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floattuber_lee · 18-04-2014 10:39pm #1

sorry for the double up of music, just wanted to get this one put up quick!

hurler014 · 18-04-2014 11:39pm

floattuber_lee wrote: »

sorry for the double up of music, just wanted to get this one put up quick!

Well done Lee, the Clare is producing too.

Planet X · 19-04-2014 4:41pm

Cracking fish!

Joeseph Balls · 19-04-2014 5:01pm

Lovely fish. Wish they were like that where i fish...

Auldloon · 19-04-2014 9:06pm

Nice fish and imagine dragons! I'm impressed!

rpmcmurphy · 19-04-2014 9:19pm

What a fish!!!!

blasket · 20-04-2014 9:29pm

Hello Lee,
Great video, we met on the river after you caught it if you remember?
We have been back and tried your method but certainly haven't mastered it!!!, can i just ask what knot you tie a dropper on with was i right in thinking you were using froghair? is 6lbs ok? It was great to meet you as it fired us up with enthusiasm, it can get discouraging not catching and i am desperate for my young lad to catch something bigger than 6 inches!!
Tight Lines
James

floattuber_lee · 21-04-2014 1:22pm

Hey James sent you a Pm there. I have far from mastered it, still miss a lot of fish and lose fish due to been too slow on the strike!

blasket · 24-04-2014 9:02am

Just wanted to say a huge thanks to Lee. Yesterday he took my son and i fishing, showing us how he fishes the upstream nymph, he showed us his setup, where to use it and let my son use his rod with three valuable flies attached!! It is really fantastic to know there are fisherman around who are so generous with their time and knowledge, such a change from the stories of poachers , secret methods, secret spots etc. We had a great time , my son caught two with Lee i finally caught one and Lee caught a good few despite the fact he was mostly helping us. He did hook an absolute beauty, a big fat barrel of gold but it got away which only added to the excitement. Thanks Lee!!!

floattuber_lee · 24-04-2014 12:07pm

blasket wrote: »

Just wanted to say a huge thanks to Lee. Yesterday he took my son and i fishing, showing us how he fishes the upstream nymph, he showed us his setup, where to use it and let my son use his rod with three valuable flies attached!! It is really fantastic to know there are fisherman around who are so generous with their time and knowledge, such a change from the stories of poachers , secret methods, secret spots etc. We had a great time , my son caught two with Lee i finally caught one and Lee caught a good few despite the fact he was mostly helping us. He did hook an absolute beauty, a big fat barrel of gold but it got away which only added to the excitement. Thanks Lee!!!

No problem, was a great day despite the rain! Pleased Jacob got a couple would have been nice to see that bigger one! think i am over losing it.... just! any questions feel free to mail me i'll do my best to answer!

bitemybanger · 24-04-2014 2:29pm

blasket wrote: »

Just wanted to say a huge thanks to Lee. Yesterday he took my son and i fishing, showing us how he fishes the upstream nymph, he showed us his setup, where to use it and let my son use his rod with three valuable flies attached!! It is really fantastic to know there are fisherman around who are so generous with their time and knowledge, such a change from the stories of poachers , secret methods, secret spots etc. We had a great time , my son caught two with Lee i finally caught one and Lee caught a good few despite the fact he was mostly helping us. He did hook an absolute beauty, a big fat barrel of gold but it got away which only added to the excitement. Thanks Lee!!!

Reading this made my day. Great post, well done to you and the young lad. moments like that stay with you for life.
Also fair play Lee. wish there were more like you.

thefisherbuy · 24-04-2014 3:35pm

I hate upstream nymphing Nice fish tho.

floattuber_lee · 24-04-2014 6:15pm

thefisherbuy wrote: »

I hate upstream nymphing Nice fish tho.

lol why do you hate it?

thefisherbuy · 24-04-2014 6:58pm

Never Learned how to do it, I just use a dry fly, then on the dropper i use a nymph then.

floattuber_lee · 24-04-2014 7:52pm

thefisherbuy wrote: »

Never Learned how to do it, I just use a dry fly, then on the dropper i use a nymph then.

its good to have it in the arsenal! in fact its probably the best method to have! it will out fish most other methods!

thefisherbuy · 24-04-2014 10:15pm

How did you learn it?,
The only problem for me is hooking the fish while retrieving the line.. Whats your Setup? Or flies you use? could you pm me?

thanks

Bromium · 25-04-2014 11:07am

floattuber_lee wrote: »

its good to have it in the arsenal! in fact its probably the best method to have! it will out fish most other methods!

