P2P (Bittorrent etc) configuration & use discussion...ongoing (Only place to post!)

moonboy52 · 10-06-2009 4:02pm

also try http://www.opendns.com/ if you want to use a different DNS

Jackinkul · 10-06-2009 6:26pm

Hi,

I recently signed up for NTL 10MB broadband and am using the Scientific Atlanta router.

I find I'm rarely getting the upload I'm supposed to have when torrenting with private tracker sites. So the big improvements in my ratio at my favourite sites I was expecting hasn't materialised :-(.

I'm using utorrent and am connectable. Occasionally I get 100KB upload but most of the time it's more like 20KB! - especially during office hours, though no consistent pattern is obvious to me - less even than I was getting on eircom.

Changing the preference settings in utorrent in respect of encryption, etc. doesn't seem to make any difference.

I'm sure other NTL customers must have encountered the same problem. I would be grateful if you could pass on any ways to improve the upload performance in utorrent you've come up with.

Thanking you.

PS I was redirected here from a now-closed separate thread I began. The information I want may be somewhere in the 44 pages of this thread. I think, however, it might be helpful if someone familiar with it could summarise the best advice offered not just for me but for the predictable line of new NTL customers behind me.

Jackinkul · 13-06-2009 1:12pm

Excuse the double post, but it's been a while.

I think the fact is that people like me who predominently use private tracker sites and are hoping to get a big lift in their ratios from NTL's advertised 1-1.5 MB upload on their 10-20 MB packages are going to be sadly disapointed.

You only get c20 KBs upload due to their traffic shaping policies for most of the time. (I stay up late, so I've seen it's performance at all hours.) You'd be better off NOT switching from you current supplier.

The good download speeds NTL offer suggest use of Usenet, etc., but that involves extra expense.

If you're boasting to your friends about the great upload you're going to get on an NTL package, you'll end up having to rent seedbox time to disguise the crappy upload performance you're actually getting. Be warned!

I Married A Kulchie!

Zenith74 · 15-06-2009 9:09am

Jackinkul - What router did you get from UPC? As per my post a few pages back I moved house and went from EsatBT to UPC. I had all the ports open and knew there wasn't a problem with my PC as it was doing 700kb/s when on EsatBT. On UPC I was only getting 20-50 down and similar up.
Last week I disabled just about everything on the UPC Cisco in terms of uPNP, firewall etc etc. I also did the TCP session change on my PC though that made no difference last time. Anyway I can now upload at 70k solid and am downloading regularly from 500-700k though it peaked at 1000k yesterday evening. Unfortunately I made a few changes at once so don't know what did it, but I'm pretty sure it was all the settings on the Cisco to be honest.

Jackinkul · 16-06-2009 1:35am

As far as I can tell, the only thing stopping me from getting the 1 MB upload NTL advertised is NTL's traffic shaping policy. When they relax it my upload can go up to 1.1 MB, so my configuration isn't preventing me, it's NTL themselves.

They say they're keeping their policy under review. More of their customers need to post on sites about their dissatisfaction, warning potential customers about NTL. That's the only thing will make them think. They have me locked into a 1 year contract, so they know I'm not going anywhere. I only wish I'd known in advance.

dunworth1 · 16-06-2009 1:54am

upc only throttle until midnight

Mmcd · 16-06-2009 2:01am

For anyone thats having trouble with throttling you could try this https://www.furk.net/

Furk is not your regular torrent site. Not only does it function as a meta-search engine, but you can also download ‘torrents’ via Furk’s servers using HTTP. And it doesn’t stop there. Furk holds these downloads in a searchable database that anyone can use, turning the site into a kind of mashup between BitTorrent and Rapidshare.

FurkIn the regular BitTorrent downloading scenario we would go to a torrent site such as The Pirate Bay or Mininova, select a torrent and download it. Once that torrent starts running in our client, connections are made to other people using the same technique and the content is downloaded and shared with and via those ‘peers’.

