Is the educational system rigged ?

meglome · 07-04-2009 12:33am

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

I went to a private college that I'd rather not name. And i witnessed what Kernel says first hand.

Why not say where? In Ireland? In Dublin?

So since it seems all rich people are cheats do I assume that you are too? Or is the case that cheating isn't class dependent?

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

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Esåpinolaman. Have to say I agree with you to an extent but even in the 80's in primary school kids who couldn't afford books were always supplied to them for free at my school. But I think inequality in education is a symptom of a greater social inequality. Half-arsed teachers was a problem in my school though.

There will be people in any job that are not particularly good, teachers being no different. And it looks like you're not agreeing with him, you're saying getting books wasn't a problem.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

Only bought a dictionary once. For the start of 1st year. The year you have every single one of your books on the book list brand new on the first day, even an Atlas ffs (may be confusing with primary though) and a maths set that you'll only ever use for drawing straight lines and about 50 copy books. Over the 6 years I doubt I ever used my dictionary other than to underline Penis or whatever. Use the online dictionary more now to translate Diogene's posts.

You rich kids probably had a gold plated one or somesuch. Stolen while oppressing all the rest of us no doubt.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

And I was in secondary school when the country was going a bit mental while the Celtic Tiger was roaring and it was a race to the top.

You mean the downtrodden masses where crawling their way up, damn them.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

Less intellectually competent (rich) kids and blowhards were all shipped off to the institute for 5th and 6th year which is beyond regular working folk. Wonder what there numbers are like now'? First to third year they were doing French Grinds or whatever while I was playing football.

Yes it sounds like some parents want to work hard and sent their kids to the best school they can, I'm sickened. All of my friends went to normal state schools, all of them did well and all of them did well in their work and lives. And none of them came from money. The rich in this country need to get it together and oppress us better, shouldn't you they.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

Ironically enough it was the reverse for me. I breezed through school and ended up doing quite well in my exams. Well exam i.e. the leaving cert. I got 3% I remember in pass maths in my mocks.

Fair play it's almost like you being rich had no bearing on anything.

No I've used plenty of sarcasm in this post to make a point so hopefully I'll be forgiven.

meglome · 07-04-2009 12:38am

espinolman wrote: »

And what did they do with St.johns wort ?, they would love to close all the health food shops in the country and ban us from growing lettuce in our gardens if they thought they could , and its not that its not backed by science , no its that its not backed by big pharma .

What?? Where the hell are you getting this from? So called health foods are not always as healthy as they claim. If someone is selling you something they just might be biased. Jesus why is it that only government's and corporations seem to lie. I've got news for you lot's of people lie for many different reasons and especially if they are selling you something. Sweet **** sakes.

espinolman · 07-04-2009 12:49am

meglome wrote: »

So called health foods are not always as healthy as they claim.

I agree with you there , it depends on what the product is , i know quite a bit about that .

Fluffybums · 07-04-2009 1:03am

espinolman wrote: »

And what did they do with St.johns wort ?, they would love to close all the health food shops in the country and ban us from growing lettuce in our gardens if they thought they could , and its not that its not backed by science , no is it that its not backed by big pharma !

Espinolman - try doing a search on PubMed for St. John's Wort, 1848 hits looking at amongst other things depression and bipolar. However it also interacts with major standard medicines such as statins, which is why the sale has been controlled. For your information big pharma is genuinely interested in alternative medicines and how and if they work and very importantly how they my affect standard treatments as this can provide insight into disease mechanism and new avenues for treatment. Please check your facts before you make these wild allegations.

Sofa_King Good · 07-04-2009 1:08am

meglome wrote: »

Why not say where? In Ireland? In Dublin?

Dublin. I should point out my parents took out a loan for the fees.

My Mam's been sick for as long as I've been alive and she's been a full time job for my dad. Lots of brothers and sisters thrown into the mix too. His own family are fairly well off though, Dr's, Merchant Bankers and the like.

meglome wrote: »

So since it seems all rich people are cheats do I assume that you are too? Or is the case that cheating isn't class dependent?

The key is to cheat with class! You've obviously never bought your Johns Wart on the mean streets of the South Of Dublin. Good honest people come from all walks of life and vice versa

meglome wrote: »

There will be people in any job are not particularly good,

me

meglome wrote: »

teachers being no different. And it looks like you're not agreeing with him, you're saying getting books wasn't a problem.

