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Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

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  • #5252
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Of course, if he did give the penalty - you would be giving him exactly the same abuse as you did when he gave the broadfoot one...right? :rolleyes:

    Or, just like the Rangers "Goal" during the new year game when we were all treated to "neither the referee or the linesman could see it, therefore couldnt give the goal".

    Make up your mind man.

    Whats the Broadfoot one?

    I do remember one incident where he gave a penalty with his back to play. Should have been marked down for that.

    If the referee was downgraded over the goal in the new years game, id have no problem with that.

    Referees do get marked down/downgraded for making mistakes, why should it be different in this scenario?


  • #5253
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Nelson has admitted there was contact with Stokes in the tackle. Even if he didnt admit it, you could see the guilty look in his face when Collum was running over.

    Nelson also said that Stokes after the game (upon seeing the incident) said he 'wasn't sure'.


  • #5254
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Nelson also said that Stokes after the game (upon seeing the incident) said he 'wasn't sure'.

    Sure that means it was a penalty ;)


  • #5255
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Nelson also said that Stokes after the game (upon seeing the incident) said he 'wasn't sure'.

    You like to get bogged down in irrelevant things.

    A tackle from behind where you get the player but none of the ball should be a penalty according to the rules of the game. Simple as. The officials got it wrong, they should be made accountable for their mistakes. You are either trolling or dont know the rules of football.


  • #5256
    Brewster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Nelson also said that Stokes after the game (upon seeing the incident) said he 'wasn't sure'.

    You like to get bogged down in irrelevant things.

    A tackle from behind where you get the player but none of the ball should be a penalty according to the rules of the game. Simple as. The officials got it wrong, they should be made accountable for their mistakes. You are either trolling or dont know the rules of football.

    Demps, there is no conclusive proof that he was taken out. The Killie player pulls out of tackle at last second. He doesn't follow through with his leg. This is one of these decisions that you can debate all night long. For every Celtic fan who thinks it was a penalty, there will be one who thinks it wasn't. The ref has a split second to make a decision and unless he is 100% convinced it's a peno he can't give it. Talking about Collum being made accountable is farcical when clearly there is such uncertainty over the decision three days later with he benefit of dozens of replays. This is football, Celtic only have themselves to blame for not scoring the goals to keep the treble dream alive. The players need to take responsibility for their actions or inaction in this case, instead of trying to lay the blame at the poor officials.


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  • #5257
    Brewster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    I didn't see a post about this but I think Lenny deserves great credit for the 26 game unbeaten run he oversaw. After the start to the season he had when the knives were out for him, to turn it around in such style he deserves all the plaudits. It was disappointing for the run to end in a cup final. I think with all the problems going on at Rangers, Celtic's great run has been under the radar a little.


  • #5258
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Dempsey wrote: »
    You like to get bogged down in irrelevant things.

    A tackle from behind where you get the player but none of the ball should be a penalty according to the rules of the game. Simple as. The officials got it wrong, they should be made accountable for their mistakes. You are either trolling or dont know the rules of football.

    You're the one who mentioned Nelson, how is it irrelevant when I say that the same guy said that Stokes himself was unsure about the incident ?

    Surely if Stokes wasn't sure then there's no cause to blame the referee for his decision ?


  • #5259
    PauloMN
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Brewster wrote: »
    I think with all the problems going on at Rangers, Celtic's great run has been under the radar a little.

    It hasn't been, to those that matter anyway. It's been appreciated by every single Celtic supporter out there, as will this SPL title.


  • #5260
    Brewster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Brewster wrote: »
    I think with all the problems going on at Rangers, Celtic's great run has been under the radar a little.

    It hasn't been, to those that matter anyway. It's been appreciated by every single Celtic supporter out there, as will this SPL title.

    I thought it would be appropriate to highlight the great run once again Paul.


  • #5261
    PauloMN
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Brewster wrote: »
    I thought it would be appropriate to highlight the great run once again Paul.

