Countdown to the Bomb

dlofnep · 27-12-2008 4:38pm

I doubt even if you had the breath you'd be able to muster up a credible argument that validated the deaths of 1200+ Palestinians in 3 years. Don't worry about it. I'm more than happy to call a day on it.

Biggins · 27-12-2008 4:45pm

dlofnep wrote: »

I doubt even if you had the breath you'd be able to muster up a credible argument that validated the deaths of 1200+ Palestinians in 3 years. Don't worry about it. I'm more than happy to call a day on it.

Yep, 'nuff said.
Neither of us are on a winner.

Changing the subject - have a good new year. Lets hope its a more peaceful one all round.

IRISH RAIL · 27-12-2008 6:45pm

ha ha
I have it from good authorithy the best is yet to come for the scumlord child killing terrorist scum who call themselves palestinian freedom fighters

wait and see what happens next

A Primal Nut · 27-12-2008 6:49pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Even if tomorrow was new years eve, how does that make you less wrong?

There is obviously some kind of joke that unfortunately only BoneyArseBogman himself gets? Hopefully he'll explain it coz has me baffled.

Biggins · 27-12-2008 6:49pm

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

ha ha
I have it from good authorithy the best is yet to come for the scumlord child killing terrorist scum who call themselves palestinian freedom fighters

wait and see what happens next

Apparently, at the height of their abilities, they were supposedly creators of many a virus. Their thinking (and there was good reasoning behind it) was that if they created a good enough virus, they could seriously damage Israel and America's banking community.

Its a mad world we live in!

wes · 27-12-2008 6:52pm

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

so right there biggins

wes I was waiting for your anti semitic bile to come and purge this page with drivel
go back to the politics forum where people dont listen to you

Complete garbage. You really have a huge personal problem with me, when you completely ignore the comment made by another user talking about wiping Israel off the map. I think this shows you could care less about anti-semtism and rather have a problem with me. I can only wonder why that is.

It really sad that you can't try and at least argue with what I am saying and instead trying to make things personal. You don't like the truth, as its inconvenient to you. Sorry, but your name calling doesn't scare me, as I have the facts on my side and it sure as hell won't shut me up.

So please, show what anti-semitic comments I made? You will find there are none and all I did was point out history thats inconvenient to you. I even mentioned a source for it. You are per usual would rather ignore history and throw out childish insults, instead of trying to debate, as I tend to point all kinds of inconvenient facts that you don't like.

tallaght01 · 27-12-2008 6:55pm

wes wrote: »

read the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Illan Pappe for more info on that.

Cool. Sounds like a really balanced account of what's going on.;);)

Both sides are as murderous as each other. Israel just happen to have bigger and badder weapons. Anyone who thinks either side is worse than the other is living on cloud cuckoo.

I'd be pretty left-wing meself, but I just can't get into the whole anti-Israel stuff that is so beloved of Irish socialists.

I prefer to spend my energy talking about the fact that diarrhoea kills more babies in developing countries every day than either side kills in 6 months. Or the fact that 40million people have HIV worldwide, and are dying like flies because they can't get drugs.

The left in Ireland doesn't give a flying flute about these causes, as they don't lend themselves to the David and Goliath stuff that they all want to be associated with.

Ass · 27-12-2008 6:58pm

With a bit of luck, Iran might lob a few nukes in to Israel to sort them all out. Israel really piss me off, with all their carry on in the west bank and the Lebanon.

Neamhshuntasach · 27-12-2008 7:00pm

All people ever seem to focus on when defending Israel is the actions of the Hamas and other Palestinian militants. They never ever focus on the reason why. While the question of "would you sit on your hands while 450+ rockets are fired into your country?" is asked and used as a defensive argument as to the legitimacy of Israel's over aggression, you never hear the question of, "would you sit on your hands while your wife was denied access to the hospital at an Israeli checkpoint and as a result you lost your child, or if you had your house bulldozed for Israeli settlers while being told you needed a signature from a certain Israeli department to spare your house only to find out after 3 attempts at rebuilding your house and 3 more demolisions that the department is non existant, or that you heard on a loud speaker than the curfew is lifted and you allow your kids to go out and play or you decide to go to the store for what little food makes it into your village, only to be sniped in the head by an Israeli enforcing the "curfew".