I sense I may be a little younger than you but to expand on what i said earlier I was on of those poor kids. Don't get me wrong it wasn't Angela's Ashes but I was one of those kids who didn't have to pay for school trips and books and stuff. To be honest I don't think my life would have been improved or turned out differently if we were better off.

meglome wrote: »

No I've used plenty of sarcasm in this post to make a point so hopefully I'll be forgiven.

I forgive you. And I don't blame you for thinking I was rich. Its due to the class and sophistication I exude.

If ever I have kids with my fiance they'll be rich kids. Iäll give them a hard time for ya!

Fluffybums · 07-04-2009 1:12am

As for the conspiracy over education - ever heard of a library most towns have one and there are even mobile ones to cater for villages and I'd be amazed if they didn't carry a decent dictionary and some kind of encyclopedia. You choose to ignorant, especially with the advent of TV, radio and the internet and of course there is that big hole in the middle of your face:. If you never learnt what a word meant that was your choice. Education is a two way process, a teacher can impart information however if the student is not involved then they might as well be talking to a brick wall. I'm not a school teacher.

Sofa_King Good · 07-04-2009 1:15am

haha Meglome I honestly thought that when I was reading your post it was from Espinolaman,

Thats why I ballsed it up.

The reason being it was just too damn pleasant to be you...no offence. So if some of the answers seem weird that is why.

espinolman · 07-04-2009 1:22am

Fluffybums wrote: »

Espinolman - try doing a search on PubMed for St. John's Wort, 1848 hits looking at amongst other things depression and bipolar. However it also interacts with major standard medicines such as statins, which is why the sale has been controlled. For your information big pharma is genuinely interested in alternative medicines and how and if they work and very importantly how they my affect standard treatments as this can provide insight into disease mechanism and new avenues for treatment. Please check your facts before you make these wild allegations.

I did not state anything about st. jonhs wort as fact , i asked a question , and you answered , reread the post , and also i said 'is ' with relation to big pharma so again , not stated as fact.

Fluffybums · 07-04-2009 1:38am

Okay implied rather than stated as fact - sorry for misunderstanding.

meglome · 07-04-2009 1:41am

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

haha Meglome I honestly thought that when I was reading your post it was from Espinolaman,

Thats why I ballsed it up.

The reason being it was just too damn pleasant to be you...no offence. So if some of the answers seem weird that is why.

he he well believe it or not in real life I'm nice, well mostly anyway.

Actually in real life I'd be a lot funnier, I rant more in here.

I know I come across as stroppy in here and I suppose intentionally so. It bothers me sometimes when people say in here that there can be only one explanation for things when clearly there can be more. And it bothers me sometimes when they tell me to open my mind except when I show them they might well be wrong and they won't listen thus showing they don't have an open mind themselves. I'd like to think I don't assume too much and again it bothers me sometimes when others do it the majority of the time. So if I'm short with people it isn't personal I just like some balance and a little less predisposed bias.

espinolman · 07-04-2009 8:21am

meglome wrote: »

Okay...

Firstly the internet isn't anonymous so if for some reason (and I can't imagine why) someone really wanted to track you down they could.

I do not own a computer , i always use an internet cafe , i wear a hat and scarf and never look into the cameras , i always pay in cash and do not bring my mobile phone , so they cannot track me .:cool:

6th · 07-04-2009 9:07am

How do you know you haven't been followed? I mean seriously, if I saw someone acting in that way I'd be suspicious.

meglome · 07-04-2009 2:45pm

espinolman wrote: »

I do not own a computer , i always use an internet cafe , i wear a hat and scarf and never look into the cameras , i always pay in cash and do not bring my mobile phone , so they cannot track me .:cool:

And here's me thinking you were a student or something and we find out you're an international spy.

thecommander · 07-04-2009 2:56pm

espinolman wrote: »

I do not own a computer , i always use an internet cafe , i wear a hat and scarf and never look into the cameras , i always pay in cash and do not bring my mobile phone , so they cannot track me .:cool:

I'd well believe it

Mahatma coat · 08-04-2009 3:31am

6th wrote: »

How do you know you haven't been followed? I mean seriously, if I saw someone acting in that way I'd be suspicious.

Duh, he' still alive

so obviously he's been able to give the lizzzzards the slip.

Maaaaaaaaaaate theres no need for the excessive paranoia.

