Special late train for Ireland match tonight

21 Schump Street · 05-03-2014 9:34am #1

There is a special service being put on today from Limerick to Dublin for the Ireland match, leaving at 22:30 tonight. When I try to buy the return ticket on the Irish rail website, it only gives one departure time which doesn't suit me. Could I buy a return leaving at a different time and still get the 22:30 train back?

LXFlyer · 05-03-2014 11:29am

You may be, but you will need to pay €10 at the station to change it.

I'd contact them directly, as it is a special fare.

Remember that the train back leaves from Dublin Connolly.

21 Schump Street · 05-03-2014 12:46pm

Thanks

roundymac · 06-03-2014 10:34am

How did you get on? Was there any problems with getting the earlier train.

21 Schump Street · 06-03-2014 12:55pm

lxflyer wrote: »

You may be, but you will need to pay €10 at the station to change it.

I'd contact them directly, as it is a special fare.

Remember that the train back leaves from Dublin Connolly.

I wish everyone getting the train read this as the train left Connolly, stopped and went back to Heuston to pick up people who went to the wrong station!

roundymac wrote: »

How did you get on? Was there any problems with getting the earlier train.

I actually was able to get the train at the correct time so I don't know if there would have been problems.

ClovenHoof · 06-03-2014 1:14pm

21 Schump Street wrote: »

I wish everyone getting the train read this as the train left Connolly, stopped and went back to Heuston to pick up people who went to the wrong station!

via a rail line/tunnel which Irish Rail claims has no real use for...

Hilly Bill · 06-03-2014 1:24pm

21 Schump Street wrote: »

I wish everyone getting the train read this as the train left Connolly, stopped and went back to Heuston to pick up people who went to the wrong station!

I actually was able to get the train at the correct time so I don't know if there would have been problems.

It was supposed to stop on platform 10 to change drivers but did passengers get on there or did it make its way into the main station. From what i heard there was only around 50 tickets sold for the Cork train and about the same number with tickets got on at Connolly. Less people booked on the Galway train and those that had booked got on at Connolly.
I can't see it being put on again.

Hilly Bill · 06-03-2014 1:25pm

ClovenHoof wrote: »

via a rail line/tunnel which Irish Rail claims has no real use for...

When did they ever say that?

dregin · 06-03-2014 1:35pm

Hilly Bill wrote: »

It was supposed to stop on platform 10 to change drivers but did passengers get on there or did it make its way into the main station. From what i heard there was only around 50 tickets sold for the Cork train and about the same number with tickets got on at Connolly. Less people booked on the Galway train and those that had booked got on at Connolly.
I can't see it being put on again.

It was a friendly played by slightly above mediocre teams

Was Lansdowne sold out? I very much doubt the demand for this game is anywhere near what it would be for a full international!

Hilly Bill · 06-03-2014 1:45pm

Part time supporters

TINA1984 · 06-03-2014 5:56pm

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Part time supporters

More like work full time and can't make a Wednesday evening KO from the provinces supporters

corktina · 06-03-2014 6:06pm

Hilly Bill wrote: »

When did they ever say that?

Tunnel in regular use, just only rarely for passengers. This is pretty much as it has always ben, although timetabled trains did once use it.

ClovenHoof · 06-03-2014 8:44pm

I have always said that IE need a Cork-Dublin-Belfast Premier express service with Cork trains by-passing Hueston and serving Connolly instead.

corktina · 06-03-2014 9:33pm

no one would use it...I assume there are flights for that....

edit...seems I was wrong! can't see much demand though for a through train

Grandeeod · 06-03-2014 10:55pm

Hilly Bill wrote: »

When did they ever say that?

Lots of times and you know it!

Grandeeod · 06-03-2014 10:57pm

corktina wrote: »

Tunnel in regular use, just only rarely for passengers. This is pretty much as it has always ben, although timetabled trains did once use it.

Hilly Bill knows damn well the point being made.

