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ATC recruitment with IAA

  • 09-07-2008 10:09am
    #1
    ATCO
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭


    Hi everyone!

    I am an active ATCO working outside Ireland. I have applied for the position with IAA. I have received a letter that my application has been shortlisted and now I am waiting for a preliminary interview. Just wanted to discuss it. Is there anyone else like me?:)


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  • #2
    qnhhpa
    Registered Users Posts: 28 ✭qnhhpa


    What would you like to know?


  • #3
    ATCO
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭ATCO


    I would like to know what are the chances for my interview to be successful and how to prepare for it. What are the next steps of application for experienced controllers (on the website indicated only for students), the working conditions etc. It would be good to listen to those who had previously passed the application process


  • #4
    ronnie3585
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,675 ✭✭✭ronnie3585


    You will get a pretty good idea of the Irish ATC scene over on Pprune. He are some links that my be of interest to you;

    http://www.pprune.org/forums/atc-issues/330854-iaa-atc-positions.html

    http://www.pprune.org/forums/atc-issues/310303-atc-voluntary-overtime-ban-dublin-flights-delayed-25th-january.html

    http://www.pprune.org/forums/atc-issues/310303-atc-voluntary-overtime-ban-dublin-flights-delayed-25th-january.html


  • #5
    ch252
    Closed Accounts Posts: 668 ✭✭✭ch252


    ATCO, best of luck with it, and you have a PM:)


  • #6
    highlydebased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    Best of luck ATCO ;)


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  • #7
    ATCO
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭ATCO


    Thanks everyone. Will tell the results of my interview


  • #8
    ATCO
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭ATCO


    Today I had the interview by phone. They clarified all aspects of my job experience, and I have asked some questions on the recruitment process. We all have clarified everything and they told me that they will be in contact in a couple of weeks:)


  • #9
    qnhhpa
    Registered Users Posts: 28 ✭qnhhpa


    Best of luck. If you want any more information just ask.


  • #10
    ATCO
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭ATCO


    Yahoooooo!!!!!!!!!!! I got the job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They sent me the letter of appointment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • #11
    BobTheBeat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭BobTheBeat


    Congrats ATCO!Any idea where you are going to be posted yet?Where were you based originally?


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  • #12
    ATCO
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭ATCO


    bobmeaney wrote: »
    Congrats ATCO!Any idea where you are going to be posted yet?Where were you based originally?

    Shannon ACC:cool:


  • #13
    tracker-man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭tracker-man


    congrats!


  • #14
    celticlunatic
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭celticlunatic


    hi, applying for positon as radio officer with iaa, any information or advice on the recruitment process, how difficult is it to pass interviews,what am i likely to be tested on and does anyone have info on what way the shift rotation works, also what are is the salary like once you qualify? any information greatly appreciated, thanks!


  • #15
    skelliser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭skelliser


    celticlunatic wrote: »
    hi, applying for positon as radio officer with iaa, any information or advice on the recruitment process, how difficult is it to pass interviews,what am i likely to be tested on and does anyone have info on what way the shift rotation works, also what are is the salary like once you qualify? any information greatly appreciated, thanks!


    ya id like to know aswell! plus what are an aeronautical radio officer main duties etc?


  • #16
    BobTheBeat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭BobTheBeat


    There was a fairly extensive thread a while back regarding all aspects of Air Traffic Control e.g. recruitment,work conditions.

    You can read all about it here.

    Best of luck!:)


  • #17
    Jesus1222
    Closed Accounts Posts: 301 ✭✭Jesus1222


    Excuse my ignorance but is Aeronautical Radio Officer much removed from ATCO? I've read the job spec.


  • #18
    BobTheBeat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭BobTheBeat


    Im pretty sure its the same job,but titled differently.Im open to correction on this of course!

    edit: just read it more in depth. The jobs being advertised currently on the IAA website are for positions at ballygireen, which has a communications station out of which shanwick is partially based. These (along with the operations centre in prestwick) control the eastern part of the atlantic, and manage aircraft flying from this side to the states. They, along with gander in canada, are responsible for the daily establishment of the north atlantic tracks, which all aircraft must follow when crossing the ocean.