Until you have been there and lived amongst them or at least are prepared to find out the reason why suicide bombings take place, why they fire inferior rockets into pretty much barren land in Israel. You will never be able to fully understand the situation and will continue to blindly support Israel because you only see the side the western media portrays.

wes · 27-12-2008 7:07pm

tallaght01 wrote: »

Cool. Sounds like a really balanced account of what's going on.;);)

The history presented in the book is largely accurate, but if you don't like it, try 1948 By Benny Morris (who is a right wing Zionist), that should provide your desired balance. Of course the fact that there are millions of Palestinians refugees kind of proves my point.

As for both side being equally murderous, I can't say I disagree, but that doesn't change the facts of history, which a lot of people like to ignore.

27-12-2008 7:19pm

Wow.This thread got all serious

Neamhshuntasach · 27-12-2008 7:29pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Wow.This thread got all serious

Nah, you just don't get the sarcasm.

Manic Moran · 27-12-2008 7:35pm

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They never ever focus on the reason why. While the question of "would you sit on your hands while 450+ rockets are fired into your country?"

Why not focus on the why, then? What is the desired endstated from the rocket-launchings and suicide bombings? What's the purpose? Do they really think that continued use of these tactics are going to result in a rectifying of the problems you list? Or is it more likely to reinforce the problem? What does the last 30 years tell us?

If' someone's way the hell bigger than you, you don't try using force against them. That's their advantage.

NTM

Biggins · 27-12-2008 7:40pm

To be honest, its a completely mad situation.
I think its going to take a completely mad solution to end this whole mess.

...like getting all the world top ambassadors from major countries and dividing them up equally and getting them to reside in Gaza and Israel border communities.

Then see who will take the risk of chucking something and receive the reaction from the rest of the world!

In reality, I can't see any current possible solution that is workable.

dlofnep · 27-12-2008 8:00pm

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

ha ha
I have it from good authorithy the best is yet to come for the scumlord child killing terrorist scum who call themselves palestinian freedom fighters

wait and see what happens next

I think you mean the Israeli Defense forces, or did you miss my post when I highlighted the truth of the situation. I'll repeat it for you, just incase you forgot.

Total Palestinian deaths in the past 3 years: 1290 (222 of which were children)
Total Israeli deaths in the past 3 years: 86 (8 of which were children)

Who's the child killing terrorist scum now? Or do the 222 Palestinian children (not including those who have died recently) not count?

You keep eating up your Israeli fed propaganda and we'll stick to more accurate figures on the situation.

Highsider · 27-12-2008 8:13pm

Biggins wrote: »

I'll make a prediction.

The current wave of tit for tat attacks will continue mainstream for the next few days.
Political influence will eventually slow things down (as usual).
Hamas will then in the intervening period gain time to re-arm itself quietly while publicly state they are ceasing fire in order to deal with their casualties and show to the world that they are the ones wishing for peace and gain lost propaganda influence.
To keep the fire stoked as such however, once in a while a missile will be fired.

Within two/three months a suicide bomber will once again explode themselves within a major Israel town, probably the capital. This bomb attack if it don't happen before or on the upcoming election's day in Israel, will give the recurring/new power in Israel to continue more heavily, attacks by air strikes on Gaza.
There will be no ground forces sent in. Only troops to help tighten the border. (The Israelite government know they can't win a ground war) More Israel warships will be deployed off the Gaza coast to stop any weapons of the missile type getting continuously in.

Its a cycle that will continue to play itself out till eventually a dirty bomb will be supplied to Hamas, in parts or whole. This, they will release upon the Israel capital. When that happens, its game over for the lot of us.

Why "game over for the lot of us" ? We don't live in the middle east

Biggins · 27-12-2008 8:23pm

Highsider wrote: »

Why "game over for the lot of us" ? We don't live in the middle east

If only because of treaties drawn up and nations siding on one side or the other subsequently as the missiles begin to fly.

That said - I hope to god I'm wrong for all our sakes!
I would love to be wrong.

galwayrush · 27-12-2008 8:29pm

On a more serious note, did some Irish Minister once say at a peace meeting between the Jews and Muslims something along the lines of " Why can't you all do the Christian thing and get along"

Biggins · 27-12-2008 8:31pm

galwayrush wrote: »

On a more serious note, did some Irish Minister once say at a peace meeting between the Jews and Muslims something along the lines of " Why can't you all do the Christian thing and get along"

I remember that. Irish politician thinking at its best. :pac:

Hagar · 27-12-2008 8:32pm

<3BeingIN6th wrote: »

It's akin to Cork nuking Kerry.