This type of file-sharing is very effective - indeed, it’s what BitTorrent is all about. However, there are those who would prefer to stop or hinder such P2P traffic - certain ISPs take measures to identify BitTorrent protocol traffic and slow it down with a process known as ‘throttling’.

While Furk can simply be used as a torrent meta-search engine to trawl other sites for .torrent files, to combat throttling (and privacy concerns) Furk bills part of its service as a ‘BitTorrent Proxy’. This means that instead of searching for a torrent file and downloading in the usual manner via the BitTorrent protocol, instead Furk itself joins the swarm in question and downloads the material directly to their own servers.

Once completed, users can simply download that material directly from Furk’s super-fast network using the HTTP protocol in their regular web browser. Identical to standard web traffic, HTTP generally isn’t throttled by ISPs, allowing the user to download more quickly than with throttled BitTorrent. In the less likely event that an ISP tries to slow down HTTP, downloads can be made from Furk using HTTPs.

“By default all links are HTTPs,” Furk admin told TorrentFreak. “It helps to avoid content filtering systems and increase the level of anonymity. Also for every link the user can choose an alternative link with a non-standard port.” This element of the service is only available to premium users at a few euros per month but free users can still have fun with Furk.

It’s also possible to upload your own files and videos to the service, but Furk has another much more interesting trick up its sleeve - and it’s available to non-premium users. Instead of just keeping the content on their servers for material requested by you, Furk keeps the content requested by everyone. This means that Furk has a growing database of material culled from torrent sites, but offered via direct and immediate HTTP download. A search for ‘aXXo’ shows hundreds of releases, mostly available for direct download. Think of it like Rapidshare, but with a BitTorrent backend.

“Speed for premium users is unlimited. All of the servers are on a 1Gps network and we have plenty of unused bandwidth,” Furk admin told TorrentFreak. “Free downloads are currently limited only by restricting the number of download sessions, so download managers can be used only with premium accounts.”

However, even with no premium account, some impressive speeds can be achieved. We managed decent transfers from The Netherlands, Russia and the US, before finally maxing out a 20mbit Hungarian connection. It remains to be seen if these speeds can be maintained once the masses start hitting the service - probably not, since there needs to be something to draw users to the premium service, but time will tell.

http://torrentfreak.com/furk-the-direct-download-bittorrent-proxy-090615/

Zenith74 · 16-06-2009 9:27am

dunworth1 - That certainly hasn't been my experience, speeds are pretty consistent. But then they may be doing it different in certain areas.

Jackinkul - Roughly where are you in Dublin? I am completely maxxing out my upload all day on UPC, the graph in uTorrent shows a practially straight line on the upload. Again they might be doing it different by area, depending on how busy an area is. Having said that I was 100% convinced config wasn't my problem (I work in the IT industry dealing with stuff like this regularly), until I found out it was

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Donimo · 16-06-2009 10:06am

Zenith74 wrote: »

I am completely maxxing out my upload all day on UPC, the graph in uTorrent shows a practially straight line on the upload. <...snip...> Having said that I was 100% convinced config wasn't my problem (I work in the IT industry dealing with stuff like this regularly), until I found out it was .

Zenith74, could you tell us what actual upload speed you are achieving, and would you mind sharing what configuration issue you discovered?

Thanks,
Donimo

Zenith74 · 16-06-2009 10:13am

Zenith74 wrote: »

Anyway I can now upload at 70k solid and am downloading regularly from 500-700k though it peaked at 1000k yesterday evening.

I'll get some screen prints from uTorrent tonight. I have the upload limited to 70k to stop it flooding the connection so I'm not sure what it would peak at if let run wild.

As I said above I didn't write down the changes I made unfortunately. I made the change to the max TCP sessions from 10 to 50 (Google for this for more info) but don't believe that was the problem as it was not needed with this PC when I was on EsatBT. The next thing I did was disable as much as possible on the Cisco UPC supplied. I turned off the firewall, uPNP etc etc. Before that I was seeing an average of about 50k downloads with an absolute max of 200k for a few seconds one night. Downloads now tend to stay between 300-500k but on good torrents regularly go to 700-800, and as I say peaked at 1000k the other night for a few minutes. None of this happens after midnight as I generally turn the PC off at night.