I can sit at home on me sofa, sans hat, and still maintain the equivelant level of anonomity. more even as there arentr witnesses or cameras in my livin room.

I use as anonomous an account as I can, PM me and I'll explain it to ya.

espinolman · 10-04-2009 6:30pm

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Maaaaaaaaaaate theres no need for the excessive paranoia.

Yeah , RIGHT .

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I can sit at home on me sofa, sans hat, and still maintain the equivelant level of anonomity. more even as there arentr witnesses or cameras in my livin room.

Did you check in the infra-red ?
You know they have invisible hovercraft that can run on silent mode and invisibility cloaks' that they wear so that you can't see them .:cool:

fictionaire · 10-04-2009 11:59pm

I recently finished an excellently researched book by a well respected expert in his field. He believes that every child is a genius. He spent the most part of this adult life teaching children and therefore is more than qualified to comment on the rigging of the educational system.

If anybody on this thread is genuinely interested in knowing more on this important subject I highly recommend reading the works of John T. Gatto

He will help you form an accurate opinion on the subject.

I think this quote is apt: "Whoever controls the image and information of the past determines what and how future generation will think; whoever controls the information and images of the present determines how those same people will view the past"
-- Arnold Toynbee, A study of History (1934-61)

Mahatma coat · 13-04-2009 1:06am

espinolman wrote: »

Yeah , RIGHT .

I defer to your good judgement Sir, however as a curiousity, which method did you use to secure the Tinfoil to the inside of your baseball cap?

Did you check in the infra-red ?

do I look liek some sort of N00b ta you?

You know they have invisible hovercraft that can run on silent mode and invisibility cloaks' that they wear so that you can't see them .:cool:

A decent set of motion sensors arranged for 360 coverage and of course thermal imaging, Lizzzzzards are still cold, so its yer beest way to spot them.

That said I have me theories that they have abducted one of me Geese and replaced him with a NWO infiltrator Shape shifting lizzzzzzzzzzard, maybe its nothing but recently he' been a lot fussier about what he eats, he's a lot pallier with the Geckos than the Ducks, and I dont remember giving him a mobile phone, but he seems to be on it all day

bonkey · 13-04-2009 9:04am

Espinolman and MC - This isn't the humor forum.

Sofa_King Good · 22-04-2009 1:32am

This **** article http://current.com/items/89985387_one-in-three-children-fear-earth-apocalypse.htm

features the results of what they are teaching US kids in their institutions

One out of three children aged 6 to 11 fears that Ma Earth won't exist when they grow up, while more than half—56 percent—worry that the planet will be a blasted heath (or at least a very unpleasant place to live), according to a new survey.

Almost as sickening is the opening statement, just in case any kids read it no doubt.

There's a new bogeyman lurking in the closet, and this one isn't imaginary

Thankfully Adults appear to be waking up as this recently published survey suggests.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/environment/energy_update

Just one-out-of-three voters (34%) now believe global warming is caused by human activity

I blame the internet.

ChickenScratch · 24-04-2009 8:12pm

DUDES

Gone off topic much?

And here I was thinking I'd find PROOF that the Leaving Cert is a corrupt and pointless system therefore giving me a valid reason to not study tonight

mysterious · 25-04-2009 12:09am

Well Einstien was an geniuos. Yet he didn't propell at school, and didnt excell until later years. He was a genious because, his brain was fused, he was equally creative/Logical. This uses most of the brain.

The education system only focues on right, wrong, it is, it's not, Equation or **** it, black - white, and basic science/languages.

I can tell you from what I've been researching in the last 1. 99% of the worlds population have zero accesss to the knowledge we should be looking at. The bavarian Illuminati have all the alien knowledge. Yes I said alien knowledge.

All about quantim physics, Symbols, Shapes, Astrology, Highy complex mathemathics, Astrology/Astronomy combined, Physics, Kabbalah and Time itself.

I'm serious when I say this, they have had the top people for the last 300 hundreds years, studying the 6000 year old subject. We know nothing, I'm getting into all of it and I am putting 2 hours a day into this, and for the rest of the day its goes into my mind and I try work it out in my head. I can mulitask and do things Interdimensionlly. It's complicated but It's reavealing alot to me.

I couldn't give a toss, whos tracking me. My computer has blown up more times than I can remember in one year

They gave up , cus they realised that the only way to stop is kill me, but then again if anyone kills me they will know their life will end also.:D

Yeah I just said that, You should see what I say in real life.

