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kilburn · 21-11-2010 4:37pm #1

On another leisurely stroll from the Hunt museum to the O'Connell monument recently, i was struck yet again by the slum this city is turning into. Dont get me wrong I love Limerick and im proud to be from here but ffs will somebody please stand up and stop the rut.

The hole place is boarded up. One of those units on Patrick St looks like it is going to fall out onto the road and kill someone. Crap everywhere, Why dont the street cleaners work evenings?

The amount of beggars and junkies is unreal. We need to highlight this big time folks. Limerick has a very serious heroin problem, heroin addicts are the scum of the earth and need to be dealt with. They would cut your head off for a euro and our guards just seem to ignore them.

I saw a squad car pull up outside Supermacs and the guards went in for their grub and ignored the junkies hassling people ten feet away. This would not happen anywhere else! Why do we put up with it?

brousuka · 21-11-2010 5:10pm

The junkies and scobes begging on the streets seems to be an issue that does not want to be addressed by the powers that be in this city. Despite all the tourist marketing and websites that are initiated it just all goes down the drain when anyone walks the streets of Limerick at night - it's despicable, dangerous and needless. A couple of runs a night from a Garda people carrier should wind up all these individuals, take them to a holding centre, charge them and have them brought to justice.

daveob007 · 21-11-2010 5:13pm

kilburn wrote: »

On another leisurely stroll from the Hunt museum to the O'Connell monument recently, i was struck yet again by the slum this city is turning into. Dont get me wrong I love Limerick and im proud to be from here but ffs will somebody please stand up and stop the rut.

The hole place is boarded up. One of those units on Patrick St looks like it is going to fall out onto the road and kill someone. Crap everywhere, Why dont the street cleaners work evenings?

The amount of beggars and junkies is unreal. We need to highlight this big time folks. Limerick has a very serious heroin problem, heroin addicts are the scum of the earth and need to be dealt with. They would cut your head off for a euro and our guards just seem to ignore them. I see where you are coming from but to describe heroin addicts as the scum of the earth is wrong,,it's the drug dealers who get these people hooked who are the real scum,the junkies are victims of these scum who get addicted at a very young age.
They are stupid to get involved in drugs of any sort but when they move on to heroin or crack cocaine is when their lives become dedicated to getting the next fix and thats when they can be dangerous,,the addiction is so bad that they would do anything to anyone to get the money to pay the dealers for the drugs.
I don't know of any place in Limerick where these junkies can get help,maybe there is but if not then there should be.
It's the same as being an alcaholic or a gambler,,the money is needed for the habit and without help nothing can be done.
I would be afraid of them and cross the street if i see them but have some sympathy for them also.
The city centre is not policed enough either,you can walk through the whole town and never see a guard,this needs to be done also...

I saw a squad car pull up outside Supermacs and the guards went in for their grub and ignored the junkies hassling people ten feet away. This would not happen anywhere else! Why do we put up with it?

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Amazotheamazing · 21-11-2010 5:32pm

daveob007 wrote: »

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I don't know of any place in Limerick where these junkies can get help,maybe there is but if not then there should be.
It's the same as being an alcaholic or a gambler,,the money is needed for the habit and without help nothing can be done.

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There's a treatment clinic opening on Mungret street, afaik.

source · 21-11-2010 6:13pm

This comes up every few months and every few months i have to drag up the same old response, the problem with beggars is that there is no law against it.

About 3 years ago, a beggar in Dublin was arrested and prosecuted under the old vagrancy acts which outlawed begging on the street. This enterprising young man went to court saying that the law was unconstitutional as under the constitution he was entitled to make a living, and this was his only source of income. He also claimed that the Act breached his constitutional right to freedom of expression and his right to communicate. The high court held that the 19th century Act was indeed unconstitutional and repealed it.

This is why the Gardai you saw did nothing about the people begging. There is no power to do anything about begging on the street until the Government get the finger out and introduce proper anti begging laws.

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There are many places for drug addicts to get help in Limerick, such as Slainte, Aljeff, etc etc.... The problem is for these treatments to work the addict first has to want it to work, and most of them don't.

Kess73 · 21-11-2010 7:04pm

foinse wrote: »

This comes up every few months and every few months i have to drag up the same old response, the problem with beggars is that there is no law against it.