Donimo · 16-06-2009 10:17am

Ok, cool, thanks. I also rate-limit my upload to around 80KB and I can flat-line that.

I'm using a Netgear router, and it seems to be performing OK. I must check how it looks after midnight.

Donimo

Jackinkul · 16-06-2009 12:46pm

It's interesting that yesterday for the first time since I became an NTL customer they removed shaping on bittorrent traffic. (It's back to 20-30 KB upload again today.) And what happens? Mr Zenith is "flatlining"! Even has screenshots to prove it. And notice how quickly him and Mr Domino saw eye to eye.

The truth is that NTL's stooges don't want ordinary customers letting potential customers know just how crappy the upload for torrent traffic they offer is. That there is some kind of configurational fix is just bull to encourage the unwitting to sign up thinking that the complainers like me are just technical eegits who unlike them can't sort things out.

Let's here from some real NTL customers about your actual experience of the upload you get from NTL. If you complain on forums like this and warn off potential NTL customers, then you stand the best chance of changing NTL's traffic shaping policy within the lifetime of the contract you're locked into.

jor el · 16-06-2009 1:05pm

If you have some sort of proof that either Zenith74 or Donimo are NTL "stooges" then let's have it, otherwise stick to facts. I see nothing that suggests a link to each other, or to UPC (any more than your own link to UPC as a customer), so stop the conspiracy theory crap right there.

el dude · 16-06-2009 2:27pm

I never have a problem maxing out my connection(up or down) and i'm with UPS also. I did get a nice letter in the door asking me to go easy on the ol' traffic. Guess when they say unlimited what they really mean is 250gb monthly allowance. Tight bastards.

Dboy85 · 16-06-2009 2:30pm

I top out @ 80kb/s but i'm on a public tracker...anyone want to p.m me an invitation for a private one? Like TL or even recommend me one better thats not nigh impossible to get on to. It would be nice to share my collection with grateful people instead of Thief leechers:mad:
Whats the story with UPC and filesharing? Are they blockin sites or takin ip's or such?

el dude · 16-06-2009 2:30pm

Jackinkul wrote: »

It's interesting that yesterday for the first time since I became an NTL customer they removed shaping on bittorrent traffic. (It's back to 20-30 KB upload again today.) And what happens? Mr Zenith is "flatlining"! Even has screenshots to prove it. And notice how quickly him and Mr Domino saw eye to eye.

The truth is that NTL's stooges don't want ordinary customers letting potential customers know just how crappy the upload for torrent traffic they offer is. That there is some kind of configurational fix is just bull to encourage the unwitting to sign up thinking that the complainers like me are just technical eegits who unlike them can't sort things out.

Let's here from some real NTL customers about your actual experience of the upload you get from NTL. If you complain on forums like this and warn off potential NTL customers, then you stand the best chance of changing NTL's traffic shaping policy within the lifetime of the contract you're locked into.

Wow, your not a happy bunny eh? Not to be patronising or anything but you do know that to max out your upload you'll need a good few people leeching on the other end right? No point jumping on a torrent if there's no-one leeching.

Jackinkul · 16-06-2009 8:05pm

Subsequent to my post earlier today, NTL turned on the upload tap again. The same torrents were being leeched from me by the same leechers before and after noon. Only difference was that NTL swiched off their traffic shaping - no changes in my configuration whatsoever - and upload shot up.

Internet users boast about the speed of their internet connection the way car users show off their fancy cars. But the person who has bought a fancy car that turns out to be jalopy is the last person you'll hear the truth from. He has invested too much in it. NTL relies on those they have tricked with promises of 1-1.5 MB upload keeping stum. My point is that it's actually in your interest to be get the real facts out there.

The last two days have seen me, untypically, getting my promised 1 MB. Could they following this thread? (Or is that a conspiracy theory? And how would you prove it?)