    Wasn't having a go mate, just pointing out that any nonsense talk of tainted titles isn't going to spoil our party in any way. :)


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  • #5262
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Brewster wrote: »
    Demps, there is no conclusive proof that he was taken out. The Killie player pulls out of tackle at last second. He doesn't follow through with his leg. This is one of these decisions that you can debate all night long. For every Celtic fan who thinks it was a penalty, there will be one who thinks it wasn't. The ref has a split second to make a decision and unless he is 100% convinced it's a peno he can't give it. Talking about Collum being made accountable is farcical when clearly there is such uncertainty over the decision three days later with he benefit of dozens of replays. This is football, Celtic only have themselves to blame for not scoring the goals to keep the treble dream alive. The players need to take responsibility for their actions or inaction in this case, instead of trying to lay the blame at the poor officials.

    Collum has a track record of being poorly positioned, making poor decisions in big matches. Its his job to make spilt second decisions in a high pressure environment, he gets nearly £1000 per game for the privilege. It is grounds for downgrading a referee in any other league and in any other sport. I find it comical that you are all jumping to his defence.

    I made no comment on its bearing on the match, I'm just sick of that useless referee getting SPL games and high profile matches. The penalty decision wasnt the only thing he got completely wrong in the final that was significant but to talk about these things would be too much for those that seem to have their own set of rules for the sport.


  • #5263
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Collum has a track record of being poorly positioned, making poor decisions in big matches. Its his job to make spilt second decisions in a high pressure environment, he gets nearly £1000 per game for the privilege. It is grounds for downgrading a referee in any other league and in any other sport. I find it comical that you are all jumping to his defence.

    I made no comment on its bearing on the match, I'm just sick of that useless referee getting SPL games and high profile matches. The penalty decision wasnt the only thing he got completely wrong in the final that was significant but to talk about these things would be too much for those that seem to have their own set of rules for the sport.

    These things even themselves out in the course of a season, right ? :D


  • #5264
    RoryMac
    Registered Users Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    These things even themselves out in the course of a season, right ? :D

    Maybe it does but we're hardly the only set of fans complaining about the standards of refereeing in the SPL. The below might ring a bell with you
    Two home games where we've been cheated, clear and simple.
    I wonder if anyone from the club will come out against this inept idiot of a ref.

    Doubt it, referees must be the only people who you can't criticise for doing a **** job, unless you want to risk facing a ban.

    We can go on another 'Old Firm' roundabout of 'you said this, we said that' if you like but it deflects attention away from the obvious problem of the poor standard of refereeing in Scotland.

    For the record, I think it would have been an very harsh penalty in the Killie game and thought Collum did quite well throughout the game but decent refereeing performances should be the norm not the exception.


  • #5265
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Not saying that at all, the standard of referees is indeed pretty bad.
    All clubs get bad decisions against them, I'm just arguing that in this specific case Collum got it right and that the whole debate about demoting him etc. is ridiculous.


  • #5266
    Lawrence1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    I would suggest to bring in a referee from a different country for a match like this one on Sunday. He might be much more impartial, much less under pressure


  • #5267
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Lars1916 wrote: »
    I would suggest to bring in a referee from a different country for a match like this one on Sunday. He might be much more impartial, much less under pressure

    During the "strike" Refs were brought in it wasn't a great success


  • #5268
    Lawrence1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    During the "strike" Refs were brought in it wasn't a great success

    I remember that from a far distance. Wasn't that a short term solution?

    On the other side, the possibility of Celtic clinching the title next Sunday is not that new, things could be planned well ahead, eg. finding a decent ref from abroad.


  • #5269
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Given earlier comments BBE and Jelle might be interested in the following tweet from Anthony Stokes:

    @stoksey10: Any1 that thinks I wud dive wen I'm 1 on 1 wit d keeper needs their head checked. So disappointed but we still have so much to play for


  • #5270
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    Given earlier comments BBE and Jelle might be interested in the following tweet from Anthony Stokes:

    @stoksey10: Any1 that thinks I wud dive wen I'm 1 on 1 wit d keeper needs their head checked. So disappointed but we still have so much to play for

    I am saying what I said because it's as clear as day he takes two steps plus if he told today was Wednesday I would be checking my calendar :p


  • #5271
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Lars1916 wrote: »
    I remember that from a far distance. Wasn't that a short term solution?