About 3 years ago, a beggar in Dublin was arrested and prosecuted under the old vagrancy acts which outlawed begging on the street. This enterprising young man went to court saying that the law was unconstitutional as under the constitution he was entitled to make a living, and this was his only source of income. He also claimed that the Act breached his constitutional right to freedom of expression and his right to communicate. The high court held that the 19th century Act was indeed unconstitutional and repealed it.

This is why the Gardai you saw did nothing about the people begging. There is no power to do anything about begging on the street until the Government get the finger out and introduce proper anti begging laws.

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There are many places for drug addicts to get help in Limerick, such as Slainte, Aljeff, etc etc.... The problem is for these treatments to work the addict first has to want it to work, and most of them don't.

But there are laws that deal with loitering and intimidation. So if a begger or junkie decides to set up camp sitting underneath an ATM or stays in the same spot by a shop entrance or eatery entrance, then the Gardai can move them on or charge them if they persist.

Also the beggers/junkies who get aggressive in their methods can be charged if they are witnessed being aggressive by the Gardai or if a person is willing to make a statement to the gardai after an aggressive act.

RonMexico · 21-11-2010 7:26pm

Loitering laws are never enforced. If they were we wouldn't have gangs hanging around street corners all over the city.

Remember when the business community went to the papers a few months ago about the number of beggars on the streets? Well for about a week or two afterwards the Gardai were actually visible in the city on foot patrol and I witnessed them moving a number of these people from outside shops around the city.

Proof that it can be done when they are put under pressure. Also proof that for the rest of the time they couldn't be arsed.

Kess73 · 21-11-2010 8:20pm

RonMexico wrote: »

Loitering laws are never enforced. If they were we wouldn't have gangs hanging around street corners all over the city.

Remember when the business community went to the papers a few months ago about the number of beggars on the streets? Well for about a week or two afterwards the Gardai were actually visible in the city on foot patrol and I witnessed them moving a number of these people from outside shops around the city.

Proof that it can be done when they are put under pressure. Also proof that for the rest of the time they couldn't be arsed.

I know the gardai don't enforce the loitering laws generally, but the laws are in place, and as such can be enforced when there is an obvious breaking of it, such as in cases like what the OP stated.

I do remember the week where the gardai actually enforced the laws and it was very noticeable, but that was just done for show after the complaints made the papers and they have just gone back to turning a blind eye to what is going on again.

Patrick street in Cork is a good example of local gardai actually moving on beggers/junkies on a regular basis. Sure the odd one still tries to brazen it out, but they have nowhere near the number of beggers/junkies that get ignored by the gardai on a regular basis on O'Connell street in Limerick.

I know there are two issues to be dealt with in what the OP spoke about. The need to try and help the people that are begging/junkies, and also the need to allow regular folk plus the local businesses to go about their business without being bothered/intimidated.

It just looks terrible to see, and it has to have an effect on people deciding whether they will shop or eat in certain spots. Plus it is terrible that so many people just slip through the net in society and end up in the position where they beg like that.

phill106 · 21-11-2010 10:17pm

kilburn wrote: »

On another leisurely stroll from the Hunt museum to the O'Connell monument recently, i was struck yet again by the slum this city is turning into. Dont get me wrong I love Limerick and im proud to be from here but ffs will somebody please stand up and stop the rut.

The hole place is boarded up. One of those units on Patrick St looks like it is going to fall out onto the road and kill someone. Crap everywhere, Why dont the street cleaners work evenings?

The amount of beggars and junkies is unreal. We need to highlight this big time folks. Limerick has a very serious heroin problem, heroin addicts are the scum of the earth and need to be dealt with. They would cut your head off for a euro and our guards just seem to ignore them.

I saw a squad car pull up outside Supermacs and the guards went in for their grub and ignored the junkies hassling people ten feet away. This would not happen anywhere else! Why do we put up with it?

Not working some streets at all, full stop. Walking from the granary up to instore, where there is 4-5 car parking spaces outside those flats, the spaces perpendicular to the road? 3 weeks, the same bag with torn apart dirty nappies on the footpath. At least.

sun_moon_stars · 21-11-2010 11:03pm

i too feel intimidated walking in this city there was a man begging on the steps of the bank of ireland on upper o'connell st i was going to check my account i didnt even see him sitting on the steps and he gave me a fright that i walked passed he asked me for some change which i didnt have and then told me to f**k off. you must pass at least 3 on your way in to town and thats only on 1 side of the road its ridiculous it makes me so intimidated going in to the shops or for food no wonder people are going to the shopping centers town is gone so down hill and unsafe

kilburn · 21-11-2010 11:06pm

Im sick of it and im considering making a nuisance of myself to the city council and the guards. Just wondering about the consequences for myself, as we dont live in a democratic city anymore.