Stheno · 06-03-2014 10:57pm

ClovenHoof wrote: »

via a rail line/tunnel which Irish Rail claims has no real use for...

Did they use the tunnel via the Phoenix Park?

corktina wrote: »

no one would use it...I assume there are flights for that....

edit...seems I was wrong! can't see much demand though for a through train

Can't either, the Cork to Dublin train is a horror of a journey as it is, can't imagine having to then endure the Entreprise

Grandeeod · 06-03-2014 10:57pm

Hilly Bill wrote: »

It was supposed to stop on platform 10 to change drivers

Why?

corktina · 06-03-2014 10:59pm

route knowledge maybe?

Grandeeod · 06-03-2014 11:04pm

corktina wrote: »

route knowledge maybe?

Can't be that simple. A driver takes it from Connolly to Platform 10 and a new driver takes over to Limerick or whatever? Seems bonkers. Who drove the train to Connolly in the first place? Or did it only go to Heuston originally and why?

LXFlyer · 06-03-2014 11:50pm

I'd say it was exactly that - route knowledge.

The train would have worked a normal service into Heuston (there were no specials to Dublin), so a Connolly or Heuston driver would have then taken it to Connolly, and then presumably the same driver brought it back to Heuston, and a Cork driver then took it south.

I doubt any Cork drivers have route knowledge of that section of track.

Grandeeod · 07-03-2014 12:10am

lxflyer wrote: »

I'd say it was exactly that - route knowledge.

The train would have worked a normal service into Heuston (there were no specials to Dublin), so a Connolly or Heuston driver would have then taken it to Connolly, and then presumably the same driver brought it back to Heuston, and a Cork driver then took it south.

I doubt any Cork drivers have route knowledge of that section of track.

Is this the whole seperation of "sheds". It seems inconceivable that all drivers can't drive a train between Heuston and Connolly. What about the Galway and Limerick specials? Same story? What about ITG, IRRS specials departing Connolly for Cork etc.? Honestly, why is the PPT route so special that it requires these driver changes?

Rootsblower · 07-03-2014 12:14am

Grandeeod wrote: »

Is this the whole seperation of "sheds". It seems inconceivable that all drivers can't drive a train between Heuston and Connolly. What about the Galway and Limerick specials? Same story? What about ITG, IRRS specials departing Connolly for Cork etc.? Honestly, why is the PPT route so special that it requires these driver changes?

Since a driver must operate over a route at least once every six months to maintain route knowledge and there being no regular services through PPT from Cork/Limerick/Galway drivers in those depots wouldn't have route knowledge from Heuston to Connolly

Hilly Bill · 07-03-2014 12:26am

Grandeeod wrote: »

Lots of times and you know it!

Show me

Grandeeod wrote: »

Hilly Bill knows damn well the point being made.

Do i??

Stheno wrote: »

Did they use the tunnel via the Phoenix Park?

/QUOTE]

Yes they did

Grandeeod wrote: »

Why?

The clue is in the post.

LXFlyer · 07-03-2014 12:45am

Grandeeod wrote: »

Is this the whole seperation of "sheds". It seems inconceivable that all drivers can't drive a train between Heuston and Connolly. What about the Galway and Limerick specials? Same story? What about ITG, IRRS specials departing Connolly for Cork etc.? Honestly, why is the PPT route so special that it requires these driver changes?

There is nothing special about this - it is common practice with railways all over the world.

The IRRS/ITG specials would have been driven by a Heuston driver throughout as they would have the relevant route knowledge.

But if a Heuston driver were to drive the Cork special through to Cork last night, how does he then get back home to Dublin, given it wouldn't have arrived there until near 2am? Taxi? The train presumably would return attached to one of the regular ICR services this morning (they may have shortened an earlier service).

Doing it the way they did, presumably the Cork driver came up as a passenger on one of the trains during the early evening, and then drove the train back to Cork thus negating any additional transport costs.