Dboy85 · 16-06-2009 8:18pm

Jackinkul wrote: »

Could they following this thread? (Or is that a conspiracy theory? And how would you prove it?)

:pac: deadly

markopantelic · 16-06-2009 8:26pm

hi how do i get emule to run fast

16-06-2009 10:27pm

markopantelic wrote: »

hi how do i get emule to run fast

By plugging out your computer and router and hoping, really hoping that irma, the riaa and mpaa dont bother to contact your isp regarding your ip address having been logged downloading pirated movies and music on one of the most insecure p2p applications still running.

...also move to china :eek:

16-06-2009 10:38pm

Jackinkul wrote: »

Subsequent to my post earlier today, NTL turned on the upload tap again. The same torrents were being leeched from me by the same leechers before and after noon. Only difference was that NTL swiched off their traffic shaping - no changes in my configuration whatsoever - and upload shot up.

Internet users boast about the speed of their internet connection the way car users show off their fancy cars. But the person who has bought a fancy car that turns out to be jalopy is the last person you'll hear the truth from. He has invested too much in it. NTL relies on those they have tricked with promises of 1-1.5 MB upload keeping stum. My point is that it's actually in your interest to be get the real facts out there.

The last two days have seen me, untypically, getting my promised 1 MB. Could they following this thread? (Or is that a conspiracy theory? And how would you prove it?)

Wow! Do you know how many connection variables are at play and in constant flux while you are watching, waiting for your upload to improve?
Consider wireless interference, quality of the node at your house/appartment, overloading of the local hub, and most likely of all is poor peering with the isps you are trying to upload too(check out the inex peering list for a general idea of how poorly upc are peered with local isp's then apply that to european isp's also and you can forget about the majority of us/asian isp's). Transit costs are still too high in europe and too many carriers are non-neutral.
Many have no idea of the complexity behind why they cant personally achieve there full upload speed.

dunworth1 · 16-06-2009 10:46pm

Jackinkul wrote: »

Subsequent to my post earlier today, NTL turned on the upload tap again. The same torrents were being leeched from me by the same leechers before and after noon. Only difference was that NTL swiched off their traffic shaping - no changes in my configuration whatsoever - and upload shot up.

Internet users boast about the speed of their internet connection the way car users show off their fancy cars. But the person who has bought a fancy car that turns out to be jalopy is the last person you'll hear the truth from. He has invested too much in it. NTL relies on those they have tricked with promises of 1-1.5 MB upload keeping stum. My point is that it's actually in your interest to be get the real facts out there.

The last two days have seen me, untypically, getting my promised 1 MB. Could they following this thread? (Or is that a conspiracy theory? And how would you prove it?)

if they are following this thread how would they know who you are to turn off there throttling of p2p

the only reason they throttle is because if they didnt some people would abuse it and download 24/7 at the max speed and then ordinary internet users would have their internet slowed down

jor el · 16-06-2009 11:40pm

Jackinkul wrote: »

The last two days have seen me, untypically, getting my promised 1 MB. Could they following this thread? (Or is that a conspiracy theory? And how would you prove it?)

And how exactly would they link Jackinkul with a UPC account holder? Why would they waste time following this thread? Why would they care if you're unhappy about your P2P upload speed, when P2P is a big problem for them and they'd rather you didn't do it? It's not a conspiracy theory, it's just daft.

Zenith74 · 17-06-2009 8:05am

It's interesting that yesterday for the first time since I became an NTL customer they removed shaping on bittorrent traffic. (It's back to 20-30 KB upload again today.) And what happens? Mr Zenith is "flatlining"! Even has screenshots to prove it. And notice how quickly him and Mr Domino saw eye to eye.

The truth is that NTL's stooges don't want ordinary customers letting potential customers know just how crappy the upload for torrent traffic they offer is. That there is some kind of configurational fix is just bull to encourage the unwitting to sign up thinking that the complainers like me are just technical eegits who unlike them can't sort things out.