Interesting very interesting. How could we develop this idea?
Can we give Kerry nukes for a retaliatory strike?

Neamhshuntasach · 27-12-2008 8:51pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

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Why not focus on the why, then? What is the desired endstated from the rocket-launchings and suicide bombings? What's the purpose? Do they really think that continued use of these tactics are going to result in a rectifying of the problems you list? Or is it more likely to reinforce the problem? What does the last 30 years tell us?

If' someone's way the hell bigger than you, you don't try using force against them. That's their advantage.

NTM

Why not focus on the why? Because the media never focuses on the why because they don't want people to know the why. It's the same reason they change the language for each side. Palestinians die and the headline is along the lines of, 20 Palestinians die in clashes with IDF. Some Israelis die and it's something like 3 Israelis massacred by Palestinian terrorists. Even when Palestinians die at the hands of ordinary Israeli citizens they are never named as terrorists and the event is never a massacre. Such as when Baruch Goldstein shot up the mosque at the cave of the patriarchs. If they world can turn a blind eye to Israels actions and only condemn Palestine, well then the problem is never gonna be solved. The same goes for Hamas firing rockets into Israel. It's just gonna be a vicious circle that goes back and forth. But when you are backed into a corner against a bigger aggressor you become desperate. And out of desperation comes the actions that the Palestinians partake in. If you don't have that mentality or have never been in that situation you will never really know what it's like. People like that don't see it from your perspective.

"If' someone's way the hell bigger than you, you don't try using force against them. That's their advantage."

Well the Israeli's believe in the story of David and Goliath. The roles were reversed back then and David fought against someone way the hell bigger than him.

galwayrush · 27-12-2008 8:59pm

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

"If' someone's way the hell bigger than you, you don't try using force against them. That's their advantage."

Well the Israeli's believe in the story of David and Goliath. The roles were reversed back then and David fought against someone way the hell bigger than him.

It's more like the small state of Israel with little more than 7 million people trying to defend itself and exist while surrounded by Muslim countries with populations of a few hundred million containing many millitants who would like to see Israel wiped off the map.

tallaght01 · 27-12-2008 9:10pm

wes wrote: »

try 1948 By Benny Morris (who is a right wing Zionist), that should provide your desired balance..

:rolleyes:

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Why not focus on the why? Because the media never focuses on the why because they don't want people to know the why. It's the same reason they change the language for each side. Palestinians die and the headline is along the lines of, 20 Palestinians die in clashes with IDF. Some Israelis die and it's something like 3 Israelis massacred by Palestinian terrorists. Even when Palestinians die at the hands of ordinary Israeli citizens they are never named as terrorists and the event is never a massacre. .

Wow, that's some paranoid head you have on you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

Look at the picture there. Look at the headlines beside the pic. "In pictures:Gaza under attack"....."Gaza malnutrition and shortages"......"UK voices concern over Gaza". All on the front page.

Then look at the MUCH less prominent piece about child malnutrition in Zimbabwe

Nodin · 27-12-2008 9:11pm

Biggins wrote: »

Why so?
When they go and fire their missiles from the roof tops of their Hamas police stations, properties, etc, do they expect not to get hit back!.

They don't fire them from there either, because they haven't the range.
You seem hell bent on not reading the article. Any reason?

Biggins wrote: »

This is the same organisation that produced a cheap mickey mouse character for childrens tv last year that showed him with a suicide bomb strapped to him and told them it was a good thing for them to do!
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1183053066461&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
!.

It doesn't contain that information in the article you linked. Bit of a pattern emerging here.

Biggins wrote: »

When your dealing with that type of pure sick mentality you can't reply to them on a normal rational level that would normally have a possible positive reaction.

Which is what one side says to demonise the other, presumably since time began. It's not very helpful to trying to find some solution to the problem, however.

IRISHRAIL wrote:

ha ha
I have it from good authorithy the best is yet to come for the scumlord child killing terrorist scum who call themselves palestinian freedom fighters

wait and see what happens next .

...that being said, clearly there are some bloodthirsty types on both sides.

Manic Moran wrote:

What's the purpose? Do they really think that continued use of these tactics are going to result in a rectifying of the problems you list? Or is it more likely to reinforce the problem? What does the last 30 years tell us?

