The AH Budget discussion thread.

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:16pm

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

bull****.

Bullsh1t my arse. I've worked for multinationals for years, one in particular that everyone thinks is probably the most advanced company around and I can say from experience that the jobs are mainly low skill. Also, non unionised, so your job can be replaced by a contractor, which is what I've seen happen...

SheroN · 14-10-2008 5:17pm

Beau x1 wrote: »

€10 departure flight tax is due to come in on 30th March, glad I've got my plans to go away in Feb!

If you have flights booked and paid for, for after March 30th, do you still have to pay this tax?

javaboy · 14-10-2008 5:17pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

Bullsh1t my arse. I've worked for multinationals for years, one in particular that everyone thinks is probably the most advanced company around and I can say from experience that the jobs are mainly low skill. Also, non unionised, so your job can be replaced by a contractor, which is what I've seen happen...

Was it Intel by any chance?

Bluetonic · 14-10-2008 5:18pm

Beau x1 wrote: »

€10 departure flight tax is due to come in on 30th March, glad I've got my plans to go away in Feb!

Interesting they picked that date as the Countries largest carrier Ryanair has yet to put flights on sale from March 30th yet.

14-10-2008 5:18pm

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

Nope its because the publicans are a rowdy bunch who the government do not want to piss off.

If they wanted to increase taxes on alcohol they should have put an increase on alcohol sold off-license.

Yeah.But it is not as if publicans can go on strike or anything:D

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:18pm

eoin_s wrote: »

Are you for real?

That's been my experience after working for a multinational for 6 years. It's easy to disagree until you've worked for a multinational...

Peteee · 14-10-2008 5:19pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

They are only here for the ultra low corporation tax rate and the jobs they bring here are low skill jobs.

Ah yes, sure anyone can work at Microsoft, no need for a Computer Science degree at all!

Beau x1 · 14-10-2008 5:19pm

SheroN wrote: »

If you have flights booked and paid for, for after March 30th, do you still have to pay this tax?

I don't think so; I'd say the departure tax is most likely added on when you pay for the flight ticket itself from March 30th and then onwards.

phantom_lord · 14-10-2008 5:20pm

DarkJager wrote: »

Nope don't think so. But you can do something. When it comes to election time again, stand in the polling station and break the fingers, hands and arms of any **** who ticks a box for Fianna Fail.

in fairness there's no alternative, fg would be even worse.

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:20pm

javaboy wrote: »

Was it Intel by any chance?

No, wasn't Intel. Why you think that? Was a pharmaceutical.

Varkov · 14-10-2008 5:21pm

The likes of Intel, IBM, HP.

Huge amounts of these jobs are very low skilled. And they are contracted out, so you get a **** wage for it and you can be laid off anytime they feel like it.

Edit, just saw above. Novartis and Pfizer aswell.

14-10-2008 5:21pm

Peteee wrote: »

Ah yes, sure anyone can work at Microsoft, no need for a Computer Science degree at all!

Maybe he just has a degree.In these day and ages,you gonna need a Ph.D for the big bucks.

SheroN · 14-10-2008 5:21pm

Beau x1 wrote: »

I don't think so; I'd say the departure tax is most likely added on when you pay for the flight ticket itself from March 30th and then onwards.

Result.

Dinter · 14-10-2008 5:21pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

one in particular that everyone thinks is probably the most advanced company around and I can say from experience that the jobs are mainly low skill.

Daragh handing out freebie Herald AMs for International News and Media doesn't quite compare with working for Intel or Google etc.

rossie1977 · 14-10-2008 5:22pm

Beau x1 wrote:

€10 departure flight tax is due to come in on 30th March, glad I've got my plans to go away in Feb!

was keeping an eye on flights to spain and sweden last few days for december, ryanair slapped the 10euro tax on flights departing ireland as soon as lenihan announced it, baxtards :mad:

Eoin · 14-10-2008 5:24pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

That's been my experience after working for a multinational for 6 years. It's easy to disagree until you've worked for a multinational...

It's easy to disagree when you work for one as well which I do. Tell the highly specialised people in the likes of Google and Microsoft that their jobs are low-skilled and see where it gets you. You're talking shìte.

Beau x1 wrote: »

Aren't the jobs of a specialised and skilled nature over here?

Yep, that's the point I am making.

Run_to_da_hills · 14-10-2008 5:24pm

Beau x1 wrote: »

€10 departure flight tax is due to come in on 30th March, glad I've got my plans to go away in Feb!