  • #19
    irishatco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭irishatco


    Jesus1222 wrote: »
    Excuse my ignorance but is Aeronautical Radio Officer much removed from ATCO? I've read the job spec.

    Put quite simply, Radio Officers do not control, they relay control messages from Prestwick to aircraft in Oceanic Airspace.

    I've posted a couple of links here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58413707&postcount=292

    If you're interested and apply, make sure you visit Ballygireen to get a feel for the job and talk to current Officers.


  • #20
    Jesus1222
    Closed Accounts Posts: 301 ✭✭Jesus1222


    I've applied for this I should study for the aptitude test. Any advice welcome. Is there a particular brand of test they use?

    Can you actually visit? I presume you have to ring ahead.


  • #21
    ch252
    Closed Accounts Posts: 668 ✭✭✭ch252


    Yeah it would be beast to ring ahead, but I'm sure they would make an exception for Jesus!lol Ah but seriously, I've been down to Shannon Centre and the Tower in Shannon and Galway airports and they're always very friendly and nice to me, but saying that I was asked about 5 times on the phone if I was in the Student Controller Programme so the procedure may be different if you're in that.


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  • #22
    electron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 338 ✭✭electron


    what's the test like so? for radio officers i mean.


  • #23
    iceax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭iceax


    Hello ATCO ,

    I have just applied for the new positions that are comming on stream jan 2009,
    Got a few IQ question books to shake the old mind, ha ha
    Would / Could you suggest any more i can do / read etc
    Kind regards
    iceax


  • #24
    irishatco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭irishatco


    iceax wrote: »
    Hello ATCO ,

    I have just applied for the new positions that are comming on stream jan 2009,
    Got a few IQ question books to shake the old mind, ha ha
    Would / Could you suggest any more i can do / read etc
    Kind regards
    iceax

    I might not be following you, what positions are you referring to?

    And it is many years since I last completed an aptitude test, so I'm not sure I can help you with suggestions.


  • #25
    electron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 338 ✭✭electron


    any hints though? something like an iq test?


  • #26
    John_Mc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭John_Mc


    I'd imagine working on spacial awareness would be wise, as this is a central part of an ATCO position.


  • #27
    irishatco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭irishatco


    electron wrote: »
    any hints though? something like an iq test?

    I can't offer you anything more than the IAA have published on it's website:

    http://www.iaa.ie/files/2009/docs/RecruitmentProcessNote11122008.doc

    That document mentions:

    Numerical aptitude
    Verbal aptitude
    Non-verbal aptitude


  • #28
    electron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 338 ✭✭electron


    how were you tested yourself, irishatco?


  • #29
    kpg22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭kpg22


    Hi all

    Just wondering of anyone who has applied for Aeronautical Radio Officer has heared anything yet from IAA? I have applied myself but haven't heared anything from them except for an email saying they reieved my application.


  • #30
    EI573
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8 ✭EI573


    I'm surprised at how many people seem to have applied for this position but have absolutely no idea what a radio officer actually does!

    Information and job description were provided along with the IAA application form..

    The aptitude test is standard, but not something that can be studied for.

    This is not an ATC position, it is a totally different job. Some ATC positions should be available again in the not-too-distant future. I'd predict a couple of months.

    The Aer Radio facility (where you've applied for a job....) is not permitting visitors at this time. A tour of the facility will be provided during the recruitment process.


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  • #31
    JonnyK
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭JonnyK


    Hi all,

    I'm glad there seems to be some uncertainty about the position as I have applied too but don't know too much about it. I contacted the IAA about sample aptitude tests but none are provided. Presumably numerical tests will feature significantly as they say maths is important. I have also heard nothing back except an acknowledgment of my application.

    Does anyone - possibly who has worked or works in the IAA - have any tips about the aptitude test?