If' someone's way the hell bigger than you, you don't try using force against them. That's their advantage..

They use anything up to live rifle and tank fire on protests in the West Bank. Secondly, in any lull, building activity in the OT accellerates. They're in a lose-lose situation.

Galwayrush wrote:

It's more like the small state of Israel with little more than 7 million people trying to defend itself and exist ..

Building civillian colonies in the OT is not 'defending itself'. Slowly driving out the Palestinian population of Arab East Jerusalem is not 'defending itself'. Letting its extremist settlers run riot is not 'defending itself'.

Biggins · 27-12-2008 9:18pm

Nodin wrote: »

"I know everything and the rest of ye are talking codswallop... I'm a wanna be expert!"

Yawn...

dlofnep · 27-12-2008 9:20pm

tallaght01 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Wow, that's some paranoid head you have on you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

Look at the picture there. Look at the headlines beside the pic. "In pictures:Gaza under attack"....."Gaza malnutrition and shortages"......"UK voices concern over Gaza". All on the front page.

Then look at the MUCH less prominent piece about child malnutrition in Zimbabwe

Sorry, but he has a point with the media. The media is highly skewed in favour of Israel. Especially western media.

dlofnep · 27-12-2008 9:22pm

Biggins wrote: »

Yawn...

Instead of wasting bandwidth with yawning, how about just not posting? You've already demonstrated a lack of very basic skills when debating this topic.. You've nothing to offer, and yawning and rolling your eyes isn't going to strengthen your debate any further.

Biggins · 27-12-2008 9:22pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Sorry, but he has a point with the media. The media is highly skewed in favour of Israel. Especially western media.

In that we do agree. As for the rest - I'm up for debating, not being petty and vicious.
That just starts flame wars - me not going there. No one becomes a winner.

galwayrush · 27-12-2008 9:22pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Sorry, but he has a point with the media. The media is highly skewed in favour of Israel. Especially western media.

I expect the muslim countries media to be the opposite.:rolleyes:

arse..biscuits · 27-12-2008 9:23pm

Israel has to fight to the death every time it gets into a war because if they ever lose and are over run they will be wiped of the face of the earth. I can't think of another country that has that kind of threat hanging over them.

Remember that whole cartoon of Mohammad thing, there was protests in Palestinian areas with posters saying "Death to all westerners". That includes me and you. They are not the most reasonable of people.

dlofnep · 27-12-2008 9:25pm

arse..biscuits wrote: »

Israel has to fight to the death every time it gets into a war because if they ever lose and are over run they will be wiped of the face of the earth. I can't think of another country that has that kind of threat hanging over them.

Remember that whole cartoon of Mohammad thing, there was protests in Palestinian areas with posters saying "Death to all westerners". That includes me and you. They are not the most reasonable of people.

Extremism exists in all walks of life. Palestinian people are just people. People who have been brought up in an extreme set of circumstances. Don't judge unless you've walked a day in their shoes.

dlofnep · 27-12-2008 9:27pm

galwayrush wrote: »

I expect the muslim countries media to be the opposite.:rolleyes:

Since when was Britain of the USA, or Ireland even jewish states? That's the difference. Rupert Murdoch controls western media and displays Palestinians as militant cavemen, while Israelis are defenders of noble and just causes.

Biggins · 27-12-2008 9:27pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Extremism exists in all walks of life. Palestinian people are just people. People who have been brought up in an extreme set of circumstances. Don't judge unless you've walked a day in their shoes.

Extremism whatever the cause and level of madness don't mean its still right - and that applies to both sides.

IRISH RAIL · 27-12-2008 9:27pm

youre a far cry from palestine living in waterford :rolleyes:

Nodin · 27-12-2008 9:29pm

Biggins wrote: »

Yawn...

Don't put in quotes what I didn't say.

Is there any reason you're trying to drag this to the level of personal abuse rather than address any of the points made?

Biggins wrote: »

I'm up for debating, not being petty and vicious...

Then you'll be deleting the offending effort and treating of the issues in future then.....

arse-bisuits wrote:

Israel has to fight to the death every time it gets into a war because if they ever lose and are over run they will be wiped of the face of the earth. I can't think of another country that has that kind of threat hanging over them. ...