Story_Bud · 22-11-2010 12:25am

Come on people, there still human how would ye feel if ye were homeless for christ sake or a junkie like there victims themselves but they cant help it like.

zing zong · 22-11-2010 12:35am

kilburn wrote: »

Im sick of it and im considering making a nuisance of myself to the city council and the guards. Just wondering about the consequences for myself, as we dont live in a democratic city anymore.

cant imagine how there would be any consequences, as you would be perfectly right, and perfectly within your rights to do so

If you want any support, i will gladly help out, as this has been playing on my mind a lot of late

Insect Overlord · 22-11-2010 12:36am

Story_Bud wrote: »

Come on people, there still human how would ye feel if ye were homeless for christ sake or a junkie like there victims themselves but they cant help it like.

They're not all addicts. There are plenty of chancers and criminals just sitting along the sides of our city's main street. They intimidate pedestrians, the every-day citizens of the area whenever they like. There comes a point where sympathy has to be thrown out the window.

padma · 22-11-2010 12:46am

The way I've always seen begging is, if you have it to give, give, If you don't have to give, dont. If you prefer not to give because you hold on to some sense of outrage that there is someone begging, then don't give.

Either way it's a part of life. Live with it, just like the speeding cameras. Every city in the world has people begging, tourists aren't aliens who dropped out of the sky with a bum bag and a camera over their shoulder. They are people too, Anytime I was abroad and saw someone begging and I had it to give, I gave. And I'm sure there are many tourists who would happily give too.

Blaming tourist numbers on begging doesn't cut it really. Dublin would be a prime example of mass numbers of people begging, yet Dublin has a steady stream of tourists.

CiaranMT · 22-11-2010 1:14am

kilburn wrote: »

The amount of beggars and junkies is unreal. We need to highlight this big time folks. Limerick has a very serious heroin problem, heroin addicts are the scum of the earth and need to be dealt with. They would cut your head off for a euro and our guards just seem to ignore them.

The dealers are the scum.

munstergirl · 22-11-2010 1:54am

I'm sure i said during the summer the only reason gardai are on the streets is the sun is shining.

I'm not gardai bashing think we need at least 50% extra gardai in Ireland. Watching bad fellas 2 gardai walking housing estate, how many times does that happen.

Most junkies i see on the street do no harm just sit there and beg, but when i was on the dole i used to think they get the same amount of € as me, except mine is means tested.

I think we need more drug treatment centres.

kilburn · 22-11-2010 7:13pm

I dont have a problem with proper poor people begging its the heroin junkies and scumbags that I have the problem with.

And no junkies arent victims themselves, they know the consequences of taking heroin like everybody else. They choose that life. You should have more sympathy for the people who's lives have been shattered and destroyed by these foaming at the mouth dregs of society. Too many PC do gooders out there.

Gneez · 22-11-2010 7:15pm

Insect Overlord wrote: »

They're not all addicts. There are plenty of chancers and criminals just sitting along the sides of our city's main street. They intimidate pedestrians, the every-day citizens of the area whenever they like. There comes a point where sympathy has to be thrown out the window.

I seen a guy begging on O'Connell street 2 years ago he was sitting on a canvas tarp begging, he was dressed in grey clothes from a second hand shop, I was waiting for someone outside eddie rockets and watching him, after a while he got up and got into the driver side of an immaculate '05 avensis and drove off in it, I was pretty shocked.

If ever I needed an excuse for not helping beggers I got it that day.

grenache · 22-11-2010 7:16pm

I detest the scum that are the whinos/druggies/scumbags tapping on the street. But what really bugs me is the idiots who actually give them money. Are they so stupid to think that they will do anything other than spend their money on drink and drugs. Most of them are barred from city centre shops anyway for stealing. Saw Centra throw one of the them out at the weekend. How could you expect any tourist to come to the city when this kind of **** greets them on the main street.

Story_Bud · 22-11-2010 8:55pm

Why ye so harsh there all victims junkies and Alco's ... if they knew the consequences of there addiction beforehand they would never have turned into what they are now jesus people have a heart.

kilburn · 22-11-2010 9:27pm

So are you actually saying these scumbags dont know how addictive heroin is?
That they dont realise what it will do to them?
Crap !

padma · 22-11-2010 9:42pm

kilburn wrote: »

I dont have a problem with proper poor people begging its the heroin junkies and scumbags that I have the problem with.