  • #32
    Fiend-Foe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭Fiend-Foe


    Hi all,

    I applied for Aeronautical Radio Officer a while ago and recieved this today, did anybody else get one?

    Reference #: xxxxxxx
    Dear xxxxxxxxxxxxx,

    I refer to your application for the position of Aeronautical Radio Officer in the Irish Aviation Authority.

    I am pleased to invite you to an Aptitude Test as follows:

    Monday 26/01/09 @ 10 am

    The Tests consist of Verbal Reasoning, Numerical Reasoning and Non-Verbal Reasoning. Total time involved 2 hours (approximately).

    The Test will take place in Radisson SAS Hotel, Ennis Road, Limerick (for directions please contact the Hotel on 061 456200). Details will be available in the Reception area directing candidates to the Registration Area.

    Please ensure you bring the following documentation to the Aptitude Test:
    Copy of this email
    Valid Passport
    1 Recent Passport Size Colour Photograph - which will be retained by the Authority

    Please report for Registration on time as we will not be able to facilitate late arrivals.

    The Dress Code for this Test is smart casual.
    No travel or incidental expenses will be paid to any applicant.


    Human Resources Division
    14 January 2009

    So, fingers crossed then. Gotta start sharpening my mind!


  • #33
    jd83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭jd83


    yh i got the same one as you. Pity they dont give a few sample questions for the test. Or at least some info on like how many question in how long a time. Ah well at least ill get visit limerick :)


  • #34
    Fiend-Foe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭Fiend-Foe


    jd83 wrote: »
    yh i got the same one as you. Pity they dont give a few sample questions for the test. Or at least some info on like how many question in how long a time. Ah well at least ill get visit limerick :)

    Yeah, I presume most of these aptitude tests are pretty standard if you've ever done one before.

    It would also be nice to know how many people have been shortlisted for the test!

    Pity the test isn't on later in the day as it will be a hassle to head down the night before and find somewhere to stay down there.


  • #35
    ch252
    Closed Accounts Posts: 668 ✭✭✭ch252


    Anybody who meets the educational requirements is called for the test, no secret!:)

    Then they pick say the top hundred or whatever from that for interview


  • #36
    Fiend-Foe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭Fiend-Foe


    darragh-k wrote: »
    Anybody who meets the educational requirements is called for the test, no secret!:)

    Then they pick say the top hundred or whatever from that for interview

    yep, well of course that makes sense. But I thought they might have the tests held spaced out over different dates or something. Just wanted to know if anybody else got one today.


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  • #37
    Jesus1222
    Closed Accounts Posts: 301 ✭✭Jesus1222


    Is there any particular brand of test to practice with?


  • #38
    ch252
    Closed Accounts Posts: 668 ✭✭✭ch252


    Fiend-Foe wrote: »
    yep, well of course that makes sense. But I thought they might have the tests held spaced out over different dates or something. Just wanted to know if anybody else got one today.

    Ah right, well the last stedent controller programme tests were spread out over different date, I dont know how many applied for this, not as much as was for the atc job anyway I would guess as this isn't so much controlling the planes. It is a communications role so it's not as popular but they would need more thasn one date anyway to allow for people not being able to make it, although you need a damn good reason for them to allocate you a new date I hear!


  • #39
    JonnyK
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭JonnyK


    Hey all,

    I got the same confirmation though mine is on Thursday 29th at 12.30. Sounds like there's a huge amount of applicants if you broadly work out tests at 10 and 12.30 each day between Monday and Friday that week!

    I've only ever done one aptitude test so trying to look over some examples.

    Anyway, best of luck everyone (though hopefully not at my expense!):)


  • #40
    aero2009
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭aero2009


    Hi

    I contacted IAA and they confirmed that there is over 2000 applications?
    any advice on apptitute test would be greatly appreciated.


  • #41
    JonnyK
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭JonnyK


    2000???

    Is that true? Jesus, I know there's a recession but I can't believe 2000 people want to be radio officers all the same!