A detailed description would be great as the kinetics of the method without an indicator tend to baffle me a little i.e how to present the nymph properly and in such a fashion that the end of the fly line will detect a take. For me at least it seems a take could come and go before any contact is shown on the tip of the fly line. But this is clearly a very effective method as you have shown.

thefisherbuy · 25-04-2014 11:20am

Hi,

Could you meaby put a vid up on youtube?! showing how to upstream nymph?
thanks!

whelzer · 25-04-2014 12:16pm

floattuber_lee wrote: »

its good to have it in the arsenal! in fact its probably the best method to have! it will out fish most other methods!

Agree with this (I use a very similar method except I use Roman Moser braided connector as my indicator) , these are expensive as connectors go but are very slim and have a nice red sleeve. I give it and the last 18" of line a coat of Dilly Wax a few times throughout a session.

I read this years ago, didn't really believe at the time but do now.

You can get into an almost trance like state when upstream nymping and just sense when a take is about to or has occured. I fish some fast rivers so a drift might last just a few secs so you are casting a lot often at close range. Any non normal movement on the line/indicator is either the bottom or a fish! Often the takes are very subtle but as I said you can get this intense concentration this happening that you just become aware of it....

I have fished a few times recently with a mate from UK - he has not much fly fishing experience. We have fished side by side on a really good run taking turns to cast - he will miss take after take and not even register most until I tell him to strike. Suppose its just practise!

Oliver Edwards videos are very good for this and other nymphing techniques. There is also this book which whilst a bit dull is very good!
http://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-Nymphing-Tactics-Techniques-Around/dp/0811707415

I am hitting the Nore this weekend and hoping to use dries exclusivley, if upstream nymph is the most efficent, upstream dry is definitly the most pleasurable!!!

floattuber_lee · 25-04-2014 1:20pm

Bromium wrote: »

A detailed description would be great as the kinetics of the method without an indicator tend to baffle me a little i.e how to present the nymph properly and in such a fashion that the end of the fly line will detect a take. For me at least it seems a take could come and go before any contact is shown on the tip of the fly line. But this is clearly a very effective method as you have shown.

takes will come and go with out registering if you are not tracking the flies with the rod. there is very little fly line on the water. this should be moved slightly faster than the water to keep in touch with the flies.

Ill try and put a video together over the weekend if i get out. im not an expert still learning a lot every time i am out.

Bromium · 25-04-2014 1:55pm

floattuber_lee wrote: »

there is very little fly line on the water. this should be moved slightly faster than the water to keep in touch with the flies

This could be exactly the mistake I have been making I have been letting the nymphs dead drift in the current allowing perhaps a little too much flyline to gather in front of me before stripping in. Do you use a sinkant on your leader up to the flyline as mine seems to take an age to break the surface tension even with a sinkant but a slightly faster than flow rate retrieve may sort this issue out too.

Cheers

floattuber_lee · 25-04-2014 2:01pm

i use leader sink like a muddy paste, fullers earth is good too (i think that is what it is called). i gink the bejaysus out of my braided loop too to keep it up on the surface.

Bromium · 25-04-2014 2:11pm

floattuber_lee wrote: »

i use leader sink like a muddy paste, fullers earth is good too (i think that is what it is called). i gink the bejaysus out of my braided loop too to keep it up on the surface.

I use the Orvis mud and seems to work pretty well on tippet and lighter end of the tapered leader it just struggles a bit with heavier butt section end.

Thanks for the advice.

floattuber_lee · 25-04-2014 3:09pm

i dont use tapered leader its not necessary with upstream nymphing. i use 6lb flurocarbon straight through.

Flysfisher · 28-04-2014 6:12pm

thefisherbuy wrote: »

I hate upstream nymphing Nice fish tho.

Don't discount it it can be very effective when trout aren't on dries.
It's really very simple if you can dry fly fish properly you will have little problem mastering the nymphing.