And no junkies arent victims themselves, they know the consequences of taking heroin like everybody else. They choose that life. You should have more sympathy for the people who's lives have been shattered and destroyed by these foaming at the mouth dregs of society. Too many PC do gooders out there.

Would you feel the same towards that person if they were your son? The little 7 pounds that you helped bring in to the world? That you remember when they first spoke? The time they fell off their bike and ran to you looking for help? When they went to school in their new uniform?

I don't think you would. You may say that you would disown them, if you did though all you are really doing is showing your bitterness towards them. Now more than ever is a time where people need to wake up out of their seige mentality in their middle class home illusion. We all live in this world, there is no such thing as class, only humans. Am I my brothers keeper?

kilburn · 22-11-2010 9:49pm

So you dont have a problem with junkies holding people up with needles?
Spitting at people on the street who wont give them money?
Abusing lone women and intimidating them?

Lets all go and hug the poor mis understood junkies then and give them money because we are all humans !

Are you really serious? Its that attitude that has them ruling the roost on the streets. Sorry but touchy feely doesnt work with crazed ferile animals that want a fix.

RonMexico · 22-11-2010 9:51pm

The do-gooder brigade should invite them into their own homes and give them all the molly-coddling that they need.

We'd soon see them change their tune.

Limerick is going the way of Detroit. 20 years down the road and this city will be one big ghetto. Regeneration will achieve nothing and don't be surprised if the IMF scrap it anyway.

padma · 22-11-2010 9:52pm

kilburn wrote: »

So you dont have a problem with junkies holding people up with needles?
Spitting at people on the street who wont give them money?
Abusing lone women and intimidating them?

Lets all go and hug the poor mis understood junkies then and give them money because we are all humans !

Are you really serious? Its that attitude that has them ruling the roost on the streets. Sorry but touchy feely doesnt work with crazed ferile animals that want a fix.

It is the job of the law to deal with crime. It is the job of society to deal with social issues. My question is would you feel the same if this person was your son, or your daughter. I don't thinks so, simply because you know they are human, not crazed ferile animals.

RonMexico · 22-11-2010 10:04pm

padma wrote: »

It is the job of the law to deal with crime. It is the job of society to deal with social issues. My question is would you feel the same if this person was your son, or your daughter. I don't thinks so, simply because you know they are human, not crazed ferile animals.

Yeah so what do you propose we do to deal with this situation? These people are not our sons or daughters so spare the guilt trip tactic.

kilburn · 22-11-2010 10:12pm

To be totally honest if it was my child i would knock seven bells outta them, because no one else would. Junkies are a scourge on society

padma · 22-11-2010 10:22pm

RonMexico wrote: »

Yeah so what do you propose we do to deal with this situation? These people are not our sons or daughters so spare the guilt trip tactic.

These PEOPLE (thank you for using that word) may not be YOUR sons or daughter, yet they are the sons and daughters of others. There is no guilt attached in loving your family members, or in Loving others. In fact having hatred towards certain people or sections of society simply reflects a lack of understanding towards others. End of story.

If you were closely related and felt love towards these people you would have a better insight to their personal situation and would have a better grasp on how to live with this sickness close to you. However having a judgemental look at these people because of their actions and going to the lengths of sputtering abuse towards them like scum etc, simply shows your emotions towards them aren't very healthy or loving. Since the emotion is coming out the coherence of your judgement towards them is not properly adjusted towards a sane and adequate assesment of the individuals involved. This goes to all aspects of a having a negative attitude towards others.

In so far as Dealing with the issue of Junkies, I think Munstergirl gave a great and positive suggestion. A suggestion which I feel came from a more sane and coherent opinion on the issue at hand.

Drumming up hatred and the likes simply leads to enflaming negative reactions from people, which are not very coherent, and in fact I believe are counter-productive in the attitude that someone should have towards these people.

This is a free world and certainly you have the right to think whatever way you like, yet it may be a good thing, and this is just a suggestion, to stop judging people and try to calm down and ask yourself why you feel hatred towards these people. Within that reflection you may come to understand a little bit more about yourself and why certain things make you angry etc. It's not good for your Heart or your blood pressure or indeed your personality to have such anger in your life. Theres no need of it.