    On the other side, the possibility of Celtic clinching the title next Sunday is not that new, things could be planned well ahead, eg. finding a decent ref from abroad.

    It was planned for a while but no why should foreign refs be brought in that does not solve anything long term.
    And its by no means a certainty that Celtic will even have the opportunity to win the league on Sunday


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  • #5272
    RoryMac
    Registered Users Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Not saying that at all, the standard of referees is indeed pretty bad.
    All clubs get bad decisions against them, I'm just arguing that in this specific case Collum got it right and that the whole debate about demoting him etc. is ridiculous.

    Agreed we can't call for the end of every refs career when he makes a bad call(we'd have none left) but if nobody highlights the mistakes they do make then the SFA will continue to do nothing about improving the standard.


  • #5273
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Nobody said anything about ending a referee's career because of a bad call.


  • #5274
    Lawrence1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    It was planned for a while but no why should foreign refs be brought in that does not solve anything long term.
    And its by no means a certainty that Celtic will even have the opportunity to win the league on Sunday

    From what I heard, if Motherwell drops points on Saturday, Celtic can do it with a win ;)

    Please don't prove me wrong, I spent a week's salary in the offies yesterday to celebrate :D


  • #5275
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Lars1916 wrote: »
    From what I heard, if Motherwell drops points on Saturday, Celtic can do it with a win ;)

    Please don't prove me wrong, I spent a week's salary in the offies yesterday to celebrate :D

    IF is a big word so its by no means a certainty plus you have to beat us :p


  • #5276
    Lawrence1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    IF is a big word so its by no means a certainty plus you have to beat us :p

    The last two away wins for us happened, when I was on vacation in Germany. But I brought two six packs of German lager with me. So given that fact, there will be a tight and narrow win for the Bhoys :P


  • #5277
    RoryMac
    Registered Users Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Nobody said anything about ending a referee's career because of a bad call.

    Fair enough I overstated it but I don't think demoting refs or not allocating them games after a contentious decision in a game involving Celtic or Rangers will help the situation.

    Like so much of Scottish football it needs reforms and training put in place first so that referees can be brought up to a decent standard across the board, with proper reviews of their performances and a pool of referees who can replace the ones not deemed to be meeting the standard.


  • #5278
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Lars1916 wrote: »
    The last two away wins for us happened, when I was on vacation in Germany. But I brought two six packs of German lager with me. So given that fact, there will be a tight and narrow win for the Bhoys :P

    I live there now, hope I jinx it for you :D


  • #5279
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    RoryMac wrote: »
    Fair enough I overstated it but I don't think demoting refs or not allocating them games after a contentious decision in a game involving Celtic or Rangers will help the situation.

    Like so much of Scottish football it needs reforms and training put in place first so that referees can be brought up to a decent standard across the board, with proper reviews of their performances and a pool of referees who can replace the ones not deemed to be meeting the standard.

    Happens in other leagues regardless of whos playing. There isnt a need to reinvent the wheel about this, hit referees & linesmen in their pocket when they arent performing to the required standard and they wont be long about upping their game.


  • #5280
    RoryMac
    Registered Users Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Happens in other leagues regardless of whos playing. There isnt a need to reinvent the wheel about this, hit referees & linesmen in their pocket when they arent performing to the required standard and they wont be long about upping their game.

    I don't think it would happen in any league after a decision like the Stokes penalty shout on Sunday!


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  • #5281
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Anyone know how I can post a pic to this thread from my iPhone?


  • #5282
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    Anyone know how I can post a pic to this thread from my iPhone?

    If its a pic from the penalty incident don't bother we have all see them :p

    No idea mate


  • #5283
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,213 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    If its a pic from the penalty incident don't bother we have all see them :p

    No idea mate

    "the penalty incident", glad to see you too think it was a peno!


