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Building over transport infrastructure?

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    LXFlyer
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    The issue right now is that there is a glut of office space available on the market already.


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    bk
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    lxflyer wrote: »
    The issue right now is that there is a glut of office space available on the market already.

    That might be the case at the current time, in the middle of a recession. But the overall concept is very sound in the long term.

    Ideally with public transport, you want the stations and transport hubs to be as close to the heart of the city (shopping and business districts) as possible, as this is where people want to go.

    But of course being at the heart of the city, they also represent the most valuable land.

    It makes perfect sense to make the most of this space by building the stations and transport hubs in the first few floors and then building, office space, retail shopping space, hotels and even apartments on the floors above them.

    Also by doing this, the floors above can finance the building of large modern public transport infrastructure below.


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    flyingsnail
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    Wasn’t there plans a few years ago to do something like that over Tara Street


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    hardCopy
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    Busaras has the Department of Social Protection upstairs. No point wasting footprint in the city.


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    Shedite27
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    I used to work in the Vancouver Department of Transport (Translink). They went one step further and bought up land around areas they knew they would be announcing subway stations in the next year. They then built the subway, built accomodations/offices around the stations, and made enough profit to go towards the cost of the development. They had their own Real Estate division. Still in property boom over there tho.


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    hardCopy
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    Do we have a concept of "air-rights" like they have in the States? IE could make some money by allowing construction above their tracks, if city centre land ever becomes scarce again.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/21649389-418/new-plans-for-450m-downtown-office-tower-over-railroad-tracks-on-river.html


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    circadian
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    Shedite27 wrote: »
    I used to work in the Vancouver Department of Transport (Translink). They went one step further and bought up land around areas they knew they would be announcing subway stations in the next year. They then built the subway, built accomodations/offices around the stations, and made enough profit to go towards the cost of the development. They had their own Real Estate division. Still in property boom over there tho.

    Yeah the rate an apartment block goes up is unreal. Most skytrain stations especially in Burnaby have this type of development (and Starbucks of course). It seems to work well.


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    n97 mini
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    Why just commercial? Why not residential too.


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    LXFlyer
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    There are plans to redevelop Tara Street and Connolly in Dublin, and to build a new bus station in Galway which would incorporate a bigger rail station, which all encompass fairly major property developments, but all of them have been on hold with the recession.


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    ballooba
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    hardCopy wrote: »
    Busaras has the Department of Social Protection upstairs. No point wasting footprint in the city.
    Seeing as their customer base is almost exactly the same...


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    hmmm
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    Why not just build these things underground like a lot of North American cities? Then make sure to stick them in the middle of the city where people want to go.


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    dowlingm
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    the history of CIE and property development (Kent Station, Tara Street, Treasury Holdings/Docklands) isn't cheering.

    MTR Hong Kong is one of the better known property players in the transport game.


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    KCAccidental
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    ballooba wrote: »
    Seeing as their customer base is almost exactly the same...

    charming


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    ballooba
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    KCAccidental wrote: »
    charming
    My post was in slightly bad taste. And yes, its off topic. Apologies for any offence caused.


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    Aard
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    There is an example of this in south Dublin at Balally Luas station. The station is in a cutting (like Kilmacud station just down the line), and this cutting has been turned into a type of "bowl" with commercial space at the lower levels, and then a residential building several storeys high over the tracks. It's not perfect, but it's a clever way of intensifying landuse in and over a station, while still allowing natural light and ventilation on the platforms. It's a little bit higgledy-piggledy especially considering it was built from scratch, but I think it's a good model that could be improved upon for other rail stations in the city.


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    danotroy
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    hardCopy wrote: »
    Do we have a concept of "air-rights" like they have in the States? IE could make some money by allowing construction above their tracks, if city centre land ever becomes scarce again.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/21649389-418/new-plans-for-450m-downtown-office-tower-over-railroad-tracks-on-river.html

    Here in Melbourne Metro have a huge CBD plot above their rail lines into Flinders st station. They recently held an brainstorming informal session with developers, the city and other interested parties as to the future of the site.


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    Grandeeod
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    Spencer Dock.

    The biggest example of how CIE failed to intergrate a valuable rail site with commercial development.


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    n97 mini
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    hardCopy wrote: »
    Do we have a concept of "air-rights" like they have in the States? IE could make some money by allowing construction above their tracks, if city centre land ever becomes scarce again.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/21649389-418/new-plans-for-450m-downtown-office-tower-over-railroad-tracks-on-river.html

    Manchester Arena is built over Victoria Station.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena


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