L.T.P. · 22-11-2010 10:47pm

padma wrote: »

These PEOPLE (thank you for using that word) may not be YOUR sons or daughter, yet they are the sons and daughters of others. There is no guilt attached in loving your family members, or in Loving others. In fact having hatred towards certain people or sections of society simply reflects a lack of understanding towards others. End of story.

If you were closely related and felt love towards these people you would have a better insight to their personal situation and would have a better grasp on how to live with this sickness close to you. However having a judgemental look at these people because of their actions and going to the lengths of sputtering abuse towards them like scum etc, simply shows your emotions towards them aren't very healthy or loving. Since the emotion is coming out the coherence of your judgement towards them is not properly adjusted towards a sane and adequate assesment of the individuals involved. This goes to all aspects of a having a negative attitude towards others.

In so far as Dealing with the issue of Junkies, I think Munstergirl gave a great and positive suggestion. A suggestion which I feel came from a more sane and coherent opinion on the issue at hand.

Drumming up hatred and the likes simply leads to enflaming negative reactions from people, which are not very coherent, and in fact I believe are counter-productive in the attitude that someone should have towards these people.

This is a free world and certainly you have the right to think whatever way you like, yet it may be a good thing, and this is just a suggestion, to stop judging people and try to calm down and ask yourself why you feel hatred towards these people. Within that reflection you may come to understand a little bit more about yourself and why certain things make you angry etc. It's not good for your Heart or your blood pressure or indeed your personality to have such anger in your life. Theres no need of it.

Spare us the bull will you. Its the thieving junkies that are keeping the dealers in business and in a lot of cases committing serious crime including murder on their behalf. Every last one of them should be locked up and be made go through cold turkey until they're clean. They are a cancer on our society.

padma · 22-11-2010 10:50pm

So L.T.P is on for cold turkey and locking them up. Any other suggestions anyone?

Insect Overlord · 22-11-2010 10:54pm

I'd agree with LTP. Leaving them sprawled outside shops or shadowing ATMs is hardly helping them.

padma · 22-11-2010 11:11pm

Which raises the issue, would you be on for it, if it is against their will? You see there are a lot of Heroin junkies out there who need help to get off the gear. And there are a lot of junkies looking for help to get off the gear. Also there are a lot of heroin junkies who live quiet lives and do no harm to anyone only to themselves, what a pity.

So back to Munstergirls response of setting up more treatment centres, or at least trying to have a more effective treatment. Cold Turkey, may be an option, and is an option a lot of them try once in a while. The free methodone, I don't really have any idea or stats on if they work or not.

Every heroin junkie I've ever met and it is quite a few are always telling me they want to get off it and are trying, yet the addiction can be quite strong. Some of them control it and hide it from others, then there are the cases who end up so messed up and begin begging on the streets. Then those instead of begging, rob for their fix etc. The problem does lie on a number of factors, 1 being the supply is their and two being the demand is there.

Locking up junkies putting them on cold turkey may be a short term solution, but how long will it take for that one individual to fall back in to the old trap again. Would it be effective enough to last a lifetime drug free? And even if it is highly successful, there are enough of a new generation waiting around the corner to become the new demand.

In honesty it has to come down to the suppliers, the growers etc, all the way down to the street peddlars.

In a way, I suppose it is looked upon similarly to tobacco, an addicted population, the supply is there, so many millions spent on the awareness campaigns to discourage people from smoking, yet nothing, not a thing on a strong awareness campaign about heroin usage.

talkingclock · 22-11-2010 11:12pm

padma wrote: »

So L.T.P is on for cold turkey and locking them up. Any other suggestions anyone?

maybe

RonMexico wrote: »

The do-gooder brigade should invite them into their own homes and give them all the molly-coddling that they need.

RonMexico · 22-11-2010 11:57pm

padma wrote: »

These PEOPLE (thank you for using that word) may not be YOUR sons or daughter, yet they are the sons and daughters of others. There is no guilt attached in loving your family members, or in Loving others. In fact having hatred towards certain people or sections of society simply reflects a lack of understanding towards others. End of story.

What on earth has this got to do with anything? Criminals have parents, shock horror, I never thought of that, any more intriguing revelations? Why don't you start a free hugs for junkies campaign if you are so concerned about them. They will still use heroin and behave in a threatening manner on our streets.

padme wrote:

If you were closely related and felt love towards these people you would have a better insight to their personal situation and would have a better grasp on how to live with this sickness close to you. However having a judgemental look at these people because of their actions and going to the lengths of sputtering abuse towards them like scum etc, simply shows your emotions towards them aren't very healthy or loving. Since the emotion is coming out the coherence of your judgement towards them is not properly adjusted towards a sane and adequate assesment of the individuals involved. This goes to all aspects of a having a negative attitude towards others.

