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Satellite Dish,

  • 03-02-2014 6:15pm
    #1
    Droghead
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭


    Hi,

    I have a sat dish on the wall outside the house picking up UK Channels etc and have a saorview box for my rte channels...

    Since the high winds I have lost signal on tv from sat dish "NO Signal" is all it keeps reading... I tried re-scanning the satellite box but no joy, but me re-scanning has resulted now in no channels been stored which doesn't make it easy now when u are moving the sat dish as u have to keep scanning...

    I am wondering is there something which I could use that will tell me the right position for the dish to be moved to?? Not too expensive!!!


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  • #2
    Irish Stones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    You might want something like this
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Konig-Satfinder-Satellite-Installation-Tool/dp/B000M4FRSE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391447856&sr=8-1&keywords=satfinder
    or the same item with a compass to know that the satellite you are aiming to is the one you need
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Konig-Satfinder-Satellite-Installation-Kit/dp/B000VUN68W/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1391447856&sr=8-4&keywords=satfinder
    Or ony other similar item.


  • #3
    Droghead
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Droghead


    someone suggested something about connecting headphones to the Sat dish??? anyone know can this be done??


  • #4
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭swoofer


    use the signal meter in the sky box, go to services etc. You need a second person unless you can see box, you will know you are on astra 28east when you get a network lock.

    SIGNAL STRENGTH - Should be around half way or above

    SIGNAL QUALITY - Should be around half way or above

    LOCK INDICATOR - Should say OK

    NETWORK ID - Should say 0002

    TRANSPORT STREAM - Should say 07D4

    why headphones!!!


  • #5
    Droghead
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Droghead


    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    use the signal meter in the sky box, go to services etc. You need a second person unless you can see box, you will know you are on astra 28east when you get a network lock.

    SIGNAL STRENGTH - Should be around half way or above

    SIGNAL QUALITY - Should be around half way or above

    LOCK INDICATOR - Should say OK

    NETWORK ID - Should say 0002

    TRANSPORT STREAM - Should say 07D4

    why headphones!!!


    Sorry I don't have a sky box.. I have a freesat/regular satellite dish... not sure if I can still do as you suggest??


  • #6
    Gosub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Gosub


    Maybe someone near you might lend you a satfinder. I have one in Wexford if that's any good.


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  • #7
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Droghead wrote: »
    someone suggested something about connecting headphones to the Sat dish??? anyone know can this be done??

    Only if you want to listen in to your neighbours otherwise you require a signal meter or get someone to watch the signal meter on the sat box as you slowly and gently move your dish. The final option would be to get an installer in to do it.


  • #8
    Droghead
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Droghead


    Cheers all.... I will buy the Signal Meter and go down this route.... As I don't know the procedure to bring up and look at the signal meter on the sat box

    Hopefully we might have a wind free wend coming up as the last 3 between wind & rain it not an easy job to get up to sat dish...

    Thanks Again


  • #9
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭swoofer


    whats the make of the sat receiver? a signal meter can be a bind. as for a wind free evening, another warning for this evening and more on friday apparently. Is a satfinder any good? ie will it say the sat you are on, eg 28east? I'll google it as well.

    I use a FTA channel and move dish ever so slowly.


  • #10
    Gosub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Gosub


    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    whats the make of the sat receiver? a signal meter can be a bind. as for a wind free evening, another warning for this evening and more on friday apparently. Is a satfinder any good? ie will it say the sat you are on, eg 28east? I'll google it as well.

    I use a FTA channel and move dish ever so slowly.

    I have 2 sat finders, both came with cheap sat dish kits. One has a meter and the higher the needle goes, the better the signal. The other has a line of LEDs but these are of little use. The thing beeps when you're on a satellite. The more frantic the beep, the better the fix. This is handy because you don't need to look, just listen.

    Locating the right satellite is fairly easy. Look around and see where other sky dishes are pointing. When you get a fix on the meter, check the channels. There is a German(?) satellite fairly close to the freeview one. If all the channels are German you need to swing the dish a LITTLE to the left. It's only a few degrees.


  • #11
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Droghead wrote: »
    I will buy the Signal Meter and go down this route.... As I don't know the procedure to bring up and look at the signal meter on the sat box

    Also have a look at the cabling to the LNB on the dish as this poster did - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88824149#post88824149


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  • #12
    Droghead
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Droghead


    We have been up already and checked cables and definitely nothing loose... but thank you for your suggestion
    The Cush wrote: »
    Also have a look at the cabling to the LNB on the dish as this poster did - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88824149#post88824149


  • #13
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Moved to Satellite


  • #14
    Droghead
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Droghead


    Hi the receiver box I have is a Walker WP95sat-HD.. I have wiped all the channels off the box which has resulted now in me having to scan while I move the satellite.. is there any other way I can get a channel up on it so I don't need to scan whilst trying to find correct position of the satellite dish...