Who is trying to overrun Israel at this point in time? Because I'm reasonably sure theres no Palestinian check points in Tel Aviv to protect their settlers there....

galwayrush · 27-12-2008 9:29pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Since when was Britain of the USA, or Ireland even jewish states? That's the difference. Rupert Murdoch controls western media and displays Palestinians as militant cavemen, while Israelis are defenders of noble and just causes.

I never said Western media wasn't biased towards Israel, merely stated that i expect an Islamic controlled media to be biased towards Palestine.

Biggins · 27-12-2008 9:32pm

Given that there is clearly one sided strong views about the current situation, is there any chance we could talk instead about possible workable solutions instead of taking pot-shots at each other (Yes, I'm guilty too).

It might be less entertaining for others to read but at least we won't get our collective asses banned.
(and the wife likes my ass, she hates to see it whipped unless she's doing it!)

galwayrush · 27-12-2008 9:33pm

Biggins wrote: »

Given that there is clearly one sided strong views about the current situation, is there any chance we could talk instead about possible workable solutions instead of taking pot-shots at each other (Yes, I'm guilty too).

It might be less entertaining for others to read but at least we won't get our collective asses banned.
(and the wife likes my ass, she hates to see it whipped unless she's doing it!)

Let them do the Christian thing.:D

Biggins · 27-12-2008 9:34pm

galwayrush wrote: »

Let them do the Christian thing.:D

I shoulda seen that coming! :pac:

Tipsy Mac · 27-12-2008 9:35pm

I think the only peaceful solution would be for the Russians or Chinese to supply the Palestinians with Fighter Planes, Attack Helicopters and Tanks in the same way that the Americans supply the Israelis with them. Also if the Palestinians had about 20 Nukes it would bring peace to the region in the same way it has to India and Pakistan, Russia and America etc...

tallaght01 · 27-12-2008 9:37pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/mhsncwkfkfcw/

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Israeli-Airstrikes-On-Gaza-Hamas-Leader-Ismail-Haniyeh-Condemns-Ugliest-Massacre/Article/200812415194411?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15194411_Israeli_Airstrikes_On_Gaza%3A_Hamas_Leader_Ismail_Haniyeh_Condemns_Ugliest_Massacre

The news I've been reading just doesn't seem to be crazy biased.

Terry · 27-12-2008 9:37pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Total Palestinian deaths in the past 3 years: 1290 (222 of which were children)
Total Israeli deaths in the past 3 years: 86 (8 of which were children)

Watch Sky News much?

In fairness to sky news, they gave more time to the Palestinian negotiator than the Israeli representative this morning. (STFU. You find something to watch at 7am that isn't some pre-teen crap on nickleodeon).

The Palestinian woman did give as good as she got too.

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

ha ha
I have it from good authorithy the best is yet to come for the scumlord child killing terrorist scum who call themselves palestinian freedom fighters

wait and see what happens next

Ooh. I'm intrigued.
What are they going to do? Bomb the crap out of them again?

Ass Face wrote: »

With a bit of luck, Iran might lob a few nukes in to Israel to sort them all out. Israel really piss me off, with all their carry on in the west bank and the Lebanon.

Again, Cork and Kerry.

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

All people ever seem to focus on when defending Israel is the actions of the Hamas and other Palestinian militants. They never ever focus on the reason why. While the question of "would you sit on your hands while 450+ rockets are fired into your country?" is asked and used as a defensive argument as to the legitimacy of Israel's over aggression, you never hear the question of, "would you sit on your hands while your wife was denied access to the hospital at an Israeli checkpoint and as a result you lost your child, or if you had your house bulldozed for Israeli settlers while being told you needed a signature from a certain Israeli department to spare your house only to find out after 3 attempts at rebuilding your house and 3 more demolisions that the department is non existant, or that you heard on a loud speaker than the curfew is lifted and you allow your kids to go out and play or you decide to go to the store for what little food makes it into your village, only to be sniped in the head by an Israeli enforcing the "curfew".

Until you have been there and lived amongst them or at least are prepared to find out the reason why suicide bombings take place, why they fire inferior rockets into pretty much barren land in Israel. You will never be able to fully understand the situation and will continue to blindly support Israel because you only see the side the western media portrays.

Just looking at the footage on sky news this morning really brought that truth home.
They had a camera pointed across an area of no mans land which is where most of the Palestinian rockets end up.
It's pretty much a barren wasteland and nobody lives there.