What utter drivel. Are you actually saying that in order to grasp the problem of heroin addiction I have to first be related to some junky? I suppose the numerous times that I have been harassed in the street by junkies, threatened by them, and intimidated should mean that I just want to give them a big hug and wish them joy joy happiness. Get a clue and join the real world. You are talking complete and utter nonsense.

padme wrote:

This is a free world and certainly you have the right to think whatever way you like, yet it may be a good thing, and this is just a suggestion, to stop judging people and try to calm down and ask yourself why you feel hatred towards these people. Within that reflection you may come to understand a little bit more about yourself and why certain things make you angry etc. It's not good for your Heart or your blood pressure or indeed your personality to have such anger in your life. Theres no need of it.

Tell that to me the next time someone holds a needle to your throat.

padma · 23-11-2010 12:10am

RonMexico wrote: »

What on earth has this got to do with anything? Criminals have parents, shock horror, I never thought of that, any more intriguing revelations? Why don't you start a free hugs for junkies campaign if you are so concerned about them. They will still use heroin and behave in a threatening manner on our streets.

What utter drivel. Are you actually saying that in order to grasp the problem of heroin addiction I have to first be related to some junky? I suppose the numerous times that I have been harassed in the street by junkies, threatened by them, and intimidated should mean that I just want to give them a big hug and wish them joy joy happiness. Get a clue and join the real world. You are talking complete and utter nonsense.

Tell that to me the next time someone holds a needle to your throat.

It has everything to do with recognising heroin addicts as people not what other abusive terms you may have for your neighbours.

If you have been harrassed by them, report it to the guards, if you have been threatened and intimidated by them go to the guards, but my guess that it is fear has just been confirmed by the manner of your post. I live in the real world. I've seen the effects of heroin on people I know, yet I do not feel fear, intimidation or feel threatened by anyone sick on junk. That is the difference between living in the real world and living in fear.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 23-11-2010 12:55am

If they don't know the consequences of heroin before they start shooting up then they were brought up too f**king soft.

Gneez · 23-11-2010 10:11am

Dexter Agreeable Soapbox wrote: »

If they don't know the consequences of heroin before they start shooting up then they were brought up too f**king soft.

Some people are just weak willed and try it because of peer pressure more than anything I would imagine, still though anyone with any amount of willpower with any sort of semi-decent upbringing would not take heroine so I guess it's Darwinism that the weak willed who can't say no to something so self destructive become junkies and are then ostrizised by society.

bigpink · 23-11-2010 11:04am

CiaranMT wrote: »

The dealers are the scum.

No one forces them to put crap into their bodies

padma · 23-11-2010 11:35am

bigpink wrote: »

No one forces them to put crap into their bodies

The same can be said about eating too much chocolate, drinking alcohol (which does damage to your physical body) or any other mind altering substance.

bigpink · 23-11-2010 11:47am

padma wrote: »

The same can be said about eating too much chocolate, drinking alcohol (which does damage to your physical body) or any other mind altering substance.

Exactly so i have no pity if they inject heroin into themselves their choice

Story_Bud · 23-11-2010 12:28pm

No wonder i hate limerick ... all of ye are too stuck up to even show abit of emotion to these people.Look ye think ye have problems how about the junkie alco who has no family no home and has to feed their addiction its not there fault like next time you walk past junkies alcos or homeless people why not ask your WHY did they turn out like that...Maybe they weren't grace with the childhood ye had maybe they were doomed from the very beginning.

bigpink · 23-11-2010 12:57pm

But no one forces them to take drugs or drink to excess.
I hate this pc ness that we should go to them helping Addicts if they really want to change they come and look for help
I knew a guy with a drink problem and his family did loads to help me but he never changed you have to give up sometime

I agree on your point that some have bad childhoods but surely that should make them want to be good people and not taking drugs

LucyLouLou · 23-11-2010 1:08pm

On a more cheery note a "charming" junkie outside the Centre on O Connell street told me I had nice tits once:D I still didn't give him any money though.

padma · 23-11-2010 1:10pm

LucyLouLou wrote: »

On a more cheery note a "charming" junkie outside the Centre on O Connell street told me I had nice tits once:D I still didn't give him any money though.