O Leary is going to make a killing on this one from all the canceled tickets and missed flights just as he has been doing with the airport tax over the last two decades. :rolleyes:

CiaranC · 14-10-2008 5:25pm

lol @ Darragh29. When I worked at Microsoft I was amazed at all the people who had just the junior cert there working for minimum wage, lol

javaboy · 14-10-2008 5:25pm

Why do people expect every job a high tech company provides to be high skilled? The places will still need cleaners, canteen workers, security etc. In any major setup there's going to be a need for support/services staff.

Darragh29 wrote: »

No, wasn't Intel. Why you think that? Was a pharmaceutical.

Some of what you said rang a few bells about Intel. Just curious.

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:25pm

Dinter wrote: »

Daragh handing out freebie Herald AMs for International News and Media doesn't quite compare with working for Intel or Google etc.

I've a mate with a degree in engineering who left Intel after being stuck in a room loading processors into some machine for 6 months. He said a kid on scondary school work experience could have done it successfully.

prendy · 14-10-2008 5:26pm

so as a low earning professional with a car i am getting screwed while non smoking mates on the dole are laughing.
petrol and motor tax are pretty big increases, thats gonna hurt

a 1% income reduction for everyone from 20k to 99k...that seems fair:rolleyes:

no forced redundancies in the publisc sector? why?

Krieg · 14-10-2008 5:26pm

Arseholes wrote:

.50c increase on cigarettes

Meh... could have been worse i guess. But that right there says ill be paying an extra €190 per year

Spud83 · 14-10-2008 5:26pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

was keeping an eye on flights to spain and sweden last few days for december, ryanair slapped the 10euro tax on flights departing ireland as soon as lenihan announced it, baxtards :mad:

Doesn't come in till march so i don't see why they would do that.

ven0m · 14-10-2008 5:27pm

Dinter wrote: »

Yeah the economy could have been fixed over night if we'd managed to drive those pesky American multinationals out by putting up corporation tax. :rolleyes:

And again :rolleyes:

And jeez one more :rolleyes:

And fuk it here's another, :rolleyes:

I would like to point out one of Microsoft's most profitable business units here & one of it's smallest at he same token which would have had a tax liabaility off nearly 35 million euros last year walked away with a tax liability for that business unit of only approx 450,000 euros.

Considering they have multiple business units, how much tax money are get getting away with not paying legally? They have high profile & well paid tax consultants helping them use every loophole available to minimise their tax liabilities. I'm pretty sure said loopholes were intended to help much smaller companies than MS.

p.s. this isn't MS bashing, it's just the easiest example to pick. (hey, if you can get away with it legally - why not)

but it is an example of our shambolic tax system.

Dinter · 14-10-2008 5:28pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

I've a mate with a degree in engineering who left Intel after being stuck in a room loading processors into some machine for 6 months. He said a kid on scondary school work experience could have done it successfully.

Oh another one of your "mates" who magically prove every point you ever wish to make by virtue of their existence. Tbh your pals might be "true's god" in the pub but they mean nothing here.

Dinter · 14-10-2008 5:30pm

ven0m wrote: »

p.s. this isn't MS bashing, it's just the easiest example to pick. (hey, if you can get away with it legally - why not)

but it is an example of our shambolic tax system.

Sure I agree with that. Of course they're only here because it benefits them. My point is though that it's killing the goose that lays golden eggs (jobs) to drive them out. You put up corporation tax they'll leave and suddenly there's a lot more people on the live register.

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:31pm

eoin_s wrote: »

It's easy to disagree when you work for one as well which I do. Tell the highly specialised people in the likes of Google and Microsoft that their jobs are low-skilled and see where it gets you. You're talking shìte.

Yep, that's the point I am making.

Well your experience obviously differs from mine. The jobs I saw in multinationals were low skill.

Eoin · 14-10-2008 5:31pm

javaboy wrote: »

Why do people expect every job a high tech company provides to be high skilled? The places will still need cleaners, canteen workers, security etc. In any major setup there's going to be a need for support/services staff.

Of course not every job is going to be specialised, I don't think anyone is suggesting that. But to suggest that all of them are low skilled just shows an absolute lack of knowledge about the IT industry.

Caoimhín · 14-10-2008 5:31pm

Lads,

Why all the grumbling about a 6 euro increase on the dole. Social welfare is a fact of life in the western world.