Flysfisher · 28-04-2014 6:14pm

floattuber_lee wrote: »

i dont use tapered leader its not necessary with upstream nymphing. i use 6lb flurocarbon straight through.

That's interesting. I prefer a tapered leader myself (not the shop bought ones) you can see it on the surface (the knots help) and I find it easier to see the takes when using the leader.

Flysfisher · 28-04-2014 6:25pm

thefisherbuy wrote: »

Hi,

Could you meaby put a vid up on youtube?! showing how to upstream nymph?
thanks!

There is a lad on you tube called johnathan Barnes he has some very good videos worth looking at.

floattuber_lee · 28-04-2014 6:38pm

Flysfisher wrote: »

That's interesting. I prefer a tapered leader myself (not the shop bought ones) you can see it on the surface (the knots help) and I find it easier to see the takes when using the leader.

when i upstream nymph the flies are very heavy and pull the leader under, its only a short leader and the short casts and heavy flies means turnover is irrelevant. i have read that tying in a section of heavier brightly coloured line can be useful to help show where the flies are so you know how fast to be tracking with the rod.

Flysfisher · 28-04-2014 8:57pm

floattuber_lee wrote: »

when i upstream nymph the flies are very heavy and pull the leader under, its only a short leader and the short casts and heavy flies means turnover is irrelevant. i have read that tying in a section of heavier brightly coloured line can be useful to help show where the flies are so you know how fast to be tracking with the rod.

Oh I see it's more of a Czech nymphing style you prefer.

floattuber_lee · 28-04-2014 10:05pm

yeah but im kind of fed up reading books that say czech nymphing and they mean french style or polish style or high sticking, no 2 people seem to be calling the same style by the same name. so i refer to upstream nymphing as the act of putting nymphs upstream. i know they are all different and meant for different water types but ill be buggered if im changing my leader every five minutes as i move up 1 stream to change back again on the next. i've adapted a style that seems to work fairly well on most water. except flat still water. b using a P.T.N on the point i can fish the tail end of runs as a more traditional upstream nymph then fish the faster water by maybe changing to a heavier fly to suit rather than change the entire leader setup.

Flysfisher · 29-04-2014 4:11pm

floattuber_lee wrote: »

yeah but im kind of fed up reading books that say czech nymphing and they mean french style or polish style or high sticking, no 2 people seem to be calling the same style by the same name. so i refer to upstream nymphing as the act of putting nymphs upstream. i know they are all different and meant for different water types but ill be buggered if im changing my leader every five minutes as i move up 1 stream to change back again on the next. i've adapted a style that seems to work fairly well on most water. except flat still water. b using a P.T.N on the point i can fish the tail end of runs as a more traditional upstream nymph then fish the faster water by maybe changing to a heavier fly to suit rather than change the entire leader setup.

Yes i would broadly agree there are too many names for nymphing, we have traditional (skues, kite, sawyer, etc, etc) the yanks high sticking, indicating 'bobbers', new zealand style, then along come the Czechs, the boys in France have a go at it, now i believe the Spanish have their style too. What about irish nymphing???
I just stick to a traditional style simple but effective nymphing method never really seen the need to fix it if its not broken.

whelzer · 30-04-2014 2:04pm

Guys, the book I mentioned further up the thread details "every" type of nymphing going - they are very different. He has great sections on leader make up and very detailed photgraphs of the various nymphing styles, the water they suit, etc. The language is dull at times but I could not fault the content - I would go as far as saying the author is nymphing expert!

stylie · 30-04-2014 3:14pm

floattuber_lee wrote: »

yeah but im kind of fed up reading books that say czech nymphing and they mean french style or polish style or high sticking, no 2 people seem to be calling the same style by the same name. so i refer to upstream nymphing as the act of putting nymphs upstream. i know they are all different and meant for different water types but ill be buggered if im changing my leader every five minutes as i move up 1 stream to change back again on the next. i've adapted a style that seems to work fairly well on most water. except flat still water. b using a P.T.N on the point i can fish the tail end of runs as a more traditional upstream nymph then fish the faster water by maybe changing to a heavier fly to suit rather than change the entire leader setup.

