457 visa

snakeeyes2007 · 13-01-2015 2:15pm #1

Hi,I am going to Australia on A e651 holiday visa.Then transferring to 457,
Is it possible to do this.or will I have to leave Australia to do this.
Also,do I need A garda Cert,and medical cert to apply for the 457 visa.Thanks

aido79 · 13-01-2015 5:55pm

snakeeyes2007 wrote: »

Hi,I am going to Australia on A e651 holiday visa.Then transferring to 457,
Is it possible to do this.or will I have to leave Australia to do this.
Also,do I need A garda Cert,and medical cert to apply for the 457 visa.Thanks

Why aren't you going straight onto a 457?

aido79 · 13-01-2015 6:12pm

http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/checklists/457-applicant.aspx

snakeeyes2007 · 13-01-2015 6:27pm

aido79 wrote: »

Why aren't you going straight onto a 457?

I have 3 companies interested on sponsoring me.I am going to meet them,and talk with there employees before I make any decision.As I was let down in 2012 with A 457 visa,

snakeeyes2007 · 13-01-2015 6:28pm

aido79 wrote: »

Why aren't you going straight onto a 457?

I have 3 companies interested on sponsoring me.I am going to meet them,and talk with there employees before I make any decision.As I was let down in 2012 with A 457 visa,

Batgurl · 13-01-2015 9:35pm

Do they know you are coming on a holiday visa and therefore cannot do any trial or work at all? Don't presume they do, many may think you are coming on a WHV.

The 457 visa promises can just as easily fall through when you are here.

Also if immigration find out your intention upon landing at the airport they may be concerned that you are likely to work or stay on illegally if your 457 does fall through.

aido79 · 13-01-2015 10:40pm

snakeeyes2007 wrote: »

I have 3 companies interested on sponsoring me.I am going to meet them,and talk with there employees before I make any decision.As I was let down in 2012 with A 457 visa,

Is there anyway that one of the companies would nominate you for residency or you chortle apply for a skilled visa? A 457 is possibly the worst visa to be on in Australia because you are tied to one company and if you have never worked for this company then you have no idea how they will treat you or what they are like to work for. Also if you come on a holiday visa make sure you don't bring anything with you that might suggest you are coming to work in Australia such as work clothes, work boots, tools or copies of your cv or you may find yourself on a return flight the same day you arrive.

pete4130 · 13-01-2015 11:14pm

The e651 is for a visitor or business visitor purposes so visiting companies to speak to them should be ok.

Immi website states:

"- engage in business visitor activities while in Australia provided you:

- do not work for or provide services to, a business or organisation
- do not sell goods or services to the public

- making general business or employment enquiries
- investigating, negotiating, signing or reviewing a business contract
- activities carried out as part of an official government-to-government visit
- participating in conferences, trade fairs or seminars, as long as you are not being paid by the organisers for you participation."

snakeeyes2007 · 30-03-2015 1:48pm

If I get A garda cert in Ireland before I go to Australia.how long will my Garda Cert stay Valid for.Thanks.

catbear · 30-03-2015 1:54pm

snakeeyes2007 wrote: »

If I get A garda cert in Ireland before I go to Australia.how long will my Garda Cert stay Valid for.Thanks.

The cert itself doesn't have an expiry date. Whoever requests it may require that it was issued within the year.

snakeeyes2007 · 30-03-2015 2:00pm

catbear wrote: »

The cert itself doesn't have an expiry date. Whoever requests it may require that it was issued within the year.

ok great thanks.

ArseBurger · 31-03-2015 3:51am

snakeeyes2007 wrote: »

If I get A garda cert in Ireland before I go to Australia.how long will my Garda Cert stay Valid for.Thanks.

Technically the certificate is only valid at the time it is created. You could get arrested and convicted the next week. In Australia, the Immigration Department require that the certificate be no more than one year old.

snakeeyes2007 · 31-03-2015 8:51am

ye I know this.I am just HOLIDAYING,
POSTING ANYTHING TO DO WITH VISAS ETC TO MY FRIEND BEeore i fly out.thanks.

geoion · 09-04-2015 5:12pm

Hi All,

I have recently applied for sponsorship visa 457 and it's been nearly 4 weeks since I have lodged our applications. The nomination has been granted and we were asked to do medicals for kids and chest xrays for myself and hubby. Did them and they have also been submitted .
Just wondering what is the next stage ? Does anyone know how long it will take from now for the visas to be approved?
Do they ask for anything else? We have submitted the police cert and IELTS english exams too.
Any advice or info? Thanks

catbear · 09-04-2015 5:28pm

geoion wrote: »

Hi All,

I have recently applied for sponsorship visa 457 and it's been nearly 4 weeks since I have lodged our applications. The nomination has been granted and we were asked to do medicals for kids and chest xrays for myself and hubby. Did them and they have also been submitted .
Just wondering what is the next stage ? Does anyone know how long it will take from now for the visas to be approved?
Do they ask for anything else? We have submitted the police cert and IELTS english exams too.
Any advice or info? Thanks

unless it's the new thing you don't need police cert or medicals for a 457, are you using an agent?

geoion · 09-04-2015 5:32pm

catbear wrote: »

unless it's the new thing you don't need police cert or medicals for a 457, are you using an agent?