People don't think I'm crazy they just don't cross me.

King Mob · 25-04-2009 12:13am

mysterious wrote: »

They gave up , cus they realised that the only way to stop is kill me, but then again if anyone kills me they will know their life will end also.:D

Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

Strike me down now and will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

So should we bother asking you to back up these ludicrous claims Obi Wan?
Or should we just believe you without question?

mysterious · 25-04-2009 12:29am

King Mob wrote: »

So should we bother asking you to back up these ludicrous claims Obi Wan?
Or should we just believe you without question?

Law of attraction.

Law of the universe.

Mind over matter. Higher beings have access to it, I can teach you it. I will also say, don't believe me if you don't want to.

There is a universe out there waiting to be touched, none of you have even dreamt to look up even, never mind envision yourself, to realise your actually a cosmic source and a universal being, sent to this planet to live on of the most bombarded broadcasted reality in the history of this galaxy.

I still know nothing, so don't take my word for it. The more I learn, and I mean when I say this and out of all repsect and love for I have for this race, I do within all my power to get to the bottom of it, the more I realise, the more I realise we are actually enslaved. We know so little that, we live and die on this planet never knowing the full of our potential. to me and why the government and higher powers do not reveal the MATRIX of reality, I'm in a position where I can partially see why people react strange us they are not familar with the greater cosmic awareness around us. It's actually sometimes better not to say anything.

"He whos knows all, says very little."
2He who talks alot know's very little"

I'm in a transition realising alot.

Thats shows up our educaton system for you...:rolleyes:

King Mob · 25-04-2009 12:32am

mysterious wrote: »

Law of attraction.

Law of the universe.

Mind over matter. Higher beings have access to it, I can teach you it. I will also say, don't believe me if you don't want to.

There is a universe out there waiting to be touched, none of you have even dreamt to look up even, never mind envision yourself, to realise your actually a cosmic source and a universal being, sent to this planet to live on of the most bombarded broadcasted reality in the history of this galaxy.

I still know nothing, so don't take my word for it. The more I learn, and I mean when I say this and out of all repsect and love for I have for this race, I do within all my power to get to the bottom of it, the more I realise, the more I realise we are actually enslaved. We know so little that, we live and die on this planet never knowing the full of our potential. to me and why the government and higher powers do not reveal the MATRIX of reality, I'm in a position where I can partially see why people react strange us they are not familar with the greater cosmic awareness around us. It's actually sometimes better not to say anything.

"He whos knows all, says very little."
2He who talks alot know's very little"

I'm in a transition realising alot.

Thats shows up our educaton system for you...:rolleyes:

A simple "no" would have done.

mysterious · 25-04-2009 12:34am

King Mob wrote: »

A simple "no" would have done.

No for what.

My reality is different to yours. Welcome to gaia. So much to learn as we all walk it.

King Mob · 25-04-2009 12:37am

mysterious wrote: »

No for what.

My reality is different to yours. Welcome to gaia. So much to learn as we all walk it.

That you have no evidence to support your claims.

My reality is based on verifiable evidence and logic. Not unquestioning mysticism.
Where'd I learn that? 2nd year philosophy in Maynooth.

So no the Irish educational system is not rigged in my opinion.

mysterious · 25-04-2009 12:39am

King Mob wrote: »

That you have no evidence to support your claims.

My reality is based on verifiable evidence and logic. Not unquestioning mysticism.
Where'd I learn that? 2nd year philosophy in Maynooth.

So no the Irish educational system is not rigged in my opinion.

You only show imbalance.

human beings are not robots
Human beings are both lscientific and creationist. Both intuitive and logic.

When you use both, you will understand the complicities of the universe, Oe side of the universe will never explain the full apple. You need the other half, fuse the both sides. Meaning use all your brain to come to your reasonings and reality. Reality isn't logical, so your all ready setting up for a fall.

Einstein understands exactly what I described above.

As I said welcome to Gaia.;)

King Mob · 25-04-2009 12:45am

mysterious wrote: »

You only show imbalance.

human beings are not robots
Human beings are both lscientific and creationist. Both intuitive and logic.

When you use both, you will understand the complicities of the universe, Oe side of the universe will never explain the full apple. You need the other half, fuse the both sides. Meaning use all your brain to come to your reasonings and reality. Reality isn't logical, so your all ready setting up for a fall.