LOL. Yep I joined up here in 2003 with this particular thread in mind. I've spent the last 6 years randomly posting on here (often about the fact that I was on Eircom and Esat BB and even the small IT firm I work for) just to catch you out today, what can I say, NTL plan that far ahead to give the great customer service they are famous for! I'm not even annoyed, this is hilarious

. Any thoughts on the moon landings?

Jackinkul · 17-06-2009 3:59pm

I do suspect you may be using a seedbox located on the moon. Also,what kind of a fancy car do you drive?

For the record, my UPC 10 MB dl/1 MB ul subscription gave me an average upload of 13 KBs so far today.

If you're thinking of switching to UPC to get better upload for torrenting, pause and think again.

Donimo · 17-06-2009 4:08pm

Jackinkul wrote: »

If you're thinking of switching to UPC to get better upload for torrenting, pause and think again.

I agree. I moved from BT (LLU) broadband where I had an 11Mb line, to the UPC 10Mb product, and the performance is awful in comparison. There is no doubt that UPC are fiddling with bittorrent.

Donimo

Jackinkul · 17-06-2009 4:24pm

Can I say I'm not down on UPC. I found the service they offered me to be excellent. They went out of their way to solve a problem I presented them with. It's just I thought with 1 Mb upload I'd be able to build up ratio on private tracker sites I had difficulty joining in with up till now. So I'm dissapointed. I wish i could have looked to a site like boards.ie to learn this before i signed up to an one year contract. Had i known i would have waited to see what else was coming along.

I may have been rash in talking about 'stooges', but my heart is in the right place. If you're big into private tracker sites like me, UPC with their present traffic shaping policies is not the one for you.

Zenith74 · 17-06-2009 6:37pm

I'm actually pretty much in agreement with you here Jackinkul. If you go back a few pages you'll notive I actually started a thread to try and get people talking and giving decent feedback as to whether UPC are throttling or not. Unfortunately the mod moved it into this thread. There is lots of basically **** in this thread about people's misconfiguration blah blah blah, but we're not really getting any closer to the real answer. Had I come on here and seen a thread that said UPC throttled BT traffic you can be damn sure I would not have gone with them as it's pretty much all I use the Internet for, so I agree with you here for sure.

As I said I work in IT so in typical IT geek arrogance

I assumed I couldn't have any misconfiguration, especially considering the exact same PC maxxed out my previous EsatBT regularly. So I started my rant on here and was trying to see if more people had the same problem or we could categorically say UPC are throttling before I rang up. One evening I decided to start messign with the UPC firewall and my PC to see if I could squeeze some more juice from the connection, and now I'm getting 10+ times the speeds I was getting before. I figured I owed it to UPC to come back on here and post this. Whether they are doing some sort of throttling I don't know, in theory I should be seeing 1Mb/s downloads but it's pretty rare, so maybe they are. But to me 500-700k/s is enough to make it bareable at the price.

For reference here are my Cisco EPC2425 changes, all unmentioned settings are left as default. I have no idea if this is what sorted my problem, but I suspect it was -
Setup>Advanced Settings>Options
WAN Blocking DISABLED
UPnP Enable DISABLED
Setup>Firewall>Options
All options in here DISABLED

I'm using port 21 in uTorrent, UPNP disabled, upload limited to 75k, max connections 800, peers per torrent 100, upload slots per torrent 10, Encryption enabled but not enforced, DHT enabled, max active torrents 5, mac active downloads 5, bt.connect_speed 10, net.max_halfopen 4.

I've been home about an hour and a half. Since I turned on the PC my upload went to 75 and is almost a straight line except for a small dip. Dowload is hovering around 160k but I'm on smoe poor torrents that have been like that for a while. A few days ago I downloaded a 2.95G torrent in 108 minutes, which is an average of about 475Kb/s. That was while 3 other torrents were downloading as well. So again not the 1Mb/s I would expect on Eircom or Esat 10MB DSL for sure, but good enough for me!

Jackinkul · 17-06-2009 9:08pm

Problem is Zenith74, it doesn't make sence to me how any of these settings changes can get around UPC's traffic shaping. If it was possible to make your torrent traffic appear to be something other than torrent traffic, perhaps, but settings changes won't do that.