  • #15
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Droghead wrote: »
    Hi the receiver box I have is a Walker WP95sat-HD.. I have wiped all the channels off the box which has resulted now in me having to scan while I move the satellite.. is there any other way I can get a channel up on it so I don't need to scan whilst trying to find correct position of the satellite dish...

    I don't know the box but is there a way to select one of the stored frequencies in the tuning menu with the signal meter displayed on screen?


  • #16
    Droghead
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Droghead


    The Cush wrote: »
    I don't know the box but is there a way to select one of the stored frequencies in the tuning menu with the signal meter displayed on screen?


    If there is I don't know how to do it... I looked at the manual and it doesn't tell me anything about stored frequencies nor does it tell me know how to put the signal meter up on the screen...


  • #17
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Take the box to a friends house with a working dish and scan there. You will then know which channels are working.


  • #18
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭swoofer


    I wonder does box come with a pre -stored channel list and maybe a factory reset might bring them back. I looked on walker website and nothing there.

    tuning box with another dish is the way to go.


  • #19
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Droghead wrote: »
    Hi the receiver box I have is a Walker WP95sat-HD.. I have wiped all the channels off the box which has resulted now in me having to scan while I move the satellite.. is there any other way I can get a channel up on it so I don't need to scan whilst trying to find correct position of the satellite dish...

    Didn't find a manual for your box but I believe it is similar to the WP645 combi, minus the terrestrial part.

    The 'Installation' menu should have a 'Satellite Manual Scan' option that will enable you to bring up signal quality & level bars. First choose the right satellite: I'm not sure how the satellite names would appear in the menu but it would be one of the Astra satellites at 28.2 degrees east. Looks like a press of one of the colour buttons brings up a transponder (tp) list for the satellite (frequency, polarisation, symbol rate etc.).

    Look for this tp in the list or enter the parameters manually:
      Satellite: Astra whatever 28.2E
      DiSEqC: Doesn't matter
      Frequency: 10964
      Polarisation: Horizontal
      Symbol Rate: 22000
      Network Search: No (Doesn't matter just to get signal display.)
      Scan Encrypted: No

    P.20 of the combi manual.


  • #20
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭swoofer


    ok i have the manual now and yes u can do a manual scan and it has a signal meter, just give me a mo to have a read, its on page 13.


  • #21
    Droghead
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Droghead


    Ok I have manual in front of me and see it on page 13 as you suggested.. .so I just enter this information as told in earlier post
    • Satellite: Astra whatever 28.2E
    • DiSEqC: Doesn't matter
    • Frequency: 10964
    • Polarisation: Horizontal
    • Symbol Rate: 22000
    • Network Search: No (Doesn't matter just to get signal display.)
    • Scan Encrypted: No


    Can you explain what I do once I do this????

    Sorry & thanks ...

    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    ok i have the manual now and yes u can do a manual scan and it has a signal meter, just give me a mo to have a read, its on page 13.


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  • #22
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭swoofer


    Ok, its MENU, another menus appears, then arrow down to installation, another menu appears, arrow down to manual scan, press ok, now another menu opens, so

    1. change sat to astra 28east, using left or right arrows

    2. arrrow down to frequency, enter 10773, use keys on remote

    3. down to polarisation select H = horizontal, if its alread Horizontal leave it.

    4. arrow dwon to symbol rate. enter 22000 with remote keys.

    5. arrow down leave network search as no.

    6. arrow down change scan encrypted to NO.

    nb you may now see a signal in the meter it might show a reading under signal but nothing under quality but you never know.

    Now go to dish and have someone watch the readings. Check dish for tighness, ie if you cant move it easy by hand, undo a few bolts by a few turns, now move dish a tiny fraction and wait. You may have to do this either to the left or the right. Be patient. NB dont loosen those bolts too much. When you get a reading get quality as high as possible ie 75%. Once you have that press OK and box will scan that frequency and store it. Check its BBC1 and bobs your uncle. Now do an automatic scan and then check channels. Once happy tighten dish but go back to signal meter, see above, so you can watch if tightening bolts disturbs dish, dont over tighten.

    good luck and lastly MARK THE DISH position so after Fridays storm if dish moves you can just move it back.