Einstein understands exactly what I described above.

As I said welcome to Gaia.;)

Unfortunately the evidence doesn't support any of that.
Since the development of the modern scientific theory, we have advanced more in the 200 or so years since than in the previous 2000.

But if you know so much about how the universe works (and you evidently don't), can you explain what exactly the scientific method is?

And still waiting for that evidence for alien knowledge. Or are you just making it all up?

mysterious · 25-04-2009 12:48am

King Mob wrote: »

Unfortunately the evidence doesn't support any of that.
Since the development of the modern scientific theory, we have advanced more in the 200 or so years since than in the previous 2000.

But if you know so much about how the universe works (and you evidently don't), can you explain what exactly the scientific method is?

And still waiting for that evidence for alien knowledge. Or are you just making it all up?

Did you ever hear of Einstein.

:rolleyes: Haha modern scientific theory my eye. The science we have, is hundreds of years behind the genious of the ancient knowledge.

King Mob · 25-04-2009 12:55am

mysterious wrote: »

Did you ever hear of Einstein.

:rolleyes: Haha modern scientific theory my eye. The science we have, is hundreds of years behind the genious of the ancient knowledge.

Such as?
What genius exactly? Can you back this claim up?

Oh and do you know why Einstein's theory was right?
Because it went through the scientific process, was empirically verified and was proven with experimental evidence.

Can you please describe the scientific method and show where you feel it is lacking?

Undergod · 25-04-2009 1:40am

mysterious wrote: »

It's actually sometimes better not to say anything.

...

2He who talks alot know's very little"

This was hilarious.

meglome · 25-04-2009 1:50am

Undergod wrote: »

This was hilarious.

I'm afraid our Mysterious friend doesn't appear to understand irony.

mysterious · 25-04-2009 2:19am

King Mob wrote: »

Such as?
What genius exactly? Can you back this claim up?

Oh and do you know why Einstein's theory was right?
Because it went through the scientific process, was empirically verified and was proven with experimental evidence.

Can you please describe the scientific method and show where you feel it is lacking?

Einstein, was also a day dreamer a hermit, a creative thinker, an abstract mind.

What I'm saying, is, I've said it already. His brain was fused to use both logic and intuition. Einstien always said he got most of his theorys on creative thought and wondering.

He believes in the divine creator of all, and that we are all connected. He used scientific hypothsis to break it down into logic and mathamatical equation.

You should look into his work and his creative work too. He is a classic example and role model of a scientists who came up with one of the greatest theorys and works in physics/astronomy.

Been dualistic is better than be one :P

King Mob · 25-04-2009 2:37am

mysterious wrote: »

Einstein, was also a day dreamer a hermit, a creative thinker, an abstract mind.

What I'm saying, is, I've said it already. His brain was fused to use both logic and intuition. Einstien always said he got most of his theorys on creative thought and wondering.

He believes in the divine creator of all, and that we are all connected. He used scientific hypothsis to break it down into logic and mathamatical equation.

You should look into his work and his creative work too. He is a classic example and role model of a scientists who came up with one of the greatest theorys and works in physics/astronomy.

Been dualistic is better than be one :P

First off he didn't believe in a creative or personal god.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religious_views

He never expressed any of the beliefs you're claiming. And none of his scientific theories show anything of the sort.

And his theories where verified by the scientific method, observation and empirical experimentation. Not just because he was creative and not just because he was Einstein.

And he was able to back up all his theories with sound logic and evidence.
Maybe you should take a page from his book. And not just believe everything you read in The Secret.

Still waiting for you to point out the flaws in the scientific method.
Or to show you even understand it in the first place.

Kernel · 25-04-2009 7:21am

King Mob wrote: »

First off he didn't believe in a creative or personal god.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religious_views

He never expressed any of the beliefs you're claiming. And none of his scientific theories show anything of the sort.

And his theories where verified by the scientific method, observation and empirical experimentation. Not just because he was creative and not just because he was Einstein.

Have a read of this:

http://www.ctinquiry.org/publications/reflections_volume_1/torrance.htm

And a good documentary to watch on the unified theory.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/einstein_symphony_prog_summary.shtml

6th · 25-04-2009 10:04am

Lads the topic of this thread is "Is the educational system rigged?" that doesnt seem to be the topic anymore so unless it gets back on topic this thread is being locked in 24hrs.

No more off topic posts please.

Is the educational system rigged ?

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