes show dis-satisfaction

Nobody actually posted that Reina is leaving or that Lipton said he was leaving

dissatisfaction? i missed that. bar the ones where he wanted Rafa back i'd no idea he was unsettled.

my point was why do we assume he might want to leave until a time at which he says it, yet again? why can't we assume he wants to stay?

amiable · 06-06-2012 4:55pm

SlickRic wrote: »

dissatisfaction? i missed that. bar the ones where he wanted Rafa back i'd no idea he was unsettled.

my point was why do we assume he might want to leave until a time at which he says it, yet again? why can't we assume he wants to stay?

So we should just tow the party line?
You still didn't answer the question.
For the record, I would get no satisfaction in seeing him leave.

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Jesus Wept · 06-06-2012 4:57pm

So what next for Rafa?

amiable · 06-06-2012 5:00pm

Duncan Jenkins doing a live webchat for anyone interested

http://www.delhikop.com/live

kippy · 06-06-2012 5:01pm

Andy Carroll wrote: »

So what next for Rafa?

He must have about 15-20 million (at least) sitting in the bank right now. I know what I would be doing if I were him.

Sir Gallagher · 06-06-2012 5:01pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

Everytime I hear that Lipton comes up with an inside story I'm always reminded of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt9elfwV8cU

Take anything he says with a pillar of salt.

I love a lady with sass and she's got some that old time sass.

Jesus Wept · 06-06-2012 5:02pm

kippy wrote: »

He must have about 15-20 million (at least) sitting in the bank right now. I know what I would be doing if I were him.

Think he is bored of watching Jeremy Kyle.

DrumSteve · 06-06-2012 5:02pm

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I love a lady with sass and she's got some that old time sass.

She's definitely got moxy i'll give her that.

Always nice to see the journo's squirm too.

Knex* · 06-06-2012 5:03pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Meh, if Reina goes Doni will do just fine.

Reina could do with a change of scenery and the manager he wanted wasn't hired.

Plus I believe Kuyt was one of his best mates.

I'd still be surprised if he left tbh, certainly this early on in the transfer window. But if we don't show we mean business and a few CL teams come looking (although how many need a goalie I'm not so sure) then his head might be turned.

amiable · 06-06-2012 5:11pm

Duncan Jenkins says Gaston Ramirez is a target.
Just waiting for Slickric to confirm this

Kess73 · 06-06-2012 5:20pm

amiable wrote: »

Like the goal he conceded at Craven Cottage?
Like the early goal at the Etihad?
There were others where the defence couldn't be blamed as he'd be expected to save them.
I'm not saying the defence hasn't been poor at times but Reina's form hasn't been up to the high standard he set himself.
I'd like nothing more than he sort himself out as he does seem to love the club and is one of the top 10 keepers in the World when on form.
It's just too easy IMHO to say the defence was to blame for Reina's poor form. He's a quality keeper and has let himself down at times

But that's not what I said. I said that there was some truth in what GK said. Reina was below par last season, and for some of the season before, by his standards, but our tactics during that period did not always play to his strength either.

I would put the bulk of his loss of form on his shoulders, but not all of it.

Kess73 · 06-06-2012 5:21pm

amiable wrote: »

Duncan Jenkins says Gaston Ramirez is a target.
Just waiting for Slickric to confirm this

Has four years left on his contract it would see. Ramirez that is.

missingtime · 06-06-2012 5:22pm

amiable wrote: »

Like the early goal at the Etihad?

Him and Kuyt can share the blame on that one.

amiable · 06-06-2012 5:22pm

Kess73 wrote: »

But that's not what I said. I said that there was some truth in what GK said. Reina was below par last season, and for some of the season before, by his standards, but our tactics during that period did not always play to his strength either.

I would put the bulk of his loss of form on his shoulders, but not all of it.

I agree with that 100%

amiable · 06-06-2012 5:23pm

missingtime wrote: »

Him and Kuyt can share the blame on that one.

It was a shot straight at him. Granted Aguero shouldn't have had so much space but you'd expect Reina to save it easily IMHO

Gbear · 06-06-2012 5:25pm

Are players allowed to have bad seasons unless they're a keeper? Or if a player has a bad season he should be sold full stop?

I'm not entirely sure what the situation is now but a few weeks ago it seemed our goalkeeping coach was going to be sacked. We also played too deep a line. Innumerable times in seasons past Reina would play the sweeper-keeper. It's quite likely under Rodgers he'd go back to that.

Looking around europe, there are few clubs who need him and even fewer of those could afford his fee and his wages.

Don't lose any sleep over it.

amiable · 06-06-2012 5:27pm

Gbear wrote: »

Are players allowed to have bad seasons unless they're a keeper? Or if a player has a bad season he should be sold full stop?

I'm not entirely sure what the situation is now but a few weeks ago it seemed our goalkeeping coach was going to be sacked. We also played too deep a line. Innumerable times in seasons past Reina would play the sweeper-keeper. It's quite likely under Rodgers he'd go back to that.

Looking around europe, there are few clubs who need him and even fewer of those could afford his fee and his wages.

Don't lose any sleep over it.

You seem to have jumped in to the debate and assumed people are saying they want rid of Reina.
The original point is that Reina may want to leave but some people are taking it up that we should sell Reina.

mike65 · 06-06-2012 5:28pm

UGH! A new manager being compared to Kenny Dalglish, while Dalglish looks over the shoulder of the new guy. All the wrong signals!

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