Cork drivers wouldn't normally have any cause to drive to Connolly, so why would you expect them to have route knowledge?

Hilly Bill · 07-03-2014 1:46am

Stheno wrote: »

Did they use the tunnel via the Phoenix Park?

Can't either, the Cork to Dublin train is a horror of a journey as it is, can't imagine having to then endure the Entreprise

lxflyer wrote: »

There is nothing special about this - it is common practice with railways all over the world.

The IRRS/ITG specials would have been driven by a Heuston driver throughout as they would have the relevant route knowledge.

But if a Heuston driver were to drive the Cork special through to Cork last night, how does he then get back home to Dublin, given it wouldn't have arrived there until near 2am? Taxi? The train presumably would return attached to one of the regular ICR services this morning (they may have shortened an earlier service).

Doing it the way they did, presumably the Cork driver came up as a passenger on one of the trains during the early evening, and then drove the train back to Cork thus negating any additional transport costs.

Cork drivers wouldn't normally have any cause to drive to Connolly, so why would you expect them to have route knowledge?

It came straight back empty.

LXFlyer · 07-03-2014 2:32am

Well in that case perhaps driver hours came into play.

end of the road · 07-03-2014 3:56pm

Grandeeod wrote: »

Is this the whole seperation of "sheds". It seems inconceivable that all drivers can't drive a train between Heuston and Connolly. What about the Galway and Limerick specials? Same story? What about ITG, IRRS specials departing Connolly for Cork etc.? Honestly, why is the PPT route so special that it requires these driver changes?

because its one more excuse for them not to open it to full time passenger service like they should

TheBandicoot · 07-03-2014 4:16pm

The only thing that confuses me about sheds is the presence of three driver depots on the Northern line, Connolly, Drogheda and Dundalk, and how commuter/Enterprise route knowledge and links are shared between them.

Hilly Bill · 07-03-2014 5:17pm

end of the road wrote: »

because its one more excuse for them not to open it to full time passenger service like they should

Why should they? Its ok as it is.

end of the road · 07-03-2014 5:44pm

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Why should they? Its ok as it is.

because it opens up a link between both dublins terminus stations and could offer more travel opportunities for people and when dart underground comes itself and the phoenix park tunnel could complament each other, so no its not okay as it is

Hilly Bill · 07-03-2014 6:09pm

It also adds extra traffic through Connolly. Whats wrong with using the Luas.

end of the road · 07-03-2014 6:45pm

Hilly Bill wrote: »

It also adds extra traffic through Connolly. Whats wrong with using the Luas.

use of the tunnel could offer up more traveling opportunities to the public, so a train from newbridge to maynooth for example, nothing wrong with using the luas all though i do find it slow and i'd rather just walk over to another platform and jump on a train to hueston rather then walking all the way out to the luas and winding slowly through the streets of dublin stopping at traffic lights along the way, luas is no excuse not to open up this vital piece of infrastructure for the people of ireland to allow more travel opportunities to everyone via rail.

Fred Swanson · 07-03-2014 7:57pm

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Cool_CM · 07-03-2014 8:01pm

Stheno wrote: »

Can't either, the Cork to Dublin train is a horror of a journey as it is

Whyso? I get it regularly (in fact I'm on it right now) and it's grand.

Hilly Bill · 07-03-2014 9:27pm

end of the road wrote: »

use of the tunnel could offer up more traveling opportunities to the public, so a train from newbridge to maynooth for example, nothing wrong with using the luas all though i do find it slow and i'd rather just walk over to another platform and jump on a train to hueston rather then walking all the way out to the luas and winding slowly through the streets of dublin stopping at traffic lights along the way, luas is no excuse not to open up this vital piece of infrastructure for the people of ireland to allow more travel opportunities to everyone via rail.

How will you get to Maynooth via the tunnel?

Fred Swanson · 07-03-2014 9:31pm

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Hilly Bill · 07-03-2014 9:32pm

Its a bit messy.

Special late train for Ireland match tonight

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