  • #23
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭swoofer


    use my frequency as BBC1 has no ads and its strong.


  • #24
    Droghead
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Droghead


    Thank you so much.... will let you know the wend how we get on as too dark to do anything until the wend so hopefully weather and storms wont be too bad and we can get up the ladder....


    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    Ok, its MENU, another menus appears, then arrow down to installation, another menu appears, arrow down to manual scan, press ok, now another menu opens, so


  • #25
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    use my frequency as BBC1 has no ads and its strong.

    You mean because the DOG disappears during ad breaks? The satellite signal doesn't go anywhere.

    Worry about scanning for channels after the signal is peaked using the level/quality display.


  • #26
    macwal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭macwal


    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    Ok, its MENU, another menus appears, then arrow down to installation, another menu appears, arrow down to manual scan, press ok, now another menu opens, so

    1. change sat to astra 28east, using left or right arrows

    2. arrrow down to frequency, enter 10773, use keys on remote

    3. down to polarisation select H = horizontal, if its alread Horizontal leave it.

    4. arrow dwon to symbol rate. enter 22000 with remote keys.

    5. arrow down leave network search as no.

    6. arrow down change scan encrypted to NO.

    nb you may now see a signal in the meter it might show a reading under signal but nothing under quality but you never know.

    Now go to dish and have someone watch the readings. Check dish for tighness, ie if you cant move it easy by hand, undo a few bolts by a few turns, now move dish a tiny fraction and wait. You may have to do this either to the left or the right. Be patient. NB dont loosen those bolts too much. When you get a reading get quality as high as possible ie 75%. Once you have that press OK and box will scan that frequency and store it. Check its BBC1 and bobs your uncle. Now do an automatic scan and then check channels. Once happy tighten dish but go back to signal meter, see above, so you can watch if tightening bolts disturbs dish, dont over tighten.

    good luck and lastly MARK THE DISH position so after Fridays storm if dish moves you can just move it back.

    The same freq, pol, and symbol rate is used on 19E, a tp unique to 28E might have been a better idea. Or add directions if BBC1 isn't discovered, like rotate dish slightly left (as viewed from behind the dish) and down until next strong signal is encountered.


  • #27
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    macwal wrote: »
    The same freq, pol, and symbol rate is used on 19E, a tp unique to 28E might have been a better idea.

    If you're worried about 19E, the Eutelsat 28A tps would be the obvious choice, while this satellite is still broadcasting at 28E.

    Also just noticed that the Channel 5 tp I already suggested seems to be inactive at 19E ATM.


  • #28
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭swoofer


    that is a very good point and I was trying to keep it simple BUT if the OP sees this use

    10.847V.23000 BBC-HD and that is defenitely not on 19east or 23.5east.

    so best of luck


  • #29
    Droghead
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Droghead


    Just want a say big thank you for assisting me in this matter.. went home last night started to do a manual scan following instructions as suggested by GBCULLEN & PETER RHEA and whilst doing the tv went blank and came back on couple of seconds later with all Satellite channels with perfect picture... Not sure exactly what I did but there was no ladders or moving of Satellite involved...

    Thank you...


  • #30
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Droghead wrote: »
    .. went home last night started to do a manual scan

    ... whilst doing the tv went blank and came back on couple of seconds later with all Satellite channels with perfect picture... Not sure exactly what I did

    Maybe since your original scan the box had been on the wrong satellite? And step 1 of the manual scan procedure returned it to 28 east?

    Anyway, doesn't explain why 'no signal' problem originally occurred or why it has 'fixed' itself. Dish could still be slightly misaligned or damaged cable waiting to take in water again.


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  • #31
    Droghead
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Droghead


    Its picture perfect at the moment but that may all change when the winds return at the wend... but for the moment I have Television...

    Thanks
    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    Maybe since your original scan the box had been on the wrong satellite? And step 1 of the manual scan procedure returned it to 28 east?

    Anyway, doesn't explain why 'no signal' problem originally occurred or why it has 'fixed' itself. Dish could still be slightly misaligned or damaged cable waiting to take in water again.


  • #32
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭swoofer


    great stuff now mark that dish position if you get a chance as there is more wind on the way.

    What you should also do is check the signal strength and quality and see how high the readings are?


  • #33
    Lofty123
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭Lofty123


    Droghead wrote: »
    Just want a say big thank you for assisting me in this matter.. went home last night started to do a manual scan following instructions as suggested by GBCULLEN & PETER RHEA and whilst doing the tv went blank and came back on couple of seconds later with all Satellite channels with perfect picture... Not sure exactly what I did but there was no ladders or moving of Satellite involved...