Yes we are using an agent. All the paper work was submitted plus our medicals. I am wondering now how long does it take for approvals? Are there any other requirements from the immi?

geoion · 09-04-2015 5:33pm

catbear wrote: »

unless it's the new thing you don't need police cert or medicals for a 457, are you using an agent?

Yes we are using an agent. All the paper work was submitted plus our medicals.It was required from the Dept of immi. I am wondering now how long does it take for approvals? Are there any other requirements from the immi?

catbear · 09-04-2015 6:20pm

When we applied directly through IMMI for a 457 without needing police clearance and medicals. We just needed an employment contract from a sponsor paying industry rates and the role being on an approved on the skills list. English proficiency wasn't mentioned either.

Any chance you could be mistaking the type of visa you've applied for?

snakeeyes2007 · 09-04-2015 6:27pm

It must be A long time since you got your 457.
you have to have police cert,and chest xrays.I am doing my 457 at the min.

geoion · 09-04-2015 6:31pm

catbear wrote: »

When we applied directly through IMMI for a 457 without needing police clearance and medicals. We just needed an employment contract from a sponsor paying industry rates and the role being on an approved on the skills list. English proficiency wasn't mentioned either.

Any chance you could be mistaking the type of visa you've applied for?

No I am not mistaking the visa as I am still in the process of it. We have submitted the paper work nearly 4 weeks ago and the two things that were asked with the papers were POLICE CERT and IELTS EXAM. And about 10 days ago were asked to get medicals and chest xrays done.

snakeeyes2007 · 09-04-2015 6:36pm

geoion wrote: »

No I am not mistaking the visa as I am still in the process of it. We have submitted the paper work nearly 4 weeks ago and the two things that were asked with the papers were POLICE CERT and IELTS EXAM. And about 10 days ago were asked to get medicals and chest xrays done.

Its on the 457 check list.you do have to have police cert.and chest xrays.

snakeeyes2007 · 09-04-2015 6:49pm

snakeeyes2007 wrote: »

Its on the 457 check list.you do have to have police cert.and chest xrays.

What is the cost of chest xrays in sydney.would you know.thanks??

geoion · 09-04-2015 7:43pm

I dont know the cost as we did our in London

catbear · 09-04-2015 10:56pm

Nothing about police clearance or medical here:
http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/checklists/457-applicant.aspx

/V\etalfish · 10-04-2015 4:40am

I got my 457 8 weeks ago, and we didn't need a medical nor police cert.
I did have health insurance with work previously and I was required (company policy) to have health insurance for the duration of the visa here.
Maybe that has something to do with the medical/x-rays not being needed?

mandrake04 · 10-04-2015 5:10am

If you are from a low risk country like Ireland X-rays & Medicals are only if you intend working in a medical field, Hospitals, with old People or Children.

http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/health-requirements/health-exam.htm

You don't need Police certs or IELTS either, if you did it would state on Requirements on Immigration website.

http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/checklists/457-applicant.aspx

bestleftfull3 · 15-04-2015 12:48am

Can anyone confirm if there is a minimum salary you must be on to gain a 457?

Also, is there a difference between a 457 and an employer sponsorship or are these the same?

ArseBurger · 15-04-2015 1:01am

There isn't a minimum salary to be on to get a 457. There is a minimum salary that a role needs to have to be eligible to be on the CSOL. (however, this effectively means it is the minimum salary)

https://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/increase-income-threshold.htm

You can only get a 457 if being sponsored by an employer.

bestleftfull3 · 15-04-2015 1:50am

ArseBurger wrote: »

There isn't a minimum salary to be on to get a 457. There is a minimum salary that a role needs to have to be eligible to be on the CSOL. (however, this effectively means it is the minimum salary)

https://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/increase-income-threshold.htm

You can only get a 457 if being sponsored by an employer.

So if my position for example is on the list and salary doesn't meet the minimum would there be any issues? does there have to be proof shown that I am been paid the minimum?

ArseBurger · 15-04-2015 2:07am

The employer needs to show how much your salary will be when applying for the 457.

Batgurl · 15-04-2015 2:10am

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

So if my position for example is on the list and salary doesn't meet the minimum would there be any issues? does there have to be proof shown that I am been paid the minimum?