  • #5284
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    If its a pic from the penalty incident don't bother we have all see them :p

    No idea mate

    "the penalty incident", glad to see you too think it was a peno!
    Eh no "the penalty incident" means that there was an incident that was or was not a penalty depending on your view point ;)


  • #5285
    eire4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,767 ✭✭✭eire4


    Brewster wrote: »
    I didn't see a post about this but I think Lenny deserves great credit for the 26 game unbeaten run he oversaw. After the start to the season he had when the knives were out for him, to turn it around in such style he deserves all the plaudits. It was disappointing for the run to end in a cup final. I think with all the problems going on at Rangers, Celtic's great run has been under the radar a little.


    A good point to bring up about the brilliant run that the team has been on going largely under the radar. There will be nothing under the radar though if we can get the win on Sunday.


  • #5286
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    eire4 wrote: »
    A good point to bring up about the brilliant run that the team has been on going largely under the radar. There will be nothing under the radar though if we can get the win on Sunday.

    Except you might still have not won the league ;)


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  • #5287
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    Except you might still have not won the league ;)

    It was won before you lot entered administration


  • #5288
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Dempsey wrote: »
    It was won before you lot entered administration

    No it wasn't you lot were 4 points in front at that point I have already said you will deserve it when you do
    I just don't want it to happen at Ibrox


  • #5289
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    No it wasn't you lot were 4 points in front at that point I have already said you will deserve it when you do
    I just don't want it to happen at Ibrox

    You were singing a different tune last week to that comment


  • #5290
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Dempsey wrote: »
    You were singing a different tune last week to that comment

    If I did then I am sorry but when we went into admin you were 4 points in front I believe you would have won the league anyway but you had not won it at that point and I have also said at least twice when you do I will congratulate you


  • #5291
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    "It was won"

    **** me Dempsey - you're supposed to wait a while before rewriting history.

    While i will never turn around and agree with the "tainted" jibes, as i believe you won it of your own right - to say that it was won before the ten point deduction is, by even your own standards, utterly ludicrous.


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  • #5292
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    If I did then I am sorry but when we went into admin you were 4 points in front I believe you would have won the league anyway but you had not won it at that point and I have also said at least twice when you do I will congratulate you

    That DUTD defeat must of upset you to the point of temporary insanity.


  • #5293
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Eirebear wrote: »
    "It was won"

    **** me Dempsey - you're supposed to wait a while before rewriting history.

    While i will never turn around and agree with the "tainted" jibes, as i believe you won it of your own right - to say that it was won before the ten point deduction is, by even your own standards, utterly ludicrous.

    LOL


  • #5294
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Dempsey wrote: »
    LOL

    I entirely agree. :rolleyes:


  • #5295
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Eirebear wrote: »
    I entirely agree. :rolleyes:

    You should read the comments by TheBuilder & Broxi after the DUTD match, if my comment is utterly ludicrous, whats theirs?


  • #5296
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Dempsey wrote: »
    You should read the comments by TheBuilder & Broxi after the DUTD match, if my comment is utterly ludicrous, whats theirs?
    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    Did I miss something who said it wasn't

    Really that is pathetic of course I said that but It still wasn't won at that point


  • #5297
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    Really that is pathetic of course I said that but It still wasn't won at that point

    You were never going to win once you sold Jelavic :)

    My comments werent ever suppose to taken literally and I thought you'd remember what you said a couple of days ago. That didnt stop Eirebear using it as an excuse for a rant.


  • #5298
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Dempsey wrote: »
    You were never going to win once you sold Jelavic :)

    My comments werent ever suppose to taken literally and I thought you'd remember what you said a couple of days ago. That didnt stop Eirebear using it as an excuse for a rant.

    Ah well we are all entitled to a rant now and again we have all done it ;)


  • #5299
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    Ah well we are all entitled to a rant now and again we have all done it ;)

    Thats true :D

    Didnt expect that comment to draw the knives though! :pac:


  • #5300
    PauloMN
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Regardless of whether we mathematically win the title on Sunday or not, I guarantee the Celtic fans will be partying like they have. Can't wait to see it!


  • #5301
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Regardless of whether we mathematically win the title on Sunday or not, I guarantee the Celtic fans will be partying like they have. Can't wait to see it!
    Not if they don't win they won't and hopefully I can watch leave the stadium very depressed ;)


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