    Thank you...

    Glad you didn't have to move the satellite, that could have been tricky! Very long ladder required.. Only Joking! :D;)


  • #34
    Josand
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Josand


    Hi we had to reset our dish. we managed to get the signal strength and quality right. But the numbers changed. Instead of 0002 we have 013e and instead of 07D4 we have 1450. Can anyone tell us how to get the right numbers back. Thank you.


  • #35
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    Josand wrote: »
    Hi we had to reset our dish. we managed to get the signal strength and quality right. But the numbers changed. Instead of 0002 we have 013e and instead of 07D4 we have 1450. Can anyone tell us how to get the right numbers back. Thank you.

    You have the dish pointing to Hotbird at 13° East. It will need to be moved to 28.2° East.


  • #36
    Josand
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Josand


    Thank you lertsnim. We have managed to move dish and pick up signal. Not the best we've had, but at least it
    is working again. I think we need to upgrade our equipment. Thanks for your help.


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  • #37
    Adamocovic
    Registered Users Posts: 9,292 ✭✭✭Adamocovic


    I know it is an old thread but I said I'd post my question here rather than make a new one...

    Anyway we've had a satellite dish for a few years picking up all the free view channels like bbc, itv, channel 4, e4 etc. Recently we've bought a new Sky dish and 4 port LNB. We installed it the same as the last dish and the same as the guide here.
    Unfortunately unlike the last dish when we did get it to good signal quality and strength it was only picking up Eastern European channels. None of the English speaking channels are being found in the scan.

    We have it pointing in the same direction as last time for Astra 28.2E and the LNB skewed to two as before but still no luck.
    Anyone have any ideas? Would the solution lie in the Antenna setup?
    Like should we change the LNB type, DiSEqC, DiSEqC switch, Positioner and Polarity. I'll admit I'm not too sure what the correct settings are for these.


  • #38
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Most likely you are picking up 19°E which shares some similar frequencies. You need to nudge the dish further east.


  • #39
    winston_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭winston_1


    Adamocovic wrote: »

    Anyway we've had a satellite dish for a few years picking up all the free view channels like bbc, itv, channel 4, e4 etc.

    You cannot pick up freeview on a dish. It is a UK terrestrial service. I assume you mean free to air satellite channels.


  • #40
    Adamocovic
    Registered Users Posts: 9,292 ✭✭✭Adamocovic


    winston_1 wrote: »
    You cannot pick up freeview on a dish. It is a UK terrestrial service. I assume you mean free to air satellite channels.

    Sorry meant free to air.
    Gerry Wicklow wrote:
    Most likely you are picking up 19°E which shares some similar frequencies. You need to nudge the dish further east.

    I'll give it a try later on and see what happens thanks.


  • #41
    Adamocovic
    Registered Users Posts: 9,292 ✭✭✭Adamocovic


    Well moved it a bit more east, did a factory reset on the receiver and when I rebooted its getting all the channels and signal quality is great, cheers!


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  • #42
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,529 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    any where in ireland selling selling transparent satellite dishes in ireland, i need one for an area where the sea salt eats away a normal one in no time. hoping to get soarsat and astra on it as well.


  • #43
    jjf1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭jjf1974


    irishgeo wrote: »
    any where in ireland selling selling transparent satellite dishes in ireland, i need one for an area where the sea salt eats away a normal one in no time. hoping to get soarsat and astra on it as well.

    Not sure what you mean by "transparent dish ".I have used Triax dishes in seaside areas of Connemara for a good few years, I found them to be very resistant to corrosion.To get Saorsat you will need an 80 cm dish. http://www.tvsatstore.com sell them, they also sell fibre glass ones.


  • #44
    amdaley28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭amdaley28


    irishgeo wrote: »
    any where in ireland selling selling transparent satellite dishes in ireland, i need one for an area where the sea salt eats away a normal one in no time. hoping to get soarsat and astra on it as well.

    You can get them in the UK but not heard of anyone over here selling them.
    You could try this http://www.satworld.ie/triax-td88.html


  • #45
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,529 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    i got soarsat and sky on a 65cm dish in the west of ireland.


  • #46
    jjf1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭jjf1974


    irishgeo wrote: »
    i got soarview and sky on a 65cm dish in the west of ireland.

    I seen an installer using a sky dish for Saorsat. Not sure how well it works in rain.


  • #47
    kooga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭kooga


    I'm using a triax td64 on the cork coast for astra 28


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