Simple advice is: avoid UPC's crappy traffic sharing policy by not becoming a UPC customer. Other IPCs don't do this.

Steve X2 · 18-06-2009 3:32am

I'm going to start twittering my experiences with UPC and torrents etc. I will just do quick basic updates with current speed and settings and stuff like that.

It might help people get a more or less real-time idea as to the current network speed for torrents in Dublin at least. If you use twitter then you can follow me and maybe post me your own speeds or issues and what area you are in and I can re-twitter them so we have a central listing of it all.

Maybe it’s completely pointless to do this or maybe it might help some people out, only time will tell.

I’m fairly technical so I might be able to help people out with settings and stuff like that.

I'm working on a script to auto pull the info from utorrent and post it to twitter but haven't got it working 100 percent just yet.

Also, don’t worry. I won’t be twittering about how my day went or what I had for breakfast or any of that type of stuff. I set this twitter account up just for the UPC torrent info

http://twitter.com/NTLUPCtorrents

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Zenith74 · 18-06-2009 10:16am

Jackinkul - There's nothing to say they actually are traffic shaping, they claim not to be. You're absolutely right, there is NO way those changes I made would get around traffic shaping. About the only things I have setup that could are traffic encryption and using port 21, but on the encryption I see decent speeds from encrypted and non-encrypted peers so that isn't doing anything, and using port 21 shouldn't get around anything but the most basic traffic shaping (ie. specific port limiting), again not likely.

So what I'm saying is I'm not sure if they are traffic shaping at all. If you have a look back through this thread you'll see a number of people posting to say they are getting full speed BT downloads on UPC, and I'm not too far off full speed either (considering contention etc.).

This is why I wanted to start a seperate thread on UPC specifically so we could get people on who weren't having speed issues on UPC, which would indicate that UPC are either not shaping or are only doing it to certain people. We could have got a more definitive answer, but the mods on here are unfortunately keen to jam new threads into these basically useless mega threads without checking the merit of a seperate thread first.

Steve X2 · 18-06-2009 3:15pm

I ran this test months ago and also this morning and it says that they are indeed shaping my torrent traffic in some way.
Ok, just ran the test a few mins ago again and it says they are not shaping my download traffic at the moment but are indeed shaping upload traffic.

Maybe check it out and share your results here.

The web page doesn't love firefox much, run the test with Internet Explorer and it should work.

http://broadband.mpi-sws.org/transparency/bttest.php

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Zenith74 · 18-06-2009 3:18pm

To be honest smcgarr I'm not sure how reliable that test is, they even say themselves it is only best guess. I was running it while I was having speed issues and it was reporting different things each time it was run. At one point I was getting practically no bt traffic download but maxing out the upload, yet that test reported no shaping of download but shaping of upload - the complete opposite to how things looked to me. So I'm a bit skeptical of it.

Steve X2 · 18-06-2009 3:36pm

Zenith74 wrote: »

To be honest smcgarr I'm not sure how reliable that test is, they even say themselves it is only best guess. I was running it while I was having speed issues and it was reporting different things each time it was run. At one point I was getting practically no bt traffic download but maxing out the upload, yet that test reported no shaping of download but shaping of upload - the complete opposite to how things looked to me. So I'm a bit skeptical of it.

Yeah, you could be right. Its worth a look though as lifehacker.com seemed to like it a while back in some tests they did. But your right , its not 100 percent by any means.

I've been searching for an actual tool to download and test out the connection for shaping etc but have yet to find one that actually works.

Zenith74 · 18-06-2009 4:38pm

That was the only tester I could find, probably because writing one is difficult to do well.

What router have you got? Did you look through your Windows event logs to make sure there are no TCP events?

Steve X2 · 18-06-2009 4:56pm

Zenith74 wrote: »

That was the only tester I could find, probably because writing one is difficult to do well.

What router have you got? Did you look through your Windows event logs to make sure there are no TCP events?