Im fed up with the whole style nonsense that has crept it fly fishing recently. 30yrs ago my father used to fish teams of weighted nymphs on the river Lee Cork. Used a floating line or a slow sinker if the dam was generating. Fished them dead with the current, or tweaked them across the stream. If I was to do it they would call it Czech nymphing back then it was just fishing. Sometimes the heaviest fly was on the point sometimes the middle he was too scientific about it.
FFS its fishing no need to make things technical and attach stupid names to it.

Flysfisher · 30-04-2014 4:04pm

whelzer wrote: »

Guys, the book I mentioned further up the thread details "every" type of nymphing going - they are very different. He has great sections on leader make up and very detailed photgraphs of the various nymphing styles, the water they suit, etc. The language is dull at times but I could not fault the content - I would go as far as saying the author is nymphing expert!

I don't agree that they are very different. slightly different ways of casting and presentation maybe, but heavy nymphs are still heavy nymphs and trout are still trout.

Flysfisher · 30-04-2014 4:05pm

stylie wrote: »

Im fed up with the whole style nonsense that has crept it fly fishing recently. 30yrs ago my father used to fish teams of weighted nymphs on the river Lee Cork. Used a floating line or a slow sinker if the dam was generating. Fished them dead with the current, or tweaked them across the stream. If I was to do it they would call it Czech nymphing back then it was just fishing. Sometimes the heaviest fly was on the point sometimes the middle he was too scientific about it.
FFS its fishing no need to make things technical and attach stupid names to it.

you are completely correct, nonsense as right.

whelzer · 30-04-2014 4:19pm

Flysfisher wrote: »

I don't agree that they are very different. slightly different ways of casting and presentation maybe, but heavy nymphs are still heavy nymphs and trout are still trout.

Just take two methods... czech nymphing you'd use a 9 foot leader and less than 3 foot of fly line out of the rod tip, no casting (you couldn't if you tried), just a simple lob of 1-3 heavy flies upstream, french nymphing you'd use a 27-40 foot leader and no flyline with "normal" casting. For my money these methods are extremely different.

Flysfisher · 30-04-2014 9:38pm

whelzer wrote: »

Just take two methods... czech nymphing you'd use a 9 foot leader and less than 3 foot of fly line out of the rod tip, no casting (you couldn't if you tried), just a simple lob of 1-3 heavy flies upstream, french nymphing you'd use a 27-40 foot leader and no flyline with "normal" casting. For my money these methods are extremely different.

I think Your missing my point nymphs are nymphs, it's all nymph fishing! It's all to achieve the same thing.

whelzer · 01-05-2014 10:39am

Flysfisher wrote: »

I think Your missing my point nymphs are nymphs, it's all nymph fishing! It's all to achieve the same thing.

Obviousily nymphs are nymphs and the the aim is the same but the fact remains czech nymphing is very different from french nymphing, different rods, different leader/flyline requirements, different casting styles, diferrent flies, used under different circumstances/conditions. Czech suited to fast, deep, coloured water where you can get close to the fish and french for low water clear conditions when the fish spook very easily. The skills required to master each technique are very different. You could learn and master czech nymphing in a few sessions, mastering french nymphing would take a whole lot longer.

I really can not see what the issue is here - folks in different places developed different techniques to suit their water. The czechs (poles) were nymphing long before 1984 when it became known to the wider world.

This is no different to fly development - clyde style flies, used funnily enough near the Clyde, North country spiders in Yorkshire, Catskill dries and so on and so on....the same for techniques. These things are far from recent either, when WC Stewart "invented" upstream spider fishing in 1850s, he was derided, called a fool, even had a few violent confrontations...

Actually on this point, would you consider upstream wet and downstream wet fishing the same?

To go further, would you consider pike/bass fishing with fly rod and spinning rod the same - a lure is a lure?

Would you consider soccer and gaelic football the same - similar ball, same aim??:eek:

Not fly fishing but still fishing is the recent "invention"/split of LRF and HRF from what my dad would have called spinning. Again I can't see a problem here - natural human progression. Little tweaks on something that went before, given a name so we can discuss it and tweak again.

Just food for thought - I'd fish dry all the time if I could!:D

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