Hahahaha, that was very charming.

DarkJager · 23-11-2010 5:25pm

Story_Bud wrote: »

No wonder i hate limerick ... all of ye are too stuck up to even show abit of emotion to these people.Look ye think ye have problems how about the junkie alco who has no family no home and has to feed their addiction its not there fault like next time you walk past junkies alcos or homeless people why not ask your WHY did they turn out like that...Maybe they weren't grace with the childhood ye had maybe they were doomed from the very beginning.

The reason society is the way it is now, is because of views like this. Human rights this, sympathy that all while these scumbags are robbing or attacking people without any sense of understanding or decency. They can only see as far as their next fix, and if that next fix is some change in your pocket then you'd better pray its a well lit area or at least has a garda presence. Even then, they won't think twice about throwing punches at you or telling you to **** off because you turned down their request for a smoke or some change.

The bleeding hearts can whinge about upbringings and rights etc all they want - its all soft hearted whip out the violins bull****. The reason I didn't turn out like them is because I had the ****ing cop on to control myself and act like a responsible adult, and in my upbringing had parents who actually know that being a parent is about laying down rules and guidelines, not a path to some easy benefits while the children get a carte blanche to do whatever they want.

Sympathy, as one poster said, is gone out the window. I'm sick of the attitude of these scumbags on our streets and equally the people who try and put up some sort of defence for them. Its all down to intelligence at the end of the day, and if these people are stupid enough to get addicted on heroin or spend their days harrasing people for drink money then its quite simply: **** them, their choice so tough ****. Take the violins and the tears elsewhere.

seachto7 · 23-11-2010 7:23pm

DarkJager wrote: »

The reason society is the way it is now, is because of views like this. Human rights this, sympathy that all while these scumbags are robbing or attacking people without any sense of understanding or decency. They can only see as far as their next fix, and if that next fix is some change in your pocket then you'd better pray its a well lit area or at least has a garda presence. Even then, they won't think twice about throwing punches at you or telling you to **** off because you turned down their request for a smoke or some change.

The bleeding hearts can whinge about upbringings and rights etc all they want - its all soft hearted whip out the violins bull****. The reason I didn't turn out like them is because I had the ****ing cop on to control myself and act like a responsible adult, and in my upbringing had parents who actually know that being a parent is about laying down rules and guidelines, not a path to some easy benefits while the children get a carte blanche to do whatever they want.

Sympathy, as one poster said, is gone out the window. I'm sick of the attitude of these scumbags on our streets and equally the people who try and put up some sort of defence for them. Its all down to intelligence at the end of the day, and if these people are stupid enough to get addicted on heroin or spend their days harrasing people for drink money then its quite simply: **** them, their choice so tough ****. Take the violins and the tears elsewhere.

I agree X100

Raiser · 23-11-2010 8:12pm

LucyLouLou wrote: »

On a more cheery note a "charming" junkie outside the Centre on O Connell street told me I had nice tits once:D I still didn't give him any money though.

You gave him the gift of toplessness - That's enough

LucyLouLou · 23-11-2010 8:27pm

Raiser wrote: »

You gave him the gift of toplessness - That's enough

I'm afraid I wasn't topless, my boobs were just enormous because I was pregnant and it was summer, they were on full view :P

AnCapaillMor · 24-11-2010 10:53am

Nothings changed it just gone back to the way it was. I remember there was a wino beside every ATM in O'connell street. Anyone remember the hairy fella who used sit between the 2 BOI atms on o'connell street, always seemed to have a huge snot on his beard and a can of old somerset in his hand.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 24-11-2010 11:35am

DarkJager wrote: »

The reason society is the way it is now...

Here, here!

As I said before anyone that doesn't know how destructive heroin is before they shoot it into their veins is obviously living in some alternate bright and cheery happy world.

Sometimes with life you just have to be able to help yourself, otherwise there is no point in someone else trying to help you.

This may sound very un-pc but I firmly believe that a lot of these junkies were brought up in a world where everyone helped them. The government and government departments were there handing them money, housing, medical care at every opportunity. This produced completely weak and dependent people, unable to think and fend for themselves. If they get hooked on heroin they believe it's not their fault, it's society's, because society has spoon fed them all their lives.

I was brought up to think that ultimately no one will help me unless I help myself.

Any spare change bud?

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