I have a Linksys WRT54GS with the hacked DD-WRT firmware on it. No events in the windows log.
My system is configured fine as I've been doing this for years now. I also have a couple of systems running here. My main pc is connected to the router and that is connected to UPC. I have another one that is running directly connected to an IrishBroadband 2mb ripwave connection(dont ask, its for work). Its funny that if i hook up my main pc to the ripwave sometimes i get better speeds on that than on the 20mb upc connection.

In my opinion UPC are shaping traffic, much more than they used too. I've had a UPC/NTL BBand connection since they started doing it years ago and have lived in a few spots in dublin. Since they started offering the 10 and 20mb i have noticed that my torrents are slow most of the time. Sometimes they speed up to the max like this morning as i reported on my UPC twitter thing.
I wish the speeds could be better on torrents but can live with it i guess. I get full speed on everything else.

On a slightly different note, UPC upgraded me a few months ago to this hidden extreme bband option that costs a lot extra. I had been using it for work and was downloading about 300gb a month of non torrent stuff so i got the usual letter and then the "Upgrade". I have contacted UPC many times and was on hold for a long time and then waiting for call backs etc to find out what this extreme broadband was and what limits it had if any. I never found out anything and just gave up as life is too short to be waiting on UPC's crappy support people to get back to me.

One thing is for sure, the extreme option does not increase your broadband speed or have any less shaping going on. But they have never sent me a letter since complaining that i was downloading too much and i went close to 400gb one month.

Jackinkul · 18-06-2009 5:22pm

For the record, my UPC stats for the day:

utorrent: down 160 KB, up 9 KB
rapidshare premium: down 1012 KB, up 103 KB

If you want to make sure that protracted and tedious discussions about whether UPC are traffic shaping bittorrent traffic (and they are, drastically) are irrelevant to you, then don't switch to UPC. That's the way it should be. Keep this crap out of your life. Stay with your current supplier, wait and see what's coming along.

to you; me

. . . :mad: . . .

18-06-2009 6:11pm

Jackinkul wrote: »

For the record, my UPC stats for the day:

utorrent: down 160 KB, up 9 KB
rapidshare premium: down 1012 KB, up 103 KB

If you want to make sure that protracted and tedious discussions about whether UPC are traffic shaping bittorrent traffic (and they are, drastically) are irrelevant to you, then don't switch to UPC. That's the way it should be. Keep this crap out of your life. Stay with your current supplier, wait and see what's coming along. to you; me . . . :mad: . . .

well they sure as hell arent throttling my connection, i max out the ultra package (2.5-2.7Mb/s) every time i download no matter what time. That is on private trackers of course where a majority of peers are with high quality ISP's with tier 1 bandwidth. If your speed is as bad as quoted then you need to ring them and get an engineer round to check the node and cabling. Of course the only way you can do this is if you convince them that the speed is poor overall and not just on p2p apps. Download the following and see what speed you get http://tinyurl.com/mc5b4k and http://tinyurl.com/m3sb37

Jackinkul · 18-06-2009 9:11pm

There is nothing wrong with my connection or configuration. I get maximum performance using my rapidshare premium account.

A couple of days ago my upload for the same torrents being leeched by the same leechers went from little to max. Why? UPC turned off their traffic shaping.

The difficulty here is getting reliable information. Most UPC customers will have lied to their friends to hide their embarrasment at getting crap torrenting upload after boasting they were going to get 1-1.5 MB. How to get yourself out of a lie? Most tell another lie.

You know what, don't take my word for it. But don't sign up to a year long contract to find out for yourself. (You'll be like the lover who obsessed with knowing where his girlfriend disapeered to, feeling certain he knew the man responsible, and having begged this man to let him know what happened to her, woke up inside a coffin being buried alive when the man obliged!) Err on the side of caution.

18-06-2009 10:25pm

Jackinkul wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with my connection or configuration. I get maximum performance using my rapidshare premium account.

A couple of days ago my upload for the same torrents being leeched by the same leechers went from little to max. Why? UPC turned off their traffic shaping.