Yes and yes.

The issue being that the company could be seen to be undercutting local workers.

A copy of your contract, including salary, needs to be submitted with a 457 visa application.

Currently min salary is circa $55k although this figure increases most years on July 1.

Mellor · 15-04-2015 2:13am

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

So if my position for example is on the list and salary doesn't meet the minimum would there be any issues? does there have to be proof shown that I am been paid the minimum?

If your salary is below the minimum, then you don't qualify for a 457.

mandrake04 · 15-04-2015 7:37am

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

So if my position for example is on the list and salary doesn't meet the minimum would there be any issues?

Definitely

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/liberals-tighten-checks-on-457-visas/story-fn9hm1gu-1227267088406

bestleftfull3 · 16-04-2015 3:05am

Thank s!!are there any other options? My girlfriends job is on the CSOL but the hospital won't sponsor her which is strange due to funding is there anyway she can sponsor herself?

ArseBurger · 16-04-2015 3:31am

A lot of places won't sponsor because they see it as hassle. Same in Ireland and most countries that I've worked in.

You can only sponsor yourself if you set up a company and then hire yourself against the CSOL. To do this the company would need to comply with the rules for sponsoring under a 457.

Effectively, there are no short cuts.

bestleftfull3 · 16-04-2015 4:11am

serious pain in the ass ! Royal Melbourne hospital one of the main ones can't for out a couple of thousand for sponsorship ! such an effort moving all the time! were going to come back and try the alfred early next year

Mellor · 16-04-2015 5:41am

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

serious pain in the ass ! Royal Melbourne hospital one of the main ones can't for out a couple of thousand for sponsorship !

Are you actually surprised by that?
It's not a free process, hospitals are constantly struggling with funding. I wouldn't imagine it would be easy to drum up a few thousand unless they are really struggling to fill the role.

Batgurl · 16-04-2015 5:43am

It's not just forking out a couple of thousand. They need to meet other requirements such as spending a certain percentage of total payroll on training and upskilling Australian workers. They also need to prove they can't find an Australian to do they job and that they tried to. They would also be responsible for your flights home so that's another liability they would assume.

It's not always black and white unfortunately.

mandrake04 · 16-04-2015 6:28am

I work in the medical industry, I know loads of people from Ireland & UK sponsored on ENS and some 457s. Radiologists, Nurses, Scientists, Doctors and Engineers. some have all paid for including Visas, flights, startup rent, relocation expenses.

If you are required it's no problem end of story.

A sense of entitlement is not enough to get a visa to stay because you want.

TSMIT is too low anyway $54K is only monkey feed , for skilled threshold it should be up around $65K+ but I suppose that would kill the 457 for the likes of filling needed places in farming & hospality in rural areas as these tend to pay crap wages.

bestleftfull3 · 16-04-2015 6:35am

Mellor wrote: »

Are you actually surprised by that?
It's not a free process, hospitals are constantly struggling with funding. I wouldn't imagine it would be easy to drum up a few thousand unless they are really struggling to fill the role.

oh no not surprised they took her on, on a 6 month position with a view to permanency taking their word unfortunately got nothing in writing off them and then they dropped it on us with 5 weeks left in her contract!

bestleftfull3 · 16-04-2015 6:41am

mandrake04 wrote: »

I work in the medical industry, I know loads of people from Ireland & UK sponsored on ENS and some 457s. Radiologists, Nurses, Scientists, Doctors and Engineers. some have all paid for including Visas, flights, startup rent, relocation expenses.

If you are required it's no problem end of story.

A sense of entitlement is not enough to get a visa to stay because you want.

TSMIT is too low anyway $54K is only monkey feed , for skilled threshold it should be up around $65K+ but I suppose that would kill the 457 for the likes of filling needed places in farming & hospality in rural areas as these tend to pay crap wages.

Yeah I also think Pharmacy Technician (her qualification) does not even meet the threshold!!

Mellor · 16-04-2015 7:58am

mandrake04 wrote: »

TSMIT is too low anyway $54K is only monkey feed , for skilled threshold it should be up around $65K+ but I suppose that would kill the 457 for the likes of filling needed places in farming & hospality in rural areas as these tend to pay crap wages.

Yeah, a blanket threshold for all positions makes little sense. As all occupations aren't close to being on equivalent pay grades.

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

oh no not surprised they took her on, on a 6 month position with a view to permanency taking their word unfortunately got nothing in writing off them and then they dropped it on us with 5 weeks left in her contract!

A view to a permanent position isn't the same as a view to sponsorship.

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

Yeah I also think Pharmacy Technician (her qualification) does not even meet the threshold!!

Pharmacy Technician is on the CSOL. So the qualification is eligible.
Whether the salary is, is a different matter.

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