    Might hop on a plane out of this country - I've a Master's Degree but I could end up working full-time in Supervalu or Spar shortly. That's unless I get past the other 1999 applicants and two interviews - no problem!!

    This country is a joke.:mad:


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  • #42
    aero2009
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭aero2009


    Incredible amount.. thats more than the applications for the last ATC competition. Are you working already?

    Whats your masters in?


  • #43
    JonnyK
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭JonnyK


    Got Masters in 2005 in archaeology. Was working no-stop in research until just before Christmas and like many people, work dried up after that.

    Saw the advert for the ARO on Publicjobs.ie and took it from there. Sounds like a challenging position. I'd imagine there's going to be a massively diverse range of applicants attending the aptitudes. I'm not a big fan of them myself and it's a pity no specific examples are around.

    Did you try for the ATC position before? I'd imagine the aptitude tests for that would be pretty similar.

    Best of luck with the test - think we may need it!


  • #44
    aero2009
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭aero2009


    challenging times alright... looks like a good career.

    very diverse I would imagine also.

    never applied for ATC. dont know if it is possible to prepare for an aptitude test - maybe a good nights sleep the night before!!

    tough break regarding job situation.
    Best of luck with the tests.


  • #45
    tracker-man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭tracker-man


    aero2009 wrote: »

    never applied for ATC. dont know if it is possible to prepare for an aptitude test - maybe a good nights sleep the night before!

    Of course there are ways to practice!:) A quick google search produced this http://www.practicetests.co.uk/ Might be something useful on there ;) I know our own Career Guidance counsellor has a heap of them for use in secondary schools so they are about the place. Verbal Reasoning, Numerical Reasoning and Non-Verbal Reasoning will be tested, (quoted from above) so google tests for them also.


  • #46
    aero2009
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭aero2009


    I have looked a number of web sites but there are different variations on each test, eg Verbal Reasoning could include synonyms, antonyms, passage comprehension, word concepts, word swap etc etc.

    Am surprised IAA has issue guidelines on what type of questions are we to expect, how many and how long we have to answer same.


  • #47
    jd83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭jd83


    aero2009 wrote: »
    Hi

    I contacted IAA and they confirmed that there is over 2000 applications?
    any advice on apptitute test would be greatly appreciated.

    2000 isnt an awful lot after you weed out the people who wont turn up for test, the people who fail the test, the people who dont meet the academic requirements, the people who thought Ballygirreen was next to dublin airport.


  • #48
    JonnyK
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭JonnyK


    Ha ha, you mean it's not beside Dublin airport!!

    There's plenty of tests on the web. As said already, there's so many variations for each section it's difficult to know what will come up - it's really a matter of practising bits of everything and obviously some people will be a lot stronger at certain sections than others.

    I did one for the civil service a few years ago and scored well on verbal and non-verbal but just missd out on the numerical side. I think there's a general requirement whereby you have to score at least a certain amount on each section or you won't go through i.e. if there's 30 questions on each section you may have to get at least 15 correct in each and it won't matter if you get 30 out of 30 in two and 14 in the other - it's still an overall fail. That's the way it works for the civil service anyway.


  • #49
    jd83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭jd83


    I know it sounds funny but a lot people see an ad dont read it and apply.
    Yh i did a civil service exam recently and scored well so hopefully its the same type of test. Does anyone know what the medical and security check consist off. Is it just a check if you have a criminal record and a few references or do they do that 10 year history check were they check all your employers.


  • #50
    DUBDUBDUB
    Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭DUBDUBDUB


    Not looking forward to it. Can anyone confirm that , if succesful and up on completion of 12 months initial training, that there will be positions in Dublin or are they all Shannon way. I have heard conflicting reports?

    Seems a bit late to ask I know but any feedback would be appreciated


  • #51
    aero2009
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭aero2009


    Location is the Aeronautical Communications Division at Ballygirreen, Clare.
    Performing operational duties with regard to Aeronautical Mobile, Fixed and Broadcast Communications Services. There is no jobs anywhere else.


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