The difficulty here is getting reliable information. Most UPC customers will have lied to their friends to hide their embarrasment at getting crap torrenting upload after boasting they were going to get 1-1.5 MB. How to get yourself out of a lie? Most tell another lie.

You know what, don't take my word for it. But don't sign up to a year long contract to find out for yourself. (You'll be like the lover who obsessed with knowing where his girlfriend disapeered to, feeling certain he knew the man responsible, and having begged this man to let him know what happened to her, woke up inside a coffin being buried alive when the man obliged!) Err on the side of caution.

All are entitled to their opinion i guess. They must only be shaping upload though if i am to believe you becasue i can down torrents at full speed anytime of the day. I used a $20 seedbox for a month so have many terrabytes of buffer on all sites and have no need to upload from home...ever again.

calmoo · 18-06-2009 11:04pm

How come nearly every tracker in all my torrents say 'connection closed by peeer' in uTorrent? It's awful, I can barely get above 20kb/s. On UPC btw.

18-06-2009 11:12pm

calmoo wrote: »

How come nearly every tracker in all my torrents say 'connection closed by peeer' in uTorrent? It's awful, I can barely get above 20kb/s. On UPC btw.

what listening port are you using in utorrent? is encryption forced?

Steve X2 · 19-06-2009 12:18am

calmoo wrote: »

How come nearly every tracker in all my torrents say 'connection closed by peeer' in uTorrent? It's awful, I can barely get above 20kb/s. On UPC btw.

I get this a lot of the time as well. If I enable encryption in utorrent I dont get it as much. But even when it does come up if you shut down utorrent and wait 60 seconds and reload it you should be ok for a while. Not perfect by any means but it might help you a bit.
I find that if I am downloading 3-5 torrents at once it usually doesn't come up. But if i have 10 or so downloading at the same time i get it more often.

Dboy85 · 20-06-2009 1:58pm

david7536 wrote: »

what listening port are you using in utorrent? is encryption forced?

You seem to be gettin the config right...why dont you do a tutorial for upc ultra users and post it up! Granted there are variables like peers and trackers that come into play but shed us some light on your config and put us all out of our misery;)

Or post screens of your settings

Tea_Bag · 20-06-2009 2:01pm

Dboy85 wrote: »

You seem to be gettin the config right...why dont you do a tutorial for upc ultra users and post it up! Granted there are variables like peers and trackers that come into play but shed us some light on your config and put us all out of our misery;)

Or post screens of your settings

+1 im struggling here on 10mb to get some decent speeds. reconfigured utorrent a million times...

kaisersose77 · 20-06-2009 2:29pm

anyone know if it's possible to update a no-ip.org address with the Cisco EPC2425?

just see dyndns.com in the drop down list

20-06-2009 3:43pm

Dboy85 wrote: »

You seem to be gettin the config right...why dont you do a tutorial for upc ultra users and post it up! Granted there are variables like peers and trackers that come into play but shed us some light on your config and put us all out of our misery;)

Or post screens of your settings

Will do both tommorrow

Dboy85 · 20-06-2009 3:55pm

david7536 wrote: »

Will do both tommorrow

Your an auld topper so ya are:P

I'm having trouble with PTP tracker! "Connection closed by peer" in Utorrent. Anyone else get this? Is it the isp or am I paranoid cause I just got ultra in today

Dboy85 · 21-06-2009 12:40pm

Sorry for the double but I can confirm UPC's speed is second to none:eek: Just iron out a few kinks on your own end and its HAMMER time:pac: got speeds of 2.5mb/s there on a torrent! Cheers David!

Jackinkul · 21-06-2009 5:29pm

UPC drastically traffic shape torrent traffic.

My only interest in saying this is to prevent others from making the mistake I made by signing up to them. If you're not into torrenting, then UPC are fine. Otherwise, go elsewhere for your broadband service.

Don't be malicious. Let others learn from your mistakes. Get the word out. Torrenters should steer clear of UPC.

P2P (Bittorrent etc) configuration & use discussion...ongoing (Only place to post!)

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