Biggins wrote: »

To be honest, its a completely mad situation.
I think its going to take a completely mad solution to end this whole mess.

...like getting all the world top ambassadors from major countries and dividing them up equally and getting them to reside in Gaza and Israel border communities.

Then see who will take the risk of chucking something and receive the reaction from the rest of the world!

In reality, I can't see any current possible solution that is workable.

Or Bono. He can do it.

The simple fact is that Israel has the backing of America and the Palestinians have no hope.
They were forced out of their homes, and there are no prizes for guessing who helped force them out.

galwayrush · 27-12-2008 9:37pm

Why not give mayo to the Israelis and Roscommon to the Palestinians?:)

Biggins · 27-12-2008 9:43pm

galwayrush wrote: »

Why not give mayo to the Israelis and Roscommon to the Palestinians?:)

Even better, give the warring states to the EU.

They are in a rush at the moment to collect more states - if the population like it or not! :mad:

arse..biscuits · 27-12-2008 9:45pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Extremism exists in all walks of life. Palestinian people are just people. People who have been brought up in an extreme set of circumstances. Don't judge unless you've walked a day in their shoes.

That goes for both sides.
Can you imagine what it must be like for Israeli's growing up surrounded by many countries who all openly say they want to destroy Israel? Try walking in their shoes. As I already said, if they lose a war its over for them.
I really don't like getting into the history of the situation over there as its so complicated you could argue for the rest of your life about it. The reality is the situation that exists is the situation that exists and poeple need the strive for peace, Isreal has made alot of consessions recently but the Palestinians won't give a millimetre. Its a hopeless situation until they accept that they can't get everything they want.

Biggins · 27-12-2008 9:47pm

arse..biscuits wrote: »

That goes for both sides.
Can you imagine what it must be like for Israeli's growing up surrounded by many countries who all openly say they want to destroy Israel? Try walking in their shoes. As I already said, if they lose a war its over for them.
I really don't like getting into the history of the situation over there as its so complicated you could argue for the rest of your life about it. The reality is the situation that exists is the situation that exists and people need the strive for peace, Israel has made a lot of concessions recently but the Palestinians won't give a millimetre. Its a hopeless situation until they accept that they can't get everything they want.

Well said, that possible solution pretty much has to be accepted before there is a lasting peace - from both sides of the wall.

Terry · 27-12-2008 9:54pm

arse..biscuits wrote: »

That goes for both sides.
Can you imagine what it must be like for Israeli's growing up surrounded by many countries who all openly say they want to destroy Israel? Try walking in their shoes. As I already said, if they lose a war its over for them.
I really don't like getting into the history of the situation over there as its so complicated you could argue for the rest of your life about it. The reality is the situation that exists is the situation that exists and poeple need the strive for peace, Isreal has made alot of consessions recently but the Palestinians won't give a millimetre. Its a hopeless situation until they accept that they can't get everything they want.

Would that be because the Israelis have forced the Palestinians out of their homes since the beginning of the last century?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine

Biggins · 27-12-2008 10:04pm

Its gotten so far down the road now that, there has to be a halt to everything and an acceptance that despite the who's right and who's at the begining, constantly digging it up and throwing it consistantly in each others faces is getting no where yet again.

Will this stop? No, 'cos the fanatics on both sides have deep seated hatred too dug in to root out.

Think of it in Northern Ireland terms. There is still inherited reasons for anger and bitterness, etc but later as we thankfully kopped ourselves on, we saw that the consistant cycle of violence was getting us nowhere and said on both sides, "Enough was enough".

Israel and Gaza have to do the same - till that happens, nothing will change.

I'm not starting a blame game, they (and we) have got to move away from that - there is no choice.

wes · 27-12-2008 10:25pm

tallaght01 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

You wanted balance, so I offered you another source. I specifically picked a very pro-Zionist writer, who is pretty right wing to balance out the left wing writings of Illan Pappe. You can get 2 opposing pov's that way, who are both looking at the same time period.

If you choose to ignore it, go right ahead, as the the old rolleyes isn't going to work with me, as you clearly aren't bothered enough to discuss things.

Ass · 27-12-2008 10:25pm

<3BeingIN6th wrote: »

Again, Cork and Kerry.

I'd be more than happy to sacrifice the west bank to get rid of Israel. I'd be even more willing to sacrifice Cork or Kerry to get rid of Israel.

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