6 euro is not a lot of money compared to the 2.1 BILLION euro that has been made available to give in loans for young people to buy over priced houses off the developers/builders/FF buddies.

The people who contributed most to causing this crisis have just been let off the hook. Bitching about people on the dole is a complete waste of time. The real thieves are now sitting down to a big celebratory dinner in their mansions.

Dinter · 14-10-2008 5:31pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

Well your experience obviously differs from mine. The jobs I saw in multinationals were low skill.

maybe because you were low skilled?

Oshare Bones · 14-10-2008 5:32pm

Why do people think dole "spongers" as you call them are getting loads from this budget? The jobseekers allowance/benefit is remaining exactly the same. So with the increase in VAT, petrol, motor tax, etc. they are actually coming out worse than before the budget.

Edit- as far as I can see, it's only carers allowance/benefit, state pension and maternity benefit increasing.

Beau x1 · 14-10-2008 5:34pm

Actually, anyone know how does the gambling tax introduced work exactly? Would I have to pay tax from Poker winnings or is it just casinos charging the additional cost onto the consumer?

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:34pm

eoin_s wrote: »

Of course not every job is going to be specialised, I don't think anyone is suggesting that. But to suggest that all of them are low skilled just shows an absolute lack of knowledge about the IT industry.

I never mentioned the IT industry. I mentioned multinationals, not all of which are in the IT industry.

Whatever about the potential of the empoyment they bring here, they can WELL afford to step up to the plate as the rest of us have had to. There should have been an equilivent "temporary levy" put beside corporation tax onto company profits.

Spud83 · 14-10-2008 5:35pm

caoibhin wrote: »

Lads,

Why all the grumbling about a 6 euro increase on the dole. Social welfare is a fact of life in the western world.

6 euro is not a lot of money compared to the 2.1 BILLION euro that has been made available to give in loans for young people to buy over priced houses off the developers/builders/FF buddies.

The people who contributed most to causing this crisis have just been let off the hook. Bitching about people on the dole is a complete waste of time. The real thieves are now sitting down to a big celebratory dinner in their mansions.

Completely agree.

I don't think people should be giving out about the dole. You never know you might need it one day.

Also agree regarding the help being given for first time buyers. Help them by letting the prices come down and letting the market adjust. What they have done is try and prop up the housing market with some very wobbly sticks.

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:35pm

Dinter wrote: »

maybe because you were low skilled?

I've a B.Eng (hons) and an M. Eng (hons), so I think you're talkng through your rectum again.

Dinter · 14-10-2008 5:37pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

. . so I think you're talkng through your rectum again.

No I think that's what you were doing at your interview to end up with a succession of low skilled jobs.

SheroN · 14-10-2008 5:39pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

I've a B.Eng (hons) and an M. Eng (hons), so I think you're talkng through your rectum again.

Dinter wrote: »

No I think that's what you were doing at your interview to end up with a succession of low skilled jobs.

Take it to PM. No one cares how you define low skilled jobs or what qualifications you have.

javaboy · 14-10-2008 5:39pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

Whatever about the potential of the empoyment they bring here, they can WELL afford to step up to the plate as the rest of us have had to. There should have been an equilivent "temporary levy" put beside corporation tax onto company profits.

The point is that they'll just pack up and leave if they get taxed too much. They are in the business to make money. There's no 'stepping up to the plate' because they don't feel a moral obligation to contribute any more than they have to. They follow the money. That's why these corporations get so rich.

Marcus.Aurelius · 14-10-2008 5:39pm

Ah lads leave the insults for another day. There's plenty of people at the place I'm doing a PhD with less than a college diploma doing some of the same stuff I do.

BSc, PhD or BEng/MEng is hardly needed for most jobs in multinational industry either. I've seen BSc H grads being retaught everything again before they're let near the production floor.

Our government wouldn't know a decent high-skilled job if it hit them in their collective testicles.

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:39pm

Dinter wrote: »

No I think that's what you were doing at your interview to end up with a succession of low skilled jobs.

Doubt it. Have you any actual experience of what we're discussing here, so you can contribute from an informed position?

Degsy · 14-10-2008 5:40pm

Oshare Bones wrote: »

Why do people think dole "spongers" as you call them are getting loads from this budget? The jobseekers allowance/benefit is remaining exactly the same. So with the increase in VAT, petrol, motor tax, etc. they are actually coming out worse than before the budget.

Edit- as far as I can see, it's only carers allowance/benefit, state pension and maternity benefit increasing.

People on the dole shouldnt have cars..where do they get the money to run them on 200 quid a week anyway?

Spud83 · 14-10-2008 5:40pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

I never mentioned the IT industry. I mentioned multinationals, not all of which are in the IT industry.

Whatever about the potential of the empoyment they bring here, they can WELL afford to step up to the plate as the rest of us have had to. There should have been an equilivent "temporary levy" put beside corporation tax onto company profits.

Unemployment is rising. How do you think these companies would pay for a increase in corporation tax? Would they just say ah thats grand sure that come out of our profits. Obviously not they would cut jobs to balance it out, and be able to blame the government while they do it.

Not to mention that an increase in the corporation tax would have an effect on our competitiveness in attracting multinational investment which would have a very bad effect on the number jobs being created here.

The jobs being low-skilled or high-skilled does not matter.

Oshare Bones · 14-10-2008 5:43pm

Degsy wrote: »

People on the dole shouldnt have cars..where do they get the money to run them on 200 quid a week anyway?

I don't think it's relevant how dole recipients actually spend the money the receive. A small car for someone with a full license and few years NCB only costs around 50-60/ week to run anyway.

foxy06 · 14-10-2008 5:44pm

Can anyone tell me what the government buying equity in affordable housing means?

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:44pm

javaboy wrote: »

The point is that they'll just pack up and leave if they get taxed too much. They are in the business to make money. There's no 'stepping up to the plate' because they don't feel a moral obligation to contribute any more than they have to. They follow the money. That's why these corporations get so rich.

Look, none of us want to pay more tax! We aren't actually "stepping up to the plate", we are being hit for more tax that we don't want to pay. We have a muppet who is borrowing more money instead of taking a fu*king chainsaw to the public sector and squeezing as much as he can out of ALL those who can be hit for more.

He could have put 0.5% onto corporation tax and it would have meant he would have to borrow less, nobody woudl be leaving the country over 0.5% and corporation tax would still be an extremely generous 13%.

Dinter · 14-10-2008 5:45pm

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

The jobs being low-skilled or high-skilled does not matter.

Don't bother trying to argue with him. His sole experience of life is what he overhears from his "mates". Reread the past couple of pages of this thread and you'll see he's already shambling backwards over his own anecdotes*.

*lies.

Bluetonic · 14-10-2008 5:48pm

Oshare Bones wrote: »

Why do people think dole "spongers" as you call them are getting loads from this budget? The jobseekers allowance/benefit is remaining exactly the same. So with the increase in VAT, petrol, motor tax, etc. they are actually coming out worse than before the budget.

Edit- as far as I can see, it's only carers allowance/benefit, state pension and maternity benefit increasing.

JB & JA is increasing by 6 euro 50 cent from 1/1/09

Also...

In respect of new claimants, the required underlying number of paid contributions is being increased from 52 to 104 for entitlement to Jobseeker’s Benefit, Illness Benefit and Health & Safety Benefit;

Degsy · 14-10-2008 5:49pm

Oshare Bones wrote: »

I don't think it's relevant how dole recipients actually spend the money the receive. A small car for someone with a full license and few years NCB only costs around 50-60/ week to run anyway.

What about buying the car,insuring it etc?
Cars cost a bloody fortune.
Maybe the dole recipients could use the car to make money..hang on loads of them already do that.

ongarite · 14-10-2008 5:49pm

javaboy wrote: »

Why do people expect every job a high tech company provides to be high skilled? The places will still need cleaners, canteen workers, security etc. In any major setup there's going to be a need for support/services staff.

Some of what you said rang a few bells about Intel. Just curious.

Darragh29 wrote: »

I've a mate with a degree in engineering who left Intel after being stuck in a room loading processors into some machine for 6 months. He said a kid on scondary school work experience could have done it successfully.

I work for one of the big equipment suppliers in Intel and I can confirm what Javaboy & Darragh29 is true.
The majority of the jobs in Intel are far from high-skilled and the most of them couldn't think for themselves. Intel is very very strictly regulated work envoirenment with all work done from pre-printed procedures.
A trained monkey could do most of the grunt work.

Anyway what's this got to do with the Budget.

14-10-2008 5:49pm

Ah well,Might as well stay a student for a few more years.

The AH